Skip to comments.Teacher Claims Catholic School Fired Her Over IVF
Posted on 04/26/2012 8:35:52 AM PDT by Abathar
FORT WAYNE, Ind. -- A Fort Wayne teacher who claims she was fired from a Roman Catholic school for using in vitro fertilization to try to get pregnant is suing in a case that could set up a legal showdown over reproductive and religious rights.
Emily Herx's lawsuit accuses the Diocese of Fort Wayne-South Bend and St. Vincent de Paul School in Fort Wayne of discrimination for her firing last June.
Herx, 31, of Hoagland, Ind., said that the church pastor told her she was a "grave, immoral sinner" and that a scandal would erupt if anyone learned she had undergone in vitro fertilization, or IVF.
The Roman Catholic Church shuns IVF, which involves mixing egg and sperm in a laboratory dish and transferring a resulting embryo into the womb. Herx said she was fired despite exemplary performance reviews in her eight years as a language arts teacher.
Legal experts said Herx's case illustrates a murky area in the debate over separation of church and state that even the U.S. Supreme Court has failed to clearly address.
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“But, IVF does exactly the opposite, it enables life where the mother may, through no fault of her own, be unable to conceive.
Does the catholic church frown on this...”
The embryo is a living being. All well and good. The problem comes eggs are harvest and fertilized. Those embryos are discarded or frozen. The best are cherry-picked.
All life is sacred. Not just the ones you choose or want.
Yeah, I’m with you—I don’t understand this one at all.
But God didn’t really deny her the ability to have a child, did He?
Barring force or fraud, you're absolutely correct.
That's why Islam is not a 1st Amendment religion, however - it refuses to remove its force or fraud.
Interestingly, the Catholic Church has just as bloody a history as Islam. But the RCC is based ont he teaching of Jesus, which overcame its internal corruptiona and forced it (at least nominally) to drop the barbarism. And one of the was Jesus did this is through the rise of Protestantism, to provide a counterforce to challenge church corruption.
But how can such a counter-force arise in Islam, when Mohammed's own life and teachings read like some sort of pornographic chainsaw massacre? There have been genuine Muslim saints throughout history (and of course the beautiful offshoot of Sufism), but they were all put to the sword, driven out and marginalized. Most people can't even believe there were any Muslim saints at all - but why wouldn't God try to save Muslims, too?
I guess I got somewhat off track, LOL. Anyway, the whole idea of a "1st Amendment Religion" needs to be considered very carefully, rather than some undiscriminated idea of religion as "anything." Because the Muslims are infiltrating this country - and look around, ALL countries - under the guise of a religion, but actually as declared enemies of the whole world. And once in, they're getting into the political structure as well. So let's see, Muslim politicians and representatives and bureaucrats - what could possibly go wrong?
The answers you have been given are accurate, but not comprehensive. This link is to the instruction which covers the issues in detail.
One of those tenets holds that IVF treatments are a sin because, the Diocese explained in a statement, they frequently involve the deliberate destruction and freezing of embryos.
In her lawsuit, Herx claims that her bishop told her that IVF is an intrinsic evil, which means no circumstances can justify it. She also claims in her lawsuit that her parish pastor told her that she was a grave, immoral sinner for pusuing IVF.
The church sees the case as a test of constitutional guarantees of religious freedom.
The diocese tells TODAY that is(sic) supports infertility treatments for its employees, just not in vitro fertilization, which the church believes contradicts its right-to-life beliefs.
The Diocese views the core issue raised in this lawsuit as a challenge to the Diocese's right, as a religious employer, to make religious based decisions consistent with its religious standards on an impartial basis, the Diocese said in a statement.
The link at #25 will also explain the Church’s reasoning to you.
Apparently, He did if a third party has to intervene in the conjugal act to produce a child.
See Post #16 for text from the Catechism of the Catholic Church on the matter.
the rise of Protestantism
Which also has a bloody history. Oddly enough, you chose to gloss over that fact.
Next time, do more than just a little research.
“The rationale for the second is the same as the first... the Will of God. Life is His domain. We cooperate with His Will in generating offspring. It’s the height of hubris to seek to create a life that God Himself has denied you.”
I’ve got to be honest here. Is this REALLY what Catholics believe? This just seems a bit off.
If Ms. Herx can be believed, then, astoundingly, both the bishop and the pastor correctly informed her of Catholic doctrine.
Cooperating with the Will of God seems a bit off to you?
Who writes this garble? IVF is contrary to the Catholic Church's teaching on human life and sexual morality. It just is ... no "the church believes" about it.
Maybe she believes that God gave her another chance at having a baby and being a mother?
Otherwise, why would God provide an alternative for people that can’t conceive? Surely He knew all this was going to happen before she was even born, right? Didn’t God also know all the steps man would take in medical research, to lead up to this ability?
For two years my supervisor has known about it and said she was praying for us, Herx told TODAYs Ann Curry. So there was no warning. There was nothing. So in my heart I had support and I was being honest about it.
We have the ability to do lots of things that God disapproves. Having the ability doesn't equal God's Will.
Look at the fact that a great deal of medical advancement came through Nazi experimentation on their "undesirable" populations... does that mean that all that comes out of it is evil? No... but neither does the good outcomes make the original act good. God can make all things new and all things (even when we try to do evil) accomplish His Will. That doesn't mean that everything we do, then, is sanctioned by God.
IVF involves the fertilization of, and the deliberate destruction of, many, many developing human embryos. This is gravely immoral.
See a short discussion from Catholic Answers and a longer one from the former Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict:
So why do you think God allowed the Nazis to do what they did? He knew they would do it prior to there even being Nazis.
Since God is infallible, doesn’t something He knows will happen, have to happen?