ROMNEY AT LIBERTY LEADS TO ANGRY STUDENT RESPONSE [Falwell's U. issues Mitt commencement invite]

WorldNetDaily/CNN ^ | April 21, 2012

[Colofornian]

'University should have gotten a Christian to speak not someone who practices a cult'

(CNN) Liberty University students and alumni are accusing the Christian school of violating its own teachings by asking Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, a member of the Church of...Mormons, to deliver its 2012 commencement address.

By Friday morning, more than 700 comments had been posted on the school’s Facebook page about the Thursday announcement – a majority of them decidedly against the Chancellor Jerry Falwell Jr.’s invitation, citing that the school had taught them Mormonism isn’t part of the Christian faith.

[Elsie]

... I could scream.

Don't scream; but teach!

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Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

 

 

Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.

 

 

1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.

 

 

1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.

 

 

Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.

 

 

2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

 

 

2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.

 

 

1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.

 

 

1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.

 

 

1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.

 

 

1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

 

 

1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.

 

 

1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.

 

 

1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

 

 

2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.

 

 

 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.

 

 

2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

 

 

 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

 

 

Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.

 

 

Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.

 

 

Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

 

 

 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.

 

 

 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

 

 

2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.

[Elsie]

 

MORMON

ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY

 

  1. I’m Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you don’t!
  2. I’m Superior; I have God’s true priesthood power -- you don’t!
  3. I’m Superior; I can go in God’s secret Temple -- you can’t!
  4. I’m Superior; I’ve been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- you’re just normal!
  5. I’m Superior; I’ll have my family with me in heaven -- you’ll be with strangers!
  6. I’m Superior; I’m becoming a God -- you aren’t!
  7. I’m Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours don’t.
  8. I’m Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures).
  9. I’m Superior; I don’t HAVE a creed - I’ve got 13 Articles of Faith.
10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly.
11. I’m Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. —                           -- You can’t.
12. I’m Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics -- 

                           -- You’re a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian.
13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't.
14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't
15. I’m Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself.
16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't.
17. I’m Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you don’t.
18. I’m Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you don’t ;so you can’t.
19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't.
20. I’m Superior; I will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably                              -- You’re on your own; when you get to wherever you’re going!
21. I’m Superior; I’m going to hie to Kolob -- you’re going to who knows where.
22. I’m Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you don’t.
23. I’m Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple

                            -- You have nothing but a stupid cross.
24. I’m Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty.
25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy  (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!)

26.  I'm superior; I have the "higher law" -- everyone else "lives under the "lesser law' because I say so...(over and over).

 

 

Revision 46.5

Semi-Official creed of the EXclusive club of Freeper Flying Inmans.

All rights liable to be abused.

[Elsie]

I get so bloody tired of this; my religion, faith and creed, is the only true religion, faith and creed and is is better than your evil stupid religion, faith and creed...

Yup; it DOES get old!!!

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[Elsie]

I'm not holding my breath waiting for the bigots to respond to that little piece of information!

(How'd I do??)

[Elsie]

Let’s leave it to the left to do these charades.

Please do NOT point out to young minds that Romney is a DECEIVED member of a heretical religion.

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Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

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Timeline...    Subject...

 

0:59           "Anti-Mormons..."

1:16           "ATTACK the faith you have..."

2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."

3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."

[Elsie]

The problem with Mormonism is that it is NOT CHRISTIAN...

But they sure WANT to be considered 'christian', and get all hissy on you if you say they are not!

Just LOOK at the NAME of our religious organization; The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints you bigotted HATERS!

[Elsie]

But they say they are, so they must be! /s

Likewise; they do NOT say that they are HYPOCRITs; but they MUST be!!!

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Media Letter   

26 June 2008 — Salt Lake City  (http://newsroom.lds.org/additional-resource/media-letter)

*The following is a letter from Elder Lance B. Wickman, General Counsel of the Church to publishers of major newspapers, TV stations and magazines. It was sent out on Tuesday, June 24, 2008.

