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To: vladimir998

The saints sleep. Paul made that very clear. When we die, we sleep until the rapture (first resurrection).

Anyone that you pray to you worship.

Christ gave no one the power to conjur up the dead.

Christ’s office is redeemer and priest, and he shares those with no one. (you can be glad of that, imagine hanging on the cross!)

The word is Christian, not anti-catholic. Catholics are anti-christian, or just plain numb.

Again, the saints sleep; they are not consious until they are changed, as Paul stated in his epistle to the Thessalonians.


86 posted on 04/23/2012 9:34:57 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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Anyone that you pray to you worship.
What a bizarre repudiation of the Communion of Saints. What odd sect do you adhere to? Jehovah's Witness?
87 posted on 04/23/2012 9:36:43 PM PDT by narses
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To: editor-surveyor
"Again, the saints sleep..."

So why did Jesus descend into hell? To tell the saints, "wake up and go back to sleep"?

90 posted on 04/23/2012 10:06:46 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: editor-surveyor; vladimir998; narses
"Anyone that you pray to you worship."

Ah. There’s your problem. Please understand that the Bible uses “to pray” meaning “to ask earnestly.”

Lamentations 1:18 "Hear, I pray you, all people, and behold my sorrow...”

Micah 3:1I "He said, Hear, I pray you, O heads of Jacob, and ye princes of the house of Israel...”

Genesis 50:17 “So shall you say to Joseph, Forgive, I pray you now, the trespass of your brothers...”

Numbers 16:26 "And he spake unto the congregation, saying, Depart, I pray you, from the tents of these wicked men...”

Now you can see that, Biblically, prayer does not mean worship. It only implies adoration when it is directed to God.

There is only One God. We all know that.

102 posted on 04/24/2012 7:03:33 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: editor-surveyor

You wrote:

“The saints sleep. Paul made that very clear.”

Nope.

” When we die, we sleep until the rapture (first resurrection).”

Nope. When we die, we are judged. We’re not asleep.

“Anyone that you pray to you worship.”

Nope. Learn English. To pray means to ask.

“Christ gave no one the power to conjur up the dead.”

We don’t “conjure up” anyone.

“Christ’s office is redeemer and priest, and he shares those with no one. (you can be glad of that, imagine hanging on the cross!)”

False. Christ’s three principle offices are of priest, prophet and king. He shares all three with us through baptism. Since this is orthodox theology I would not expect you to know it. Even many Protestants know this, Christopher A. Hutchinson writes about it in a little online article called, “The Gospel Displayed in the Office of Deacon” and he’s apparently PCA.

“The word is Christian, not anti-catholic. Catholics are anti-christian, or just plain numb.”

So, then PCA members are anti-Christian too? See how quickly your bad theories apparently made up out of thin air collapse?

“Again, the saints sleep;”

Nope. Jesus says they are alive with God. Jesus is right. You’re not.

“they are not consious until they are changed, as Paul stated in his epistle to the Thessalonians.”

That’s not what he says. Even Protestants generally don’t hold your view: http://www.etsjets.org/files/JETS-PDFs/22/22-4/22-4-pp345-349_JETS.pdf


118 posted on 04/24/2012 6:27:37 PM PDT by vladimir998
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