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Romney's religion: Who are evangelicals to question Mormonism?
Baltimore Sun ^ | 04/27/2012 | David Horsey

Posted on 04/27/2012 1:56:28 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Jokes about polygamy and funny long underwear aside, Mitt Romney's Mormon faith has not been, and will not become, a factor in the presidential campaign of 2012.

I have a friend who wishes that were not so. She thinks it's creepy that Mormons comb genealogical records to find people to retroactively baptize into the church -- people who were not Mormons when they were alive and probably would not want to be Mormons if they still were. Knowing that the one constant in Mr. Romney's otherwise malleable set of beliefs is his religion, my friend cannot understand why the Obama campaign has not raised the oddities of Mormonism as an issue.

It is not going to happen. The Obama campaign gurus are wise enough to know there is nothing to gain by opening up the can of very fat worms that is religion.

I thought about this last week as I was driving down the King Kamehameha Highway on Oahu after sunset. As I approached the small town of La'ie, I noticed a bright glow in the darkness off to the right. When I got close enough, I could see where the light was coming from: the illuminated Mormon temple. It was like finding the Lincoln Memorial in the middle of a jungle; that is how out of context it seemed.

Yet, in La'ie, the temple is the center of the community. Nearby was the Hawaii campus of Brigham Young University and the sprawling Polynesian Cultural Center -- a Disney-quality re-creation of traditional life in the Pacific Islands, run by the Mormon Church.

(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Other Christian; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: evangelical; inman; mormon; romney
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1 posted on 04/27/2012 1:56:31 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The lds-org denies that Jesus is the Creator, that everything was created THROUGH Him, BY Him and FOR Him.

They deny that Jesus created even the angels out of nothing.

They do NOT teach the truth about Jesus.

2 posted on 04/27/2012 2:01:33 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; Tennessee Nana; ...

Ping


3 posted on 04/27/2012 2:04:41 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The epitome of stupidity is a member of a proven racist sect running against a black man.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Name a single nationally known conservative mormon politician.


4 posted on 04/27/2012 2:05:50 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Obama campaign gurus are wise enough to know there is nothing to gain by opening up the can of very fat worms that is religion.

All 0bama has to do is sit back and let the "severly conservative" Romney talk and destroy himself.

5 posted on 04/27/2012 2:07:58 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: SeekAndFind
. The Obama campaign gurus are wise enough to know there is nothing to gain by opening up the can of very fat worms that is religion.

They won't have to, their willing sycophants in the media will do it for them.

6 posted on 04/27/2012 2:08:10 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Who is David Horsey to question evangelicals who question Mormons? Both his cartoons and his political commentaries strike me as being authored by an air-head.


7 posted on 04/27/2012 2:08:23 PM PDT by CommerceComet (If Mitt can leave the GOP to protest Reagan, why can't I do the same in protest of Romney?)
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To: SeekAndFind
I think the 0bama campaign has been waiting until the right time before launching innuendos about the strangeness of many Mormon beliefs. I think the time will be coming, later on, that we will see this hornet's nest stirred up. Simply because it hasn't happened yet does not mean they are not planning to use this.
8 posted on 04/27/2012 2:10:42 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: SeekAndFind
WHO are the mormons to claim to be the "only true and living church"?

The Only True and Living Church

By Elder Dallin H. Oaks

Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles

From an address delivered on June 25, 2010, at a seminar for new mission presidents.

Dallin H. Oaks
What does it mean that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only true Church?

Our first responsibility and purpose is to testify of Jesus Christ to a world that suffers to know of His divine mission. As my response to that great responsibility, I will speak about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the only true and living Church. In doing so I know I speak against the powerful tide of what is called “political correctness.”

The fashionable opinion of this age is that all churches are true. In truth, the idea that all churches are the same is the doctrine of the anti-Christ, illustrated by the Book of Mormon account of Korihor (see Alma 30). That account was given to teach us a vital lesson in our day.

A revelation given to the Prophet Joseph Smith in 1831, soon after the organization of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, spoke of those who had been given “power to lay the foundation of this church.” The Lord then referred to the Church as “the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth, with which I, the Lord, am well pleased” (D&C 1:30).

Because of this declaration of the Lord, we refer to this, His Church—our Church—as the “only true Church.” Sometimes we do this in a way that gives great offense to people who belong to other churches or who subscribe to other philosophies. But God has not taught us anything that should cause us to feel superior to other people. Certainly all churches and philosophies have elements of truth in them, some more than others. Certainly God loves all of His children. And certainly His gospel plan is for all of His children, all according to His own timetable.

So what does it mean that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only true Church?