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Recent events have focused the media spotlight on a polygamous sect near San Angelo, Texas, calling itself the “Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.” As you probably know, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has absolutely no affiliation with this polygamous sect. Decades ago, the founders of that sect rejected the doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, were excommunicated, and then started their own religion. To the best of our knowledge, no one at the Texas compound has ever been a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Unfortunately, however, some of the media coverage of the recent events in Texas has caused members of the public to confuse the doctrines and members of that group and our church. We have received numerous inquiries from confused members of the public who, by listening to less than careful media reports, have come to a grave misunderstanding about our respective doctrines and faith. Based on these media reports many have erroneously concluded that there is some affiliation between the two – or even worse, that they are one and the same.

Over the years, in a careful effort to distinguish itself, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has gone to significant lengths to protect its rights in the name of the church and related matters. Specifically, we have obtained registrations for the name “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,” “Mormon,” “Book of Mormon” and related trade and service marks from the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office and corresponding agencies in a significant number of foreign countries.

We are confident that you are committed to avoiding misleading statements that cause unwarranted confusion and that may disparage or infringe the intellectual property rights discussed above. Accordingly, we respectfully request the following:

1. As reflected in the AP Style Guide, we ask that you and your organization refrain from referring to members of that polygamous sect as “fundamentalist Mormons” or “fundamentalist” members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
2. We ask that, when reporting about this Texas-based polygamous sect or any other polygamous group, you avoid either explicitly or implicitly any inference that these groups are affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
3. On those occasions when it may be necessary in your reporting to refer to the historical practice of plural marriage in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, that you make very clear that the Church does not condone the practice of polygamy and that it has been forbidden in the Church for over one hundred years. Moreover, we absolutely condemn arranged or forced “marriages” of underage girls to anyone under any circumstances.

Stated simply, we would like to be known and recognized for whom we are and what we believe, and not be inaccurately associated with beliefs and practices that we condemn in the strongest terms. We would be grateful if you could circulate or copy this letter to your editorial staff and to your legal counsel.

We thank you for your consideration of these important matters.

Sincerely,

Lance B. Wickman

General Counsel

[Elsie]

...Romney is open and above board with his beliefs...

Yeah...

Sure...

You were in your 30's before your chosen religion's leaders decided to be nicer to blacks.

Did you agree with the church's stance before 1978??

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"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.

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Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'

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August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)

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1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."

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We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.

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Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).

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When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."

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When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)

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Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

 

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

 

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

 

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[Elsie]

The uncompromising attitude is more indicative of an inner uncertainty than of deep conviction.

 

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"Any Latter-day Saint who denounces or opposes, whether actively or otherwise, any plan or doctrine advocated by the 'prophets, seers, and revelators' of the Church is cultivating the spirit of apostacy..."

(Improvement Era, June 1945, p. 354)

 

 

 

Reinforced here......

 

MP3 File

This is the audio clip of Dallin H. Oaks, current Mormon Apostle leader, from the PBS documentary, "The Mormons", declaring unequivocally:

"IT'S WRONG TO CRITICIZE LEADERS OF THE (MORMON) CHURCH, EVEN IF THE CRITICISM IS TRUE."

 

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Don't criticize?

 

Dallin H. Oaks, Mormon Apostle 

 

 

 

And here:

 

Temple Recommend Questions:

 1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

 2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

 3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

 4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

 5 Do you live the law of chastity?

 6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

 7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

 8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

 9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other oblgations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

     Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?

     Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

 

 

 

 

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Oh, they can say that their leaders were NOT speaking for GOD when they said    WHATEVER    but that's NOT the same as criticizing!

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( Remember fellow Christians:  the Mormon's criticize US because they've been taught that they CAN'T criticize ANY of their leaders; so they HAVE to vent somehow! )

[Elsie]

Bombastic rhetoric is no substitute for a reasoned rebuttal.

"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

[Elsie]

...Based upon some apparent self-claim to a higher moral ground ...

Bombastic rhetoric is no substitute for a reasoned rebuttal.

[Lazamataz]

I hate everything.

[colorcountry]

Romney is anything BUT open about his beliefs. I was a mormon for over 40 years. Sacred not secret is the motto. The most esoteric beliefs are not shared with outsiders, but I’m guessing you know that.

