Skip to comments.ROMNEY AT LIBERTY LEADS TO ANGRY STUDENT RESPONSE [Falwell's U. issues Mitt commencement invite]
Posted on 04/22/2012 1:25:08 PM PDT by Colofornian
(CNN) Liberty University students and alumni are accusing the Christian school of violating its own teachings by asking Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, a member of the Church of...Mormons, to deliver its 2012 commencement address.
By Friday morning, more than 700 comments had been posted on the schools Facebook page about the Thursday announcement a majority of them decidedly against the Chancellor Jerry Falwell Jr.s invitation, citing that the school had taught them Mormonism isnt part of the Christian faith.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Don't scream; but teach!
ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY
1. Im Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you dont!
2. Im Superior; I have Gods true priesthood power -- you dont!
3. Im Superior; I can go in Gods secret Temple -- you cant!
4. Im Superior; Ive been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- youre just normal!
5. Im Superior; Ill have my family with me in heaven -- youll be with strangers!
6. Im Superior; Im becoming a God -- you arent!
7. Im Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours dont.
8. Im Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures).
9. Im Superior; I dont HAVE a creed - Ive got 13 Articles of Faith.
10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly.
11. Im Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. -- You cant.
12. Im Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics --
-- Youre a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian.
13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't.
14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't
15. Im Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself.
16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't.
17. Im Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you dont.
18. Im Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you dont ;so you cant.
19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't.
20. Im Superior; I will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably -- Youre on your own; when you get to wherever youre going!
21. Im Superior; Im going to hie to Kolob -- youre going to who knows where.
22. Im Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you dont.
23. Im Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple
-- You have nothing but a stupid cross.
24. Im Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty.
25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!)
26. I'm superior; I have the "higher law" -- everyone else "lives under the "lesser law' because I say so...(over and over).
Semi-Official creed of the EXclusive club of Freeper Flying Inmans.
All rights liable to be abused.
Yup; it DOES get old!!!
(How'd I do??)
Please do NOT point out to young minds that Romney is a DECEIVED member of a heretical religion.
But they sure WANT to be considered 'christian', and get all hissy on you if you say they are not!
Just LOOK at the NAME of our religious organization; The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints you bigotted HATERS!
Likewise; they do NOT say that they are HYPOCRITs; but they MUST be!!!
*The following is a letter from Elder Lance B. Wickman, General Counsel of the Church to publishers of major newspapers, TV stations and magazines. It was sent out on Tuesday, June 24, 2008.
Recent events have focused the media spotlight on a polygamous sect near San Angelo, Texas, calling itself the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. As you probably know, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has absolutely no affiliation with this polygamous sect. Decades ago, the founders of that sect rejected the doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, were excommunicated, and then started their own religion. To the best of our knowledge, no one at the Texas compound has ever been a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Unfortunately, however, some of the media coverage of the recent events in Texas has caused members of the public to confuse the doctrines and members of that group and our church. We have received numerous inquiries from confused members of the public who, by listening to less than careful media reports, have come to a grave misunderstanding about our respective doctrines and faith. Based on these media reports many have erroneously concluded that there is some affiliation between the two or even worse, that they are one and the same.
Over the years, in a careful effort to distinguish itself, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has gone to significant lengths to protect its rights in the name of the church and related matters. Specifically, we have obtained registrations for the name The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Mormon, Book of Mormon and related trade and service marks from the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office and corresponding agencies in a significant number of foreign countries.
We are confident that you are committed to avoiding misleading statements that cause unwarranted confusion and that may disparage or infringe the intellectual property rights discussed above. Accordingly, we respectfully request the following:
Stated simply, we would like to be known and recognized for whom we are and what we believe, and not be inaccurately associated with beliefs and practices that we condemn in the strongest terms. We would be grateful if you could circulate or copy this letter to your editorial staff and to your legal counsel.
We thank you for your consideration of these important matters.
Lance B. Wickman
You were in your 30's before your chosen religion's leaders decided to be nicer to blacks.
Did you agree with the church's stance before 1978??
"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.
The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.
This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."
Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.
Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.
2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'
Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'
August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:
(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)
1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,
"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."
We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.
According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.
Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:
"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.
The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."
(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).
When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:
"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."
When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."
(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)
Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.
I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.
At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parentson the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.
One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.
(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)
Temple Recommend Questions:
1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?
2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?
3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?
4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?
5 Do you live the law of chastity?
6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?
7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?
9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?
10 Are you a full-tithe payer?
11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?
12 Do you have financial or other oblgations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?
13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:
Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?
14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?
15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;
and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,
and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.
Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)
Bombastic rhetoric is no substitute for a reasoned rebuttal.
