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To: gghd

BTW, The idea that RC’s don’t teach that prayers must go through Mary needed a fitting response.


31 posted on 05/03/2012 5:12:44 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

The Roman Catholic Church teaches that a person >can pray >directly to Jesus.

Does your church have what is called a >prayer chain?

That’s where people pray for each other or they all pray to God for something they want. Sometimes they will meet and all pray together. &Sometimes they contact each other through the >telephone. It’s called a ‘prayer-chain’ because when one person is contacted, that person is responsible for contacting other people.

For instance, I can ask you to pray for me. That’s perfectly acceptable in the Catholic Church & in a lot of other Protestant churches. (By-the-way, please pray for me.)

The Catholic Church teaches there is only >One Church. All the Souls (Saints) in Heaven & all the people living on earth who are in a state of >grace are all in the Church of Jesus Christ.

When Catholics ‘pray’ to Mary, they just including her in the prayer-chain. If Mary had a telephone, ALL Catholics would be calling her up constantly. But, ‘There ain’t no phone lines up to Heaven’ except through >prayer. That’s how we ALL talk to everyone in Heaven including the Upper Management of the Catholic Church (Father, Son & Holy Spirit).

It’s in the Bible that we ALL become “Brothers & Sisters” with one another & brothers and sisters of Jesus Christ. It’s part of God’s Mercy.

The Virgin-Mary is the Mother of Jesus Christ. He is both True-man & True-God. Obviously, Mary did NOT “create” Jesus=eternal=God. But, she did give birth to Jesus in the form of His >humanity.

Elizabeth: “filled with the Holy Spirit, cried out in a loud voice and said, ‘Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb. And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my >Lord should come to me?”

In the 10 commandments we are obligated to honor God. We are obligated to honor our earthly father & mother.

Catholics >rightly teach that as we become >brothers with Jesus Christ, the Virgin Mary becomes our mother too through the action of the Holy Spirit infusing us with God’s grace.

A lot of people outside the Catholic Church look upon >Roman Catholics as >worshipping The Virgin-Mary. That’s incorrect; Catholics are just honoring her for being our mother too through Jesus Christ.
+Mary is due honor from ALL Christians for saying YES to God. “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. May it be done to me according to your word.”

I’ll admit that, at times the ‘flowery’ language of the praises for Mary may seem a bit too much to >non-Catholics. But, ALL Roman Catholics >start with the basic teaching of the Catholic Church: Mary is a creature like us.
She was chosen by God to be the mother of Jesus. (That’s a real good recommendation as to her Virtue.)

To say Mary is in a, >Mysterious way, is the mediator of ALL graces is correct. The Virgin Mary said, “Yes” to God. Jesus was conceived in her womb & his ‘whole’ human life was entrusted to >Mary. She raised Jesus from conception to when He reached the age where He could care from himself. (By-the-way, Quix, please say >Thank-you to your mother. Do it today either by telephone or prayer.)

Mary is a >creature like all of us. But without Mary as The Blessed Mother, Jesus as we know him today would NOT exist. Maybe, God would have found someone else to be His mother; But that is simply conjecture (like how many angels can dance on a pin.).
We know for certain, Jesus Christ decided the Virgin-Mary was going to be his mother. It’s in the human-heart, ‘Perfect Mother = Perfect Child.’ God is perfect. >But part of the mystery of the incarnation is God also wanted a >Perfect Mother.

Jesus Christ is the >True Mediator of ALL graces. But, he acted through Mary to have a human-body here on Earth.
Repeat: Jesus Christ is the >True Mediator of ALL graces; He acted through His mother as part of His salvation plan: The incarnation, life, ministry on earth & death on the Cross.
Repeat: Jesus Christ according to the Catholic Church is the True Mediator of ALL graces. ALL of creation came about through the Word of God = Jesus Christ. (Jesus = Humanity needed Mary to say YES.)

A prayer for ALL of humanity = Thank you Mary for saying, “Yes to God.”

Everyone has a vocation. Are you, Quix, upset with Televangelists when they take telephone calls from people in the audience & then send the messages up to Heaven to Jesus. They in a mysterious way also are ‘mediators’ between the faithful & Jesus.

I’m a Roman Catholic & I go to Church as required. +I pray daily.

What is your Religion? Do you go to Church? If it’s a small Church that gives away your location, obviously, you don’t have tell it.

The reason I ask: I found that on freerepublic, I can end up discussing Christianity with someone that sits at home on Sunday in their own armchair church. They seem to interpret the Bible as to whatever suits their fancy that day?

Roman Catholics teach >everyone in the entire world is given sufficient grace & opportunity to get into Heaven. In Mathew 25: 39-46, God sets out who will get into Heaven in the ordinary course of events. Please notice that God is looking for acts of Mercy.

The good-thief on the Cross also teaches ALL of us, that when a person is at >death’s door, a >direct appeal to God can get a person into Heaven. The Catholic Church recognizes this possibility.

The summary is: “Please be polite about the Virgin-Mary as she is >our Mother too!” +On Judgment Day, we will stand before Jesus Christ. = Jesus doesn’t want anyone ‘talkin’ trash’ about any mother, much less HIS Mother!

I try to pray these direct prayers to God everyday:

“Our Father, Who art in Heaven, hallowed by Thy Name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen”

“Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world with end. Amen”

“O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell; lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy. Amen”


32 posted on 05/03/2012 8:16:01 AM PDT by gghd (A Pro-life Palinista & a member of the NRA)
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To: Quix

I wanted this to be a stand alone comment about Mary. It’s not from a Catholic Catechism; it’s from me.

Some people get upset that Roman Catholics view Mary as having >special attributes & >special abilities to work on behalf of her Son = Jesus Christ.

Mary, herself, was given the vocation from GOD to take care of Jesus Christ. He was conceived in her womb & nursed at her breast. The human-body of Jesus Christ was depended on Mary for Life itself.

Then Mary taught Jesus how to be >truly-human which is the vocation all mothers have in regards to their children. Mary played ‘peek-a-boo’ with her Baby. She taught Him ‘Patty-cake baker’s man, roll it up & put it in the pan...’

Mary taught Jesus how walk & talk. She taught Him >manners. What a blessing = Perfect mother & perfect Child.
Walk into a Church for the >first time and have ‘mom’ say, ‘Indoor feet.’ >The Perfect Child NEVER ran in a Church, ever! (As a Man, He may have ran-after ‘money-changers with a whip!’)

It’s perfectly reasonable that Jesus would still give “>tasks” to Mary to HELP take care of >ALL of us. After all, Jesus gave Mary the vocation of taking care of Him. To the Mother’s Heart, it’s not a ‘job or task’ but an act of motherly love. = Mary as the Mother of Jesus is our Mother too! Mary as our >Mother wants to take care of ALL of us too!

In summary, = Tell your mother Thank You. +Ask her how many times she had to tell you: “indoor feet.”


33 posted on 05/03/2012 8:53:27 AM PDT by gghd (A Pro-life Palinista & a member of the NRA)
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