Have you noticed how many Mormons feel free to lie when it comes down to religion. What kind of god would direct his church to lie?

[Colofornian]

Eric Hoffer

Two quotations from Sea Parrot from Hoffer, posts 9 & 44...

Lu Shissler then chimes in, post #38: You are so right, Eric

And so, we have these FREEPERs reaching all the way to that long "bastion" of conservatism, San Francisco, to draw its deemed "sage" advice...yes, even sagely San Francisco longshoremen like Eric Hoffer...

Let's see...what was Hoffer's worldview of the oppressed again? Oh, yeah:
"It is doubtful if the oppressed EVER fight for freedom. They fight for pride and for power--power to oppress others. The oppressed want above all to imitate their oppressors; they want to retaliate."

Source: Eric Hoffer, The True Believer, 1951

No, the oppressed never really fight for freedom, sayz a fave authority figure of Sea Parrot (& Sea Parrot's "Amen" choir, Lu Shissler).

But, wait a minute...what if Hoffer is right? What if the "minority" religionists & minority pagans we see come into FR indeed feel "oppressed" by the majority Christian religion? What if we apply Hoffer's "authoritative" worldview to them???

Well, that would mean when Sea Parrot sayz: I get so bloody tired of this; my religion, faith and creed, is the only true religion, faith and creed and is is better than your evil stupid religion, faith and creed... (post #9) it probably means at least a feeling of religious oppression is going on here (not actual oppression, but at least a feeling of it)...SO then, per Hoffer,

"It is doubtful if the [religiously] oppressed EVER fight for freedom. They fight for pride and for power--power to oppress others. The oppressed want above all to imitate their oppressors; they want to retaliate."

So, is that it, Sea Parrot & Lu? Are you really oppressed on FR? ... And...therefore...what you're really fighting for w/your keyboard here is for "pride and for...power to oppress others"??? And for the opportunity to express that inward desire -- that <"want" -- "to retaliate"???

Has Hoffer managed to psychoanalyze you -- and you didn't even know it???

Hmmm...I guess Hoffer could be right once in a while, after all! [Tho that use of "EVER" in that quote above ... from somebody so supposedly "tuned in" to San Francisco-style tolerance, should have certainly known better to refrain from such ignorant-sounded absolutes!!!!]

[Elsie]

bttt

[Elsie]

[Sea Parrot]

AS stated to you prior, voluminous bombastic rhetoric does not suffice for reason.

I guess then by your mores, President Ronald Reagan was wrong to have awarded Eric Hoffer the Presidential Medal of Freedom award,

[Sea Parrot]

Uh, thanks for making ny point in more ways than one.

[EDINVA]

“And you compare that to being Catholic? Really??”

Go back to #18 and read it. The subject of the poster’s comment was the REACTION to events and made no comparison to religion whatsoever.

[svcw]

Are you saying that Catholicism and mormonism are the same?
I remember when Kennedy ran as president, the animosity towards him wasn’t just because he was a Catholic.

[Elsie]

You are quite welcome.

I just LIVE to illustrate points!

[Elsie]

The subject of the poster’s comment was the REACTION to events...

And folks are definitely REACTING to the things they read here!

[Elsie]

They don’t want an abortion-enabling, homosexual-loving liberal as their commencement speaker.

Then they are just another batch of Hateful BIGOTs who hate MORMONs.

--MormonDude(They should try BYU's speakers. Harry Reid got great marks for speaking there!)

Greenstreet, Steven (October 10, 2007). "Reid gets warm reception at BYU". Deseret Morning News. http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695217316,00.html. Retrieved 2007-12-27.

[terycarl]

You were in your 30's before your chosen religion's leaders decided to be nicer to blacks.

for a protestant to condemn a church for not accepting blacks as equals is a perfect display of hypocrisy. Throughout most of the country, when I was a young person, blacks were not only not accepted in protestant churches, they weren't even accepted in restaurants and city busses.