I hate everything.
Romney is anything BUT open about his beliefs. I was a mormon for over 40 years. Sacred not secret is the motto. The most esoteric beliefs are not shared with outsiders, but I’m guessing you know that.
Have you noticed how many Mormons feel free to lie when it comes down to religion. What kind of god would direct his church to lie?
Two quotations from Sea Parrot from Hoffer, posts 9 & 44...
Lu Shissler then chimes in, post #38: You are so right, Eric
And so, we have these FREEPERs reaching all the way to that long "bastion" of conservatism, San Francisco, to draw its deemed "sage" advice...yes, even sagely San Francisco longshoremen like Eric Hoffer...
Let's see...what was Hoffer's worldview of the oppressed again? Oh, yeah:
"It is doubtful if the oppressed EVER fight for freedom. They fight for pride and for power--power to oppress others. The oppressed want above all to imitate their oppressors; they want to retaliate."
Source: Eric Hoffer, The True Believer, 1951
No, the oppressed never really fight for freedom, sayz a fave authority figure of Sea Parrot (& Sea Parrot's "Amen" choir, Lu Shissler).
But, wait a minute...what if Hoffer is right? What if the "minority" religionists & minority pagans we see come into FR indeed feel "oppressed" by the majority Christian religion? What if we apply Hoffer's "authoritative" worldview to them???
Well, that would mean when Sea Parrot sayz: I get so bloody tired of this; my religion, faith and creed, is the only true religion, faith and creed and is is better than your evil stupid religion, faith and creed... (post #9) it probably means at least a feeling of religious oppression is going on here (not actual oppression, but at least a feeling of it)...SO then, per Hoffer,
"It is doubtful if the [religiously] oppressed EVER fight for freedom. They fight for pride and for power--power to oppress others. The oppressed want above all to imitate their oppressors; they want to retaliate."
So, is that it, Sea Parrot & Lu? Are you really oppressed on FR? ... And...therefore...what you're really fighting for w/your keyboard here is for "pride and for...power to oppress others"??? And for the opportunity to express that inward desire -- that <"want" -- "to retaliate"???
Has Hoffer managed to psychoanalyze you -- and you didn't even know it???
Hmmm...I guess Hoffer could be right once in a while, after all! [Tho that use of "EVER" in that quote above ... from somebody so supposedly "tuned in" to San Francisco-style tolerance, should have certainly known better to refrain from such ignorant-sounded absolutes!!!!]
I guess then by your mores, President Ronald Reagan was wrong to have awarded Eric Hoffer the Presidential Medal of Freedom award,
Uh, thanks for making ny point in more ways than one.
“And you compare that to being Catholic? Really??”
Go back to #18 and read it. The subject of the poster’s comment was the REACTION to events and made no comparison to religion whatsoever.
Are you saying that Catholicism and mormonism are the same?
I remember when Kennedy ran as president, the animosity towards him wasn’t just because he was a Catholic.
You are quite welcome.
I just LIVE to illustrate points!
And folks are definitely REACTING to the things they read here!
Then they are just another batch of Hateful BIGOTs who hate MORMONs.
--MormonDude(They should try BYU's speakers. Harry Reid got great marks for speaking there!)
for a protestant to condemn a church for not accepting blacks as equals is a perfect display of hypocrisy. Throughout most of the country, when I was a young person, blacks were not only not accepted in protestant churches, they weren't even accepted in restaurants and city busses.
Wake up and smell the roses' the Mormons handled the situation very poorly as did the MAJORITY of protestant denominations.....maybe separate, but never equal....you have a short memory
While I do not believe that religion should be a litmus test for political office, Romney has always been clear that he is a mormon, donates huge amounts of money to it, and is active in its practices. Obama, on the other hand, belongs to whatever is happening now...Christian....very doubtful, moslem...probably. Senator Reid, pretty open, senator Hatch, pretty open. We can find out via the internet what this religion professes, and none of them deny their beliefs at all.
Please show us all just WHERE in the BIBLE is such blatant racism found as is found in mormon SCRIPTURE and then we'll talk.
2 Nephi 5:21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'
Alma 3:6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'
And keeps the WOW?
Your reserved seat in heaven is 37988551-A.
Jerry Falwell's is 37988551-B.
it isn't, and that makes the hyppocrisy even more apparent. The bible teaches us to love all mankind but as I recall, that's not exactly how the mostly protestant south U.S. interpreted it. No blacks in my church, certainly no black ministers, no blacks in my restaurant, no blacks drinking out of my water fountain, no blacks useing my restroom, no blacks riding in the front of the bus, no blacks going to school with my children........yup, those Mormons are real racists....pathetic.