Three features—(1) fulness of doctrine, (2) power of the priesthood, and (3) testimony of Jesus Christ—explain why God has declared and why we as His servants maintain that this is the only true and living Church upon the face of the whole earth.

1. Fulness of Doctrine

When Jesus Christ was upon the earth, He taught the fulness of His doctrine, which is the plan that our Heavenly Father has outlined for the eternal progress of His children. Later, many of these gospel truths were lost through being diluted by the principles or philosophies then prevailing in the world where Christianity was preached and through the manipulations of political leaders. We call this loss of the fulness of truth the Apostasy.

Many church denominations or philosophies that exist in the world today contain, in greater or lesser measure, truths revealed by God in earlier days, along with a mixture of the philosophies or manipulations of men. We believe that most religious leaders and followers are sincere believers who love God and understand and serve Him to the best of their abilities. We are indebted to the men and women who kept the light of faith and learning alive through the centuries to the present day. We want all who investigate our church from other churches or systems of belief to retain everything they have that is good and to come and see how we can add to their understanding of truth and to their happiness as they follow it.

Because so much had been lost in the Apostasy, it was necessary that the Lord restore the fulness of His doctrine. That began with what we call Joseph Smith’s First Vision.

The fulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ begins with the assurance that we lived as spirits before we came to this earth. It affirms that this mortal life has a purpose. It teaches that our highest aspiration is to become like our heavenly parents. We do this by qualifying for the glorified celestial condition and relationships that are called exaltation or eternal life, which will empower us to perpetuate our family relationships throughout eternity.

The doctrine of Jesus Christ, understood in its fulness, is the plan by which we can become what children of God are supposed to become. This spotless and perfected state will result from a steady succession of covenants, ordinances, and actions; an accumulation of right choices; and continuing repentance. “This life is the time for men to prepare to meet God” (Alma 34:32). This is made possible through the Atonement of Jesus Christ and by obedience to the laws and ordinances of His gospel.

The restored gospel of Jesus Christ is comprehensive, universal, merciful, and true. Following the necessary experience of mortal life, all sons and daughters of God will be resurrected and go to a kingdom of glory more wonderful than any mortals can comprehend. With only a few exceptions, even the very wicked will ultimately go to a marvelous—though lesser—kingdom of glory. All of this will occur because of God’s great love for His children, and it is all made possible because of the Atonement and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, “who glorifies the Father, and saves all the works of his hands” (D&C 76:43).

2. Power of the Priesthood

The second and absolutely essential characteristic of the “only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth” is priesthood authority.

The Bible is clear that priesthood authority is necessary and that this authority had to be conferred by the laying on of hands by those who held it. Priesthood authority did not come from a desire to serve or from reading the scriptures. When that priesthood authority was lost through apostasy, it had to be restored by those resurrected beings who had held it in mortality and who were sent to confer it. That happened as part of the Restoration of the gospel, and that priesthood authority, together with the keys necessary to direct its operations, are in this Church and no other.

As a result of our having the power of the priesthood, the leaders and duly authorized members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are empowered to perform the required priesthood ordinances, such as baptism, the gift of the Holy Ghost, and the administration of the sacrament.

The keys of the priesthood, held by our beloved prophet, President Thomas S. Monson, and every other prophet and President of the Church, entitle him to revelation in behalf of the entire Church. This Church is “living” because we have prophets who continue to give us the word of the Lord that is needed for our time.

3. Testimony of Jesus Christ

The third reason why we are the only true Church is that we have the revealed truth about the nature of God and our relationship to Him, and we therefore have a unique testimony of Jesus Christ. Significantly, our belief in the nature of God is what distinguishes us from the formal creeds of most Christian denominations.

The Articles of Faith, our only formal declaration of belief, begin as follows: “We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.” We have this belief in the Godhead in common with the rest of Christianity, but to us it means something different than to most. We maintain that these three members of the Godhead are three separate and distinct beings and that God the Father is not a spirit but a glorified being with a tangible body, as is His resurrected Son, Jesus Christ. Though separate in identity, They are one in purpose.

Joseph Smith’s First Vision showed that the prevailing concepts of the nature of God and the Godhead were untrue and could not lead their adherents to the destiny God desired for them (see Joseph Smith—History 1:17–19). A subsequent outpouring of modern revelation clarified the significance of this fundamental truth and also gave us the Book of Mormon. This new book of scripture is a second witness of Christ. It affirms the biblical prophecies and teachings of the nature and mission of Christ. It enlarges our understanding of His gospel and His teachings during His earthly ministry. It also provides many teachings by which we may know the truth of these things.