Wake up and smell the roses' the Mormons handled the situation very poorly as did the MAJORITY of protestant denominations.....maybe separate, but never equal....you have a short memory

[terycarl]

Romney is anything BUT open about his beliefs. I was a mormon for over 40 years. Sacred not secret is the motto. The most esoteric beliefs are not shared with outsiders, but I’m guessing you know that.

While I do not believe that religion should be a litmus test for political office, Romney has always been clear that he is a mormon, donates huge amounts of money to it, and is active in its practices. Obama, on the other hand, belongs to whatever is happening now...Christian....very doubtful, moslem...probably. Senator Reid, pretty open, senator Hatch, pretty open. We can find out via the internet what this religion professes, and none of them deny their beliefs at all.

[Elsie]

for a protestant to condemn a church for not accepting blacks as equals is a perfect display of hypocrisy.

Oh??

Please show us all just WHERE in the BIBLE is such blatant racism found as is found in mormon SCRIPTURE and then we'll talk.

---

2 Nephi 5:21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3:6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'

[Elsie]

...and is active in its practices.

And keeps the WOW?

[MARTIAL MONK]

I peeked.

Good news:

Your reserved seat in heaven is 37988551-A.

For eternity.

Bad news:

Jerry Falwell's is 37988551-B.

For eternity.

[terycarl]

Please show us all just WHERE in the BIBLE is such blatant racism found as is found in mormon SCRIPTURE and then we'll talk.

it isn't, and that makes the hyppocrisy even more apparent. The bible teaches us to love all mankind but as I recall, that's not exactly how the mostly protestant south U.S. interpreted it. No blacks in my church, certainly no black ministers, no blacks in my restaurant, no blacks drinking out of my water fountain, no blacks useing my restroom, no blacks riding in the front of the bus, no blacks going to school with my children........yup, those Mormons are real racists....pathetic.

[Elsie]

The bible teaches us to love all mankind but as I recall, that's not exactly how the mostly protestant south U.S. interpreted it.

Unlike the BoM which is quite explicit in it's treatment of BLACKS.

It is an albatross around the neck of MORMONism that will NEVER go away.

[Elsie]

...and is active in its practices.

And keeps the WOW?

[CatherineofAragon]

"Go back to #18 and read it. The subject of the poster’s comment was the REACTION to events and made no comparison to religion whatsoever."

I did, and my point stands. If you missed the clear implication that such a reaction to Catholicism OR Mormonism is equally outrageous, I'd suggest you have another look.

[CatherineofAragon]

"Then they are just another batch of Hateful BIGOTs who hate MORMONs.

--MormonDude(They should try BYU's speakers. Harry Reid got great marks for speaking there!)"

Well, that's interesting. But it isn't an insular cult, no----no way. /s

[Normandy]

I’m Mormon and a Christian. I believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and rely on Him for my salvation.

[Elsie]

I’m Mormon and a Christian.

Sorry Dude; but there is NO evidence to back up your claim.

Give us some PROOF that you are a MORMON; as you claim.

Spout some MORMONism's; affirm what Living Prophet's® have said...

ANYthing, man!!

[Elsie]

I believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and rely on Him for my salvation.

Just sign it below:

I believe in The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints as my ONLY way to enter into GOD's glory, and rely on it for my salvation knowledge.

___________________________ <--- sign here

[Normandy]

Hi Elsie —

I have been ‘spouting’ my Mormon beliefs here for quite a while here on and off. Not sure what proof I can provide of my LDS membership, however. You may just have to go on faith that I am what I say.

Best,

Normandy

[Darnright]

>You’d think that in America we could come up with one single solitary Christian to run for president. Couldn’t we find ONE???<

As a matter of fact, yes. He’s a conservative, to boot:

http://www.goodeforpresident2012.com/

[GSWarrior]

Ooh...large type...this is serious.

[GSWarrior]

In response to your post 17, I don't care if the President worships Ronald McDonald-- as long as he upholds the Constitution, and promotes liberty, peace and prosperity.

We're electing a president, not a Church official.

Now respond hysterically....

[Colofornian]

Ooh...large type...this is serious.

#1 Talk to WorldNetDaily about its all-cap style...I try to post threads pretty close to how they are posted elsewhere.

#2 This shows you aren't a very observant poster...since WorldNetDaily does this with all -- or about all -- of its threads...and didn't treat this story any different. See for yourself: WND

To think I actually have to spend my time commenting on your most trivial of trivial comments about what size type WND cares to utilize shows you your mind must be totally on empty today. (And hopefully it's only today...go have a cup of coffee and read & learn somethin' new)

[Colofornian]

(I see you were referencing the type @ the top of the article...not the all caps of the headline...there wasn’t room for the sub-title of the headline within the headline (too many characters)...so I simply distinguished the sub-head from the article...

[GSWarrior]

Sorry, I usually don’t visit WND. Can’t go everywhere.

[terycarl]

Unlike the BoM which is quite explicit in it's treatment of BLACKS. It is an albatross around the neck of MORMONism that will NEVER go away.

oh sure it will...remember, that church is only about 150 years old. Don't you think that the Catholic church (christianity) made a few changes in its first few hundred years????of course it did. While I certainly do not agree with the teachings of the Mormon religion, I can understand how they might alter their views as they grow more mature.

remember that before Brown VS board of education, separate but equal was the policy in the US education system. Remember Orville Faubus and George Wallace (both Democrats and "christian") tried to keep blacks out of schools in Alabama and Arkansas....they relented, as did the Mormons, and now the black kids can go to school in their states....isn't that wonderful??

[Elsie]

Don't you think that the Catholic church (christianity) made a few changes in its first few hundred years????

To the BOOK?

You are thinking of MORMONism.

[Elsie]

....isn't that wonderful??

What?

That a GOVERNMENTAL unit flips back and forth?

You seem mighty determined to cast the spotlight on anything other than MORMONism and it's INSTITUTIONALIZED racism.

The FACTS of which are STILL found in it's 'scripture'.

Nothing will handwave the TRUTH of the matter away.

[Elsie]

http://www.mrm.org/white-and-delightsome

[Elsie]

remember, that church is only about 150 years old.

---

Mr. Millet:

 

I don't think we can ever transcend Joseph Smith or consider him to be a valued personality, but now we'll move on.

I don't think you'll see that among believers in the faith, because there are too many other things that came from him

that are the reasons why we do what we do and we are what we are. That there are unanswered questions, to be sure.

That there are things that I'm as anxious as the next guy to learn more detail on, I really want to know. But in the interim,

 it really doesn't, doesn't trouble me.

We're in the religion-making business, as you intimated earlier, only for a short time, I mean, compared to the

Christian church, which has been at this for a couple of millennia. We're about halfway to Nicaea.

And so, and so in that sense — I remember a very tender moment. I was speaking with — I've been invited

to the Salt Lake Theological Seminary, basically an Evangelical seminary, to discuss a book I had done on Jesus.

And they had read it, and they wanted me to come and just respond to questions.

And it was, it was a very enjoyable couple of hours.

 

The very last question that was asked by one of my friends there was this one.

 

He said, 'Bob, what can we do for you?'

 

And I, I wasn't ready for that question. I said, 'What do you mean?'

 

He said, 'What can we, as Evangelicals, do for our Mormon friends?'

 

And I, I guess my mind could have gone a hundred different ways, but what I came back with was this.

 

I said, 'Boy, I appreciate you asking that. I don't think I've ever been asked that.'

 

But, but I said, 'Try this. Cut us a little slack, will you? Give us a little time.

We're in the religion-making business, and this takes time. It takes centuries.

 

And, and trying to explain the faith and articulate the faith, that doesn't come over night.

We've really only been about that for 20 or 30 years.'

 

 

http://being.publicradio.org/programs/insidemormonfaith/transcript.shtml

[Elsie]

While I certainly do not agree with the teachings of the Mormon religion, I can understand how they might alter their views as they grow more mature.

I can't; when they've advertised that the religion has been RESTORED!!

NOTHING would change!

That there HAVE been changes PROVES it's initial claims to be FALSE.

[Elsie]

... how they might alter their views as they grow more mature.

MATURE?

How abot EXPEDIANT, instead?