Unlike the BoM which is quite explicit in it's treatment of BLACKS.
It is an albatross around the neck of MORMONism that will NEVER go away.
And keeps the WOW?
I did, and my point stands. If you missed the clear implication that such a reaction to Catholicism OR Mormonism is equally outrageous, I'd suggest you have another look.
--MormonDude(They should try BYU's speakers. Harry Reid got great marks for speaking there!)"
Well, that's interesting. But it isn't an insular cult, no----no way. /s
I’m Mormon and a Christian. I believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and rely on Him for my salvation.
Sorry Dude; but there is NO evidence to back up your claim.
Give us some PROOF that you are a MORMON; as you claim.
Spout some MORMONism's; affirm what Living Prophet's® have said...
Just sign it below:
I believe in The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints as my ONLY way to enter into GOD's glory, and rely on it for my salvation knowledge.
___________________________ <--- sign here
Hi Elsie —
I have been ‘spouting’ my Mormon beliefs here for quite a while here on and off. Not sure what proof I can provide of my LDS membership, however. You may just have to go on faith that I am what I say.
>Youd think that in America we could come up with one single solitary Christian to run for president. Couldnt we find ONE???<
As a matter of fact, yes. He’s a conservative, to boot:
Ooh...large type...this is serious.
We're electing a president, not a Church official.
Now respond hysterically....
#1 Talk to WorldNetDaily about its all-cap style...I try to post threads pretty close to how they are posted elsewhere.
#2 This shows you aren't a very observant poster...since WorldNetDaily does this with all -- or about all -- of its threads...and didn't treat this story any different. See for yourself: WND
To think I actually have to spend my time commenting on your most trivial of trivial comments about what size type WND cares to utilize shows you your mind must be totally on empty today. (And hopefully it's only today...go have a cup of coffee and read & learn somethin' new)
(I see you were referencing the type @ the top of the article...not the all caps of the headline...there wasn’t room for the sub-title of the headline within the headline (too many characters)...so I simply distinguished the sub-head from the article...
Sorry, I usually don’t visit WND. Can’t go everywhere.
oh sure it will...remember, that church is only about 150 years old. Don't you think that the Catholic church (christianity) made a few changes in its first few hundred years????of course it did. While I certainly do not agree with the teachings of the Mormon religion, I can understand how they might alter their views as they grow more mature.
remember that before Brown VS board of education, separate but equal was the policy in the US education system. Remember Orville Faubus and George Wallace (both Democrats and "christian") tried to keep blacks out of schools in Alabama and Arkansas....they relented, as did the Mormons, and now the black kids can go to school in their states....isn't that wonderful??
To the BOOK?
You are thinking of MORMONism.
That a GOVERNMENTAL unit flips back and forth?
You seem mighty determined to cast the spotlight on anything other than MORMONism and it's INSTITUTIONALIZED racism.
The FACTS of which are STILL found in it's 'scripture'.
Nothing will handwave the TRUTH of the matter away.
I don't think we can ever transcend Joseph Smith or consider him to be a valued personality, but now we'll move on.I don't think you'll see that among believers in the faith, because there are too many other things that came from himthat are the reasons why we do what we do and we are what we are. That there are unanswered questions, to be sure.That there are things that I'm as anxious as the next guy to learn more detail on, I really want to know. But in the interim,it really doesn't, doesn't trouble me.We're in the religion-making business, as you intimated earlier, only for a short time, I mean, compared to theChristian church, which has been at this for a couple of millennia. We're about halfway to Nicaea.And so, and so in that sense I remember a very tender moment. I was speaking with I've been invitedto the Salt Lake Theological Seminary, basically an Evangelical seminary, to discuss a book I had done on Jesus.And they had read it, and they wanted me to come and just respond to questions.And it was, it was a very enjoyable couple of hours.The very last question that was asked by one of my friends there was this one.He said, 'Bob, what can we do for you?'And I, I wasn't ready for that question. I said, 'What do you mean?'He said, 'What can we, as Evangelicals, do for our Mormon friends?'And I, I guess my mind could have gone a hundred different ways, but what I came back with was this.I said, 'Boy, I appreciate you asking that. I don't think I've ever been asked that.'But, but I said, 'Try this. Cut us a little slack, will you? Give us a little time.We're in the religion-making business, and this takes time. It takes centuries.And, and trying to explain the faith and articulate the faith, that doesn't come over night.We've really only been about that for 20 or 30 years.'
I can't; when they've advertised that the religion has been RESTORED!!
NOTHING would change!
That there HAVE been changes PROVES it's initial claims to be FALSE.
How abot EXPEDIANT, instead?
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