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Female Episcopal Priest Visits a Mormon Temple
The Mormon Dialogue ^ | April 23,,2012 | Danielle Tumminio

Posted on 04/24/2012 1:28:27 PM PDT by Jeff Head

As I stood in front of the new Mormon Temple in Liberty, Mo., it struck me as ironic that close to 175 years ago, Mormons were forced out of this same state.

Whereas the Missouri public once urged their governor to force Joseph Smith and his followers out of the area surrounding Kansas City, Mormons began to return to the region in the 1900s, eventually gathering in such large numbers that the Church organization decided the region needed a temple.

Which is why I came to visit.

Latter Day Saints restrict temple access to members of their denomination who have proven themselves to be faithful and dedicated adherents. Because Mormons believe temples are the most sacred places on earth, one needs to be prepared to enter them by being an active member of the Church. (In contrast, chapels, where Mormons hold Sunday worship, are open to everyone. Temples are used only for certain rituals and are not open on Sunday so that Mormons can be at their chapel services.)

When a new temple is built, anyone may enter prior to its dedication. So, always curious to learn about the faith of others, I didn't want to miss an opportunity to see a site normally closed off to an Episcopal priest like myself.

My visit seemed all the more timely because Mormons have been in the news a lot lately, and so have their temples. Elizabeth Smart recently married her husband in a temple in Hawaii during a ceremony called a sealing, in which the couple and close Mormon friends and family gather together to witness God joining the couple together for time and all eternity. In less complimentary news, Elie Wiesel took Mitt Romney to task for his faith's practice of baptisms of the dead, which also take places within temple walls.

These headlines, in addition to my own curiosity, motivated my visit to the new temple in Kansas City, and with my curiosity came some questions:

What does a Mormon temple look like, and what happens inside it?

Would I feel God's presence in this space, even though it's not a space that's sacred for me?

Before I go any further -- and because I know it's the question at the front of your mind, dear reader -- no one tried to convert me. In fact, everyone was very welcoming. Members volunteered en masse, clad in pressed suits and dresses. They offered guided tours, bent down to put protective boots onto my feet so my shoes wouldn't dirty the carpeting, and offered me a chewy snickerdoodle at the end of the tour. They showed me every space from changing rooms to sealing rooms where marriages take place and answered every question I asked, no matter how challenging or controversial.

And in the end, yes, I did have a God moment.

But I'm getting ahead of myself.

Mormons go to temples to be close to God. Much like the ancient Jewish people believed God lived at the heart of the temple in Jerusalem, Mormons believe that followers can meet God most intimately in the temple. The reasons they visit temples vary: In addition to having their marriages sealed in the temple, Mormons also have sealing ceremonies that unite parents and children for time and all eternity. Others come to participate in baptisms of the dead, which are intended to be used only for deceased family members of active Mormons, though the Church acknowledged in the wake of Elie Wiesel's comments that others -- such as Anne Frank -- have had baptisms performed on their behalf. These baptisms are not intended to convert the deceased but rather to give them a choice in the afterlife to embrace the revelation of Mormonism: Assuming an afterlife exists, the baptized deceased are free to say yes or no as they please. Finally, Mormons come to the temple to receive their endowment, a ritual ceremony where followers make promises to God and receive knowledge about God.

Unlike a cathedral, which is primarily composed of one large worship space, a Mormon temple has a variety of smaller rooms that serve different purposes. There are sealing rooms and rooms for men and women to change into white clothes (every male or female Mormon who enters a dedicated temple wears the same white clothing) and instruction rooms where individuals learn about God in preparation for receiving their endowments.

It was in these rooms, and the final Celestial Room, where I caught a glimpse of God.

You see, as part of our final stop on the tour, our guide took us to a room with a mural of the Missouri countryside painted by a local artist. The room had earthy colors, browns and greens and rows of cushioned seats. This was the first instruction room. From there, we took a step up -- as if ascending closer to heaven -- and entered a second room, similar to the first in shape and size but all white. This was the second instruction room. When we left that room, we took another step up and entered the Celestial Room, a space designed to give those who sit in it a foretaste of heaven.

It was a simple room yet ornate at the same time, all white with sparkling crystal chandeliers, large mirrors, and plump sofas and chairs reminiscent of those that must have existed in Joseph Smith's day. Our guide asked us to be silent and said we were welcome to sit wherever we liked and take a moment to pray. So I sat down on a sofa that seemed to envelop me, folded my hands on my lap and closed my eyes.

Like Dante, who saw God face to face but had no words to describe the encounter, I have few words to describe what I felt in that moment. But I can say this: While it did not convert me, nor did it make me want to be a Mormon, the silence and peace I felt reminded me of the many other times I've felt close to God, whether in an Episcopal cathedral, in a clear, warm ocean or in my ratty old car. And because of that, I came to understand why temples exist and why they are so important to Mormons across the world.

And along the lines of Mormons being across the world: As I wrote earlier, Mormons were ironically driven out of Liberty, Missouri and the surrounding region nearly 175 years ago. It cannot be lost on those who visit the new temple that almost two centuries later, Mormons are often still held in suspicion by society, but they are far from being as vulnerable as they were in their early years. They are building stronger foundations every day, and striving, as they do so, to catch a glimpse of heaven.


TOPICS: Ecumenism; Other Christian; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: ecusa; femalebishop; lds; ldstemples; mormon; mormonhatersclub; mormonpropaganda; openhouse; religiousleft; wehatemormons
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To: Jeff Head
If you like Jeff's reasonings; then THIS is the man to follow; Robert Millet; MORMON and Professor, Apologist.
 