We are not grounded in the wisdom of the world or the philosophies of men—however traditional or respected they may be. Our testimony of Jesus Christ is based on the revelations of God to His prophets and to us individually. (See 1 Corinthians 2:1–5; 2 Nephi 28:26.)

So what does our testimony of Jesus Christ cause us to affirm?

Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten Son of God, the Eternal Father. He is the Creator of this world. Through His incomparable mortal ministry, He is our teacher. Because of His Resurrection, all who have ever lived will be raised from the dead. He is the Savior, whose atoning sacrifice paid for the sin of Adam and opened the door for us to be forgiven of our personal sins so that we can be cleansed to return to the presence of God, our Eternal Father. This is the central message of the prophets of all ages.

I solemnly affirm my testimony of Jesus Christ and the truth of His gospel. He lives, and His gospel is true. He is the Light and Life of the World (see D&C 34:2). He is the Way to immortality and eternal life (see John 14:6). To me, the miracle of the Atonement of Jesus Christ is incomprehensible. But the Holy Ghost has given me a witness of its truthfulness, and I can rejoice that I can spend my life in proclaiming it.

Priesthood authority had to be restored by those resurrected beings who had held it in mortality. That priesthood authority, together with the keys necessary to direct its operations, are in this Church and no other.

We are not grounded in the wisdom of the world or the philosophies of men. Our testimony of Jesus Christ is based on the revelations of God to His prophets and to us individually.


It's 'cause mormonism is SOO speshul and 52,000 missionaries are sent out EVERY DAY to make this claim to Christians.

None of the claims made in this article are backed by BIBLICAL proof.

9 posted on 04/27/2012 2:12:51 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The epitome of stupidity is a member of a proven racist sect running against a black man.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Everything in his heart, mind, spirit, and deeds are on the table when our kids and country are on the line.

I think anyone who wants those books sealed is suspect as hell. And that’s the name of that freakin’ tune.


10 posted on 04/27/2012 2:15:27 PM PDT by AnTiw1
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To: SeekAndFind; P-Marlowe; Colofornian
She thinks it's creepy that Mormons comb genealogical records to find people to retroactively baptize into the church -- people who were not Mormons when they were alive and probably would not want to be Mormons if they still were

And this Baltimore Sun writer just used his piece decrying those who oppose Mormonism to bring up the subject.

OF COURSE that will be the way Mormonism will be brought up. They'll always say, "Ain't it awful that Mormons get grief for believing in magic underwear...spirit wives...godhood on their own personal planet..etc, etc."

INDIGNANT, I Say. I'm just indignant that Romney isn't allowed to believe he has 70 spirit wives if that's what he wants to believe.

IOW, it's already started.

11 posted on 04/27/2012 2:21:51 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil! (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: SeekAndFind

Well I dont know about anyone else...

But I’m a Christian and I not only question Willie Mitty’s religion of choice, Mormonism...

but I also have the answers...


12 posted on 04/27/2012 2:23:30 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: SeekAndFind

Who is the constitution to question Mitten’s Progressive ideology? Who are normal people to question his homo grooming programs and clubs in the public schools? Who are mothers and fathers to question his support to murder babies? Who are property owners to question his watermelon environmental agenda? Sheesh.

That he’s a Mormon is the least of his problems. His real problem is that he embraced humanist liberalism which has no higher authority than his own power and will to answer to. Since he can’t justify himself to decent people based on how he has abused his power when he had it, he’s going to try and make it all about Mormonism.

Bring out the flip flops. The sun is shining on Mittens.


13 posted on 04/27/2012 2:26:18 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Tennessee Nana

;0)


14 posted on 04/27/2012 2:26:18 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The epitome of stupidity is a member of a proven racist sect running against a black man.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Indeed

Who are the Mormons to question Christianity ???


15 posted on 04/27/2012 2:27:50 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Who are the Mormons to question Christianity ???

Exactly.

16 posted on 04/27/2012 2:30:40 PM PDT by dragonblustar (PETA. President Eating Tasty Animals)
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To: SeekAndFind

Who or what is mormonism to claim it is Christianity?
Who or what is mormonism to claim the Biblical God was once a man?
Who or what is mormonism to claim the Biblical Jesus was created and not eternal?
Who or what is mormonism to claim that Joseph Smith is greater than Jesus Christ of the Bible?
Christians have every right, as well as anyone else to question: who or what is mormonism?


17 posted on 04/27/2012 2:30:49 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Last time around, the lamestream pressed raised the Mormon issue constantly, in an effort to make Evangelicals look like bigots.

My response then was that it was not Romney’s Mormon faith that was the problem—it was the fact that he was a proabortion, pro-gay marriage, high-taxing, big-spending liberal.

That is still true, and even more disturbing political positions have come to light. But I also think his Mormon faith IS a problem.

I’m sorry, I know that there are well-intentioned Mormons in the forum. As a Catholic, I don’t believe in their religion, and they don’t believe in mine, which makes us even at least in that regard.

But I have become a lot more aware that there ARE problems with Romney’s Mormon faith. He belongs by birth to the privileged class of high-ranking Mormons who govern the LDS church, and apparently tell everyone else what to believe. How else to explain that although most Mormons are fairly conservative, they loyally support politicians like Dingy Harry and Mitt Romney, no matter WHAT they say or do?

Romney is winning this primary partly because of the RINO establishment, and the pseudo-conservative talking heads. But he is also winning because the Mormon states are front-loaded, and Mormons have turned out obediently to vote for him in very large numbers—even though he does not represent what I thought the LDS stood for.

I obey my bishop, ordinarily. But not if he violates the known teachings of the Catholic Church. Mormons don’t seem to make that distinction. Dingy Harry is a corrupt, left-wing mobster, but that doesn’t seem to matter to them. And that problem gets much worse with Bishop Romney, who seems to think he is the promised LDS Messiah. That wouldn’t be so disturbing if they didn’t seem to think so, too.


18 posted on 04/27/2012 2:32:31 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NEMDF

Obama’s goons and flunkies will raise the issue of religion, if they haven’t started already. But they will do it under the guise of being conservative Republicans to prevent any questions about Obama’s own dubious religious beliefs.


19 posted on 04/27/2012 2:37:37 PM PDT by Burkean (.)
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To: SeekAndFind; All
From the article: ...my friend cannot understand why the Obama campaign has not raised the oddities of Mormonism as an issue. It is not going to happen. The Obama campaign gurus are wise enough to know there is nothing to gain by opening up the can of very fat worms that is religion.

#1...It's because religious tension is a can of very fat worms -- to be used as bait by the Dem operatives -- that the can will be worth opening wider & wider (the Sun's columnist's ignorance doesn't know the can's already been culturally opened...shhhh...don't let him in on it til it bops on the nose)

#2...His other point of ignorance is that he's seemingly in the dark about a little thing called informal delegation. Obama doesn't have to publicly say a single thing about Mormonism. Like a man giving the most subtlest of signals to an auctioneer, the MSM has already been unleashed!

(a) The MSM won't be able to overlook it;
(b) Well, when the Democratic operatives are told that they don't even need to make up any lies about Mormonism...that the truth is publicly provocative as is...what operative won't relish that???

20 posted on 04/27/2012 2:38:47 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Burkean
Obama’s goons and flunkies will raise the issue of religion, if they haven’t started already. But they will do it under the guise of being conservative Republicans to prevent any questions about Obama’s own dubious religious beliefs.

That is a load of double talk. I suggest you reword it so that it doesn't insinuate that actual conservatives are Obama's goons and flunkies. There is enough of that going on around FR today.

21 posted on 04/27/2012 2:44:46 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The epitome of stupidity is a member of a proven racist sect running against a black man.)
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To: fishtank

They most certainly do baptize the dead!That’s one of the reasons Moemons are so in to geneology.


22 posted on 04/27/2012 2:46:49 PM PDT by lu shissler
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To: Cicero; reaganaut; All
Romney is winning this primary partly because of the RINO establishment, and the pseudo-conservative talking heads. But he is also winning because the Mormon states are front-loaded, and Mormons have turned out obediently to vote for him in very large numbers—even though he does not represent what I thought the LDS stood for. I obey my bishop, ordinarily. But not if he violates the known teachings of the Catholic Church. Mormons don’t seem to make that distinction. Dingy Harry is a corrupt, left-wing mobster, but that doesn’t seem to matter to them. And that problem gets much worse with Bishop Romney, who seems to think he is the promised LDS Messiah. That wouldn’t be so disturbing if they didn’t seem to think so, too.

Here's historical back-up/reinforcement to your comment that Romney thinks he's "the promised LDS Messiah" -- in case anybody comes on this thread and questions it.

First, from Mitt's father, George Romney:
“Anyone can look at the words of the Prophet Joseph Smith... Brigham Young and others.... I have always felt that they meant that sometime the question of whether we are going to proceed on the basis of the Constitution would arise and at this point government leaders who were Mormons would be involved in answering that question.”- George Romney, interview in “A Man’s Religion and American Politics: An Interview with Governor Romney,” Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Autumn 1967, v. 2, p. 25

See Lds General Conference coverage of White Horse prophecy [General Conferences are those two-per-year...each April and October...church-wide official LDS, Inc. conferences held in Salt Lake City]:

Which General Conferences rec'd mentions from official Lds leaders?

* October, 1912? Check (by Lds "prophet" Joseph F. Smith -- nephew of Joseph Smith)
* October, 1922? Check
* October, 1928? Check
* April, 1933? Check
* April, 1942? Check (by eventual Lds "prophet" Harold B. Lee)
* October, 1942? Check
* April, 1946? Check
* April, 1948? Check (by eventual Lds "prophet" Ezra Taft Benson)
* April, 1949? Check
* April, 1950? Check (by eventual Lds "prophet" Joseph Fielding Smith)
* October, 1952? Check (by eventual Lds "prophet" Harold B. Lee)
* October, 1961? check (by eventual Lds "prophet" Ezra Taft Benson)
* April, 1963? check (by eventual Lds "prophet" Ezra Taft Benson)

That's over a dozen references in about 50 years' time! Sure a lot of General Conference "to do" 'bout White-Horse 'nothin'ness' - eh, Joseph????

Here are those General Conference references (per Reaganaut)...and I'll include the rest of her citations next post:

“Joseph Smith... predicted that the time would come, ‘when the Constitution of our country would hang as it were by a thread, and that the Latter-day Saints above all other people in the world would come to the rescue.” - Prophet Joseph F. Smith, Conference Report, October 1912, p. 11

“Now, these are the commandments of God, the principles contained in these commandments of the great Eternal are the principles that underly the Constitution of our country and all just laws. Joseph Smith, the prophet, was inspired to affirm and ratify this truth, and he further predicted that the time would come, when the Constitution of our country would hang as it were by a thread, and that the Latter-day Saints above all other people in the world would come to the rescue of that great and glorious palladium of our liberty.” - Prophet Joseph F. Smith, Conference Report, October 1912, p. 11

“My brethren and sisters, I hope that we will go home from this conference determined as a great body of people, to stand for law, order, righteousness, justice and peace on earth and good will among all men. I believe as the Prophet Joseph has written, that the day would come when there would be so much of disorder, of secret combinations taking the law into their own hands, tramping upon Constitutional rights and the liberties of the people, that the Constitution would hang as by a thread. Yes, but it will still hang, and there will be enough of good people, many who may not belong to our Church at all, people who have respect for law and for order, and for Constitutional rights, who will rally around with us and save the Constitution. I have never read that that thread would be cut. It will hang; the Constitution will abide and this civilization, that the Lord has caused to be built up, will stand fortified through the power of God, by putting from our hearts all that is evil, or that is wrong in the sight of God, by our living as we should live, acceptable to him.” - Apostle Charles W. Nibley, Conference Report, October 1922, p. 40

“The Prophet Joseph told us that he saw the day when even the Constitution of the United States would be torn and hang as by a thread. But, thank the Lord, the thread did not break. He saw the day when this people would be a balance of power to come to its defense. The Book of Mormon prophecies concerning the future of America have been referred to in our hearing during this conference, wherein it is stated that this nation, though it becomes a mighty nation, still it can stand in security here only as it serves the God of this land. That conception was in the hearts of the men who founded America.” - Apostle Melvin J. Ballard, Conference Report, October 1928, p. 108

“I believe that it is the destiny of the Latter-day Saints to support the Constitution of the United States. The Prophet Joseph Smith is alleged to have said—and I believe he did say it—that the day would come when the Constitution would hang as by a thread. But he saw that the thread did not break, thank the Lord, and that the Latter-day Saints would become a balance of power, with others, to preserve that Constitution. If there is—and there is one part of the Constitution hanging as by a thread today—where do the Latter-day Saints belong? Their place is to rally to the support of that Constitution, and maintain it and defend it and support it by their lives and by their vote. Let us not disappoint God nor his prophet. Our place is fixed.” - Apostle Melvin J. Ballard, Conference Report, April 1933, p. 127

“The Prophet Joseph told us that he saw the day when even the Constitution of the United States would be torn and hang as by a thread.... He saw the day when this people would be a balance of power to come to its defense.” - Apostle Melvin J. Ballard, Conference Report, October 1928, p. 108

“You and I have heard all our lives that the time may come when the Constitution may hang by a thread. I do not know whether it is a thread, or a small rope by which it now hangs, but I do know that whether it shall live or die is now in the balance.” - Apostle J. Reuben Clark, Conference Report, October 1942, p. 58

“How long will it be before the words of the prophet Joseph will be fulfilled? He said if the Constitution of the United States were saved at all it must be done by this people. It will not be many years before these words come to pass. When the Constitution of the United States hangs, as it were, upon a single thread, they will have to call for the Mormon Elders to save it from utter destruction; and they will step forth and do it. . . . if it is sustained on this land of Joseph, it will be done by us and our posterity.” - Apostle Mark E. Peterson, Conference Report, April 1946, p. 171

“[Joseph Smith] said if the Constitution of the United States were saved at all it must be done by this people. It will not be many years before these words come to pass. When the Constitution of the United States hangs, as it were, upon a single thread, they will have to call for the ‘Mormon Elders to save it from utter destruction; and they will step forth and do it.”- Apostle Mark E. Peterson, Conference Report, April 1946, p. 171

“Joseph Smith... [said] the time would come when the Constitution would hang as by a thread and at that time when it was thus in jeopardy, the elders of this Church would step forth and save it from destruction. Why the elders of this Church?... ‘We alone know by revelation as to how the Constitution came into being, and we, alone, know by revelation the destiny of this nation.” - Prophet Harold B. Lee, Conference Report, October 1952, p. 18

“But beyond all that, the Latter-day Saints have a responsibility, that may be better understood when we recall the prophecy of Joseph Smith who declared that ‘the time would come when ( the destiny and ) the Constitution of these United States would hang as it were by a thread, and that this people, the sons of Zion, would rise up and save it from threatened destruction.’ (J. of D., Vol. 7:15) I want to ask you to consider the meaning of that prophecy, in the light of the declaration of the prophets of the Book of Mormon times, who declared that this land was a choice land above all other lands, and would be free from bondage and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but serve the God of this land, even our Savior, Jesus Christ. (Ether 2:12)” - Prophet Harold B. Lee, Conference Report, April 1942, p. 87

“It was Joseph Smith who has been quoted as having said that the time would come when the Constitution would hang as by a thread and at that time when it was thus in jeopardy, the elders of this Church would step forth and save it from destruction. Why the elders of this Church? Would it be sacrilegious to paraphrase the words of the Apostle Peter, and say that the Constitution of the United States could be saved by the elders of this Church because this Church and this Church alone has the words of eternal life? We alone know by revelation as to how the Constitution came into being, and we, alone, know by revelation the destiny of this nation. The preservation of ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness’ can be guaranteed upon no other basis than upon a sincere faith and testimony of the divinity of these teachings.” - Prophet Harold B. Lee, Conference Report, October 1952, p. 18

“[Joseph Smith] said the time would come when this Constitution would hang as by a thread, and this is true.... ‘Now I tell you it is time the people of the United States were waking up with the understanding that if they don’t save the Constitution from the dangers that threaten it, we will have a change of government.’” - Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Conference Report, April 1950, p. 159

“I must not take more time but to add this: The statement has been made that the Prophet said the time would come when this Constitution would hang as by a thread, and this is true. There has been some confusion, however, as to just what he said following this. I think that Elder Orson Hyde has given us a correct interpretation wherein he says that the Prophet said the Constitution would be in danger. Said Orson Hyde: I believe he said something like this — that the time would come when the Constitution and the country would be in danger of an overthrow; and said he: ‘If the Constitution be saved at all, it will be by the Elders of this Church.’ I believe this is about the language, as nearly as I can recollect it. (Journal of Discourses, 6:152.) Now I tell you it is time the people of the United States were waking up with the understanding that if they don’t save the Constitution from the dangers that threaten it, we will have a change of government.” - Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Conference Report, April 1950, p. 159

[Joseph Smith] foresaw the time when the destiny of the nation would be in danger and would hang as by a thread. Thank God he did not see the thread break. He also indicated the important part that this people should yet play in standing for the principles embodied in these sacred documents – the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.” - Prophet Ezra Taft Benson, Conference Report, April 1948, p. 85

“[Joseph Smith] foresaw the time when the destiny of the nation would be in danger and would hang as by a thread. Thank God he did not see the thread break. He also indicated the important part that this people should yet play in standing for the principles embodied in these sacred documents – the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.” - Prophet Ezra Taft Benson, Conference Report, April 1948, p. 85

“I would like to add this in conclusion. It is said that President Brigham Young, many years ago, made this statement: When the Constitution of the United States hangs, as it were, upon a single thread, they will have to call for Mormon elders to save it from utter destruction: and they will step forth and do it. (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 2:182, Feb. 18, 1855.) This is recorded in the Journal of Discourses and I presume it is accurate, but however it may be, is it not a possibility, that this Church, in its great leadership and in the power that will come to it in advocating the things that are divine and are right and true as for example the great welfare program, is not possible that when we as a nation shall have exhausted our resources—and we can well do that if we do not turn about—when we have we have reached that point is it not possible that to us will those who are not of us look for guidance and we will be held up as a people who are pointing an economic way that will mean for the economic and spiritual salvation and blessing of our people.” - High Priest Clifford E. Young, Conference Report, April 1949, pp. 75-76

“It is no wonder that the Prophet Joseph said—even though he knew he would suffer martyrdom in this land—‘The Constitution of the United States is a glorious standard; it is founded in the wisdom of God. It is a heavenly banner.’ Yet, according to his contemporaries, he foresaw the time when the destiny of the nation would be in danger and would hang as by a thread. Thank God he did not see the thread break. He also indicated the important part that this people should yet play in standing for the principles embodied in these sacred documents—the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.” - Prophet Ezra Taft Benson, Conference Report, April 1948, p. 85

“… the Lord told the Prophet Joseph Smith there would be an attempt to overthrow the country by destroying the Constitution. Joseph Smith predicted that the time would come when the Constitution would hang, as it were, by a thread, and at that time ‘this people will step forth and save it from the threatened destruction…. It is my conviction that the elders of Israel, widely spread over the nation will at that crucial time successfully rally the righteous of our country and provide the necessary balance of strength to save the institutions of constitutional government.” - Prophet Ezra Taft Benson, Conference Report, October 1961, p. 70

"It is my conviction that the elders of Israel, widely spread over the nation will at that crucial time successfully rally the righteous of our country and provide the necessary balance of strength to save the institutions of constitutional government.” - Prophet Ezra Taft Benson, Conference Report, October 1961, p. 70

“The Prophet Joseph Smith said the time would come when the Constitution would hang as it were by a thread. Modern-day prophets for the last thirty years have been warning us that we have been rapidly moving in that direction. Fortunately, the Prophet Joseph Smith saw the part the elders of Israel would play in this crisis. Will there be some of us who won’t care about saving the Constitution, others who will be blinded by the craftiness of men, and some who will knowingly be working to destroy it? He that has ears to hear and eyes to see can discern by the Spirit and through the words of God’s mouthpiece that our liberties are being taken.” - Prophet Ezra Taft Benson, Conference Report, April 1963, p. 113

23 posted on 04/27/2012 2:50:54 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I’m sure there is a mix of both sorts, but in many cases it is hard to tell the difference—which is why the Obama team can employ the tactic. Look at the Liberty University controversy as an example. If the administration can be believed, a large portion of the protestors aren’t even part of the university.


24 posted on 04/27/2012 2:53:28 PM PDT by Burkean (.)
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To: Cicero; All
...problem gets much worse with Bishop Romney, who seems to think he is the promised LDS Messiah. That wouldn’t be so disturbing if they didn’t seem to think so, too.

'Twas almost 5 years ago, Cicero -- June of '07 that I posted: Romney candidacy has resurrected last days prophecy of Mormon saving the Constitution ... and you aptly responded:
Interesting story. On a lighter note, I guess we’d better keep an eye out for any Romney agents who are going around looking to purchase a white horse. (post #4)

Other FR threads on the Mormon "White Horse Prophesy":

* JOSEPH SMITH'S "WHITE HORSE" PROPHECY
* Mitt and the White Horse Prophecy
*
(Title shortened to fit)Statement of Joseph Smith that the Constitution would hang by a thread
* Fringe LDS Idaho gubernatorial candidate talks up the White Horse prophecy

25 posted on 04/27/2012 3:07:25 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Who are evangelicals to question Mormonism?

Indeed!

They are SO arrogant at times!!!





Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

26 posted on 04/27/2012 3:27:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Burkean

Do you have proof that conservative Republicans are BHO flunkies or you just talking out of your body orifices.


27 posted on 04/27/2012 3:27:24 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Burkean; greyfoxx39
Look at the Liberty University controversy as an example. If the administration can be believed, a large portion of the protestors aren’t even part of the university.

If you have 50,000 protestors [I'm making up #s here...'cause who knows how many there were] -- and a large portion "weren't part of the university" -- so what? (On more than one count)

If Liberty got thousands or tens of thousands of comments from both students AND alumni, then even from their own angle, tossing that "pie piece" comment into the pix is irrelevant.

Secondly, who cares what % of Evangelicals giving feedback to Liberty don't have a direct campus tie?

Mainstream Lds have rebuked and ignored the fLDS for physical polygamy [even tho the mainstream Lds currently believe in other-colony polygamy and future physical polygamy]. If you don't think that Evangelicals have a right to critique other Evangelicals, then you should jump all over the mainstream LDS -- who think they have a "right" to critique fLDS.

28 posted on 04/27/2012 3:28:52 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Cicero
As a Catholic, I don’t believe in their religion, and they don’t believe in mine, which makes us even at least in that regard.

How generous of you!

MORMONism {p-word} me off!

  "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon'
     whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator
        as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness.

29 posted on 04/27/2012 3:31:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Cicero
2 Corinthians 11:12

And I will keep on doing what I am doing

 in order to cut the ground from under those

who want an opportunity to be considered equal

with us in the things they boast about.

 

30 posted on 04/27/2012 3:32:12 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian

Thanks for all that information. Frankly, after Romney’s failed run last time around, I thought he was finished. But there is no overestimating the stupidity of the GOP-e.

I didn’t like to offend Mormons, because they seem conservative. It was Mormons, together with Catholics, who took the lead in pushing against gay marriage in California, for instance.

But then, when Bishop Romney appears on the scene as a likely winner, all of a sudden they are fully in support of a gay marriage pioneer.

Similarly, when Romney put through Romneycare with taxpayer funded abortion as a major component, and then a little while later said that he is pro-life, we were told, yes, Mormons are pro-life. Except, apparently, when they are not pro-life. Very confusing.

If that sort of thing doesn’t make people think, I don’t know what will.


31 posted on 04/27/2012 3:34:43 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: lu shissler
They most certainly do baptize the dead!

That is kinda hard to do; so there are willing MORMON stand-ins, who are PROXY baptised for the dead.

Golly: I wonder if MITT ever got dunked repeatly for the dead?

32 posted on 04/27/2012 3:34:51 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian


...the presidential campaign of Mormon Church founder Joseph Smith in 1844: “Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that ‘they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.’

Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church.

33 posted on 04/27/2012 3:36:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Cicero

“How else to explain that although most Mormons are fairly conservative, they loyally support politicians like Dingy Harry and Mitt Romney, no matter WHAT they say or do?”

How do you know LDS voted for Reid? I don’t think LDS voted for Reid, at least in the last election. Lincoln county NV is 70% LDS and only 23% of the voters in Lincoln voted for Reid over Angle, who got 67% of the vote. Now if Reid would have had an R after his name he might have got 90% +. It’s like how most Jews would vote against a republican Jew and for any type of dem, only for LDS the party affiliation is with pubs, and LDS pubs before anyone else, even anyone else more conservative.

Freegards


34 posted on 04/27/2012 3:38:39 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: svcw
I'll be a BHO 'flunkie' if that entails spreading the word about the heresy that calls itself MORMON-ism.

I'll be on the front lines of a spiritual battle; even though BHO would NOT be my Commander.


 
Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
 
 
Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
 
 
1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
 
 
1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.
 
 
Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
 
 
1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.
 
 
1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
 
 
2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
 
 
 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
 
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
 
 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
 
 
Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
 
 
Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
 
 
Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
 
 
 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.
 
 
 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 
 
2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.



35 posted on 04/27/2012 3:39:58 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Cicero
I didn’t like to offend Mormons, because they seem conservative.

While I DO like to offend them!

Offend them SO much that they'll try to prove me WRONG on the things I post that their chosen religious organization has believed, printed, taught and pushed over the years.


I've YET to get any MORMONs on FR ever say that the quotes posted in #26 above were WRONG!!

Heck; I can't get any to either repudiate the statements or to affirm them.

What we DO see is IGNORING them as if they do not exist.

36 posted on 04/27/2012 3:45:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Cicero
Very confusing.

 
 


Welcome to MORMONism 101

 

While we are waiting to start; enjoy the artwork on our walls.

If some of it seems shifty to you, just look at it real closely

 and it will stop moving, but another location will then start to crawl on you.

Do NOT think our DOCTRINE is this way!

 


 

 

37 posted on 04/27/2012 3:46:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Cicero

mormonism is not pro-life.
Romney is who he is because of his mormonism not in spite of it.


38 posted on 04/27/2012 3:46:45 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Same as Harry Reid’s.

Suddenly, now, it’s an issue to the left.

LMAO.


39 posted on 04/27/2012 3:52:38 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I'm with Sarah Palin and Dick Cheney - Anybody but Obama, because I trust their judgment.)
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To: SeekAndFind
He is a BABY KILLER.

Does any one question whom he serves?

40 posted on 04/27/2012 3:59:57 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: SeekAndFind

Horsey is either a fool or working to help little barry bastard commie divide the people into tribes attacking each other. I