 
I feel like I have a sense of responsibility to be as, as gentle and kind and, in my case, Christian as possible. It's, to me, if you're, if you want to talk about Christianity or what it stands for, you have to look carefully at what it produces in people. My religion, for me, not only sets forth my theology, but it sets forth my practical, daily living in terms of how I treat other people and how I come to love them. And whether they feel the same way about ultimate and eternal things that I do or not.
 
 
 
http://being.publicradio.org/programs/insidemormonfaith/transcript.shtml

81 posted on 04/24/2012 6:55:50 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Jeff Head
I joked with him and indicated that I bet he had never given communion to a High Priset in the Mormon Church before, but that I knew we worshiped the same Savior and was happy to rejoice together with him in those sentiments.

I'll bet thaat HE 'knew' differently!

82 posted on 04/24/2012 6:58:18 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: svcw

“So one has to wonder why lds, have such reverence for their carpet.”

I guess those gentiles are just like an infectious disease.


83 posted on 04/24/2012 6:59:15 PM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: Utah Girl
I look forward to the Brigham City temple open house in August.

While I look forward to the Carmel, Indiana one.

Guess what I'LL be praying as I walk through it!

84 posted on 04/24/2012 6:59:58 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Utah Girl
It saves wear and tear on the carpet.

Ha ha!

Buy better carpet!

85 posted on 04/24/2012 7:00:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Utah Girl
It saves wear and tear on the carpet.

Do the Faithful wear booties AFTER the open house?

86 posted on 04/24/2012 7:01:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Utah Binger
Plus had some true believers from Colorado City...

You mean TRUE mormons?

Ones that actually FOLLOW MORMON scripture found in D&C 132; unlike the spineless weasels that attend the SLC based LDS church?

87 posted on 04/24/2012 7:04:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Utah Binger
the spineless weasels that attend the SLC based LDS church?

Elsie, elsie, ELSIE!!

WHY are you so danged HARSH to those folks?


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

88 posted on 04/24/2012 7:06:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
When I ever I think of mohamedism or mormonism (same thing) I think of George Orwell's "Animal Farm."

I picture the Lord's Holy Word and Mad Mo and Joe Smith sitting thee with whiteout and crayons......

No animal shall sleep in a bed with sheets

Thou shalt not kill unless they are unbelievers, then bag your fill

In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead so you just need to ask yourself if you are worthy, and then you'll have faith you are and did a good deed by proclaiming it so.

You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. because with my new easy bake mormon, you can become a god yourself on planet Xlingon-7 and chose whether or not to bring your wife through the veil.

--I dunno, it's either that;

A child's religion where you don't know all the rules so you make them up as you go;

or the devil trying to deceive many into following him to hell.

89 posted on 04/24/2012 7:06:34 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: Utah Binger
...spray about five acres ...

WHAT?

Don't you have a spray setup for the orange beast?

90 posted on 04/24/2012 7:07:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Brigham Young

1 wife 49 mistresses 80 children

Hardly an example of virtue and “worthiness”

**********************

Hardly an example of virility either. That is pretty low yield, IMO.


91 posted on 04/24/2012 7:07:56 PM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: Jeff Head
I talked with our paster oand others and ultimately prayed to God in Heaven in the name of Christ if the message, the Book of Moromon and other issues were true.

???

92 posted on 04/24/2012 7:09:12 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Jeff Head
The Southern Baptists Convention at the time was changing...indicating that Baptism was no longer required...at least it was filtering down to us at that time.

WHAT??

93 posted on 04/24/2012 7:09:57 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Tennessee Nana
The LORD Jesus Christ said to Jeff, “I AM the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man or woman comes to the Father except by Me.” John 14.6

Surely you've not PRAYED enough!!


 

"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."
 - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321
 
 
"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."
- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88
 
 
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
 
 
There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
 
 
"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."
 - Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
 
 
 
"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"
 - Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670
 


They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.
He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.
He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.
As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.
Who has made this so?
Have I?
Have this people?
Have the world?
No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.
If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.
If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.
Can you pass without his inspection?
No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.
In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.
They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?
They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
 Brigham Young,

--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224

94 posted on 04/24/2012 7:11:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Jeff Head
Each church or denomination makes it's own policies about use of church for weddings and who can and can not marry inside the church. A Catholic Priest for example as I understand it can only marry Catholics. A Baptist preacher generally insist on some basic pre-marriage counseling with the couple. I found out as much when I asked my cousin {a Priest} to officiate my first marriage. He couldn't because we were not Catholics. However when my first wife died he did her funeral service at my request.

My second marriage took place in a Catholic Chapel of a hospital. Again we are Baptist. Our preacher officiated with several Nuns and a Priest Chaplain as guest. Yes even though it was a second marriage for both of us and our preacher knew us he still did pre marriage counseling LOL.

In all seriousness though Biblical marriage in a church or otherwise is a man and a woman standing before GOD giving their vows to each other before Him and commitment before Him united through Him.

95 posted on 04/24/2012 7:11:56 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe
Each church or denomination makes it's own policies about use of church for weddings and who can and can not marry inside the church.

But; those churches do NOT have a 'requirement' on who can ATTEND a wedding in their buildings!

98 posted on 04/24/2012 7:20:10 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: cva66snipe
...those churches do NOT have a 'requirement' on who can ATTEND a wedding in their buildings!

Weddings and funerals get the most UNBELIEVERS into church.

I've been to both where there were ALTAR calls after/during the ceremonies!

No church (in it's right mind) would exclude any unbeliever from attending any service on it's grounds!

99 posted on 04/24/2012 7:22:38 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: vladimir998

WHITE CARPETS ???

Boy do they have a problem...

and here I was thinking the carpets were red...


100 posted on 04/24/2012 7:36:17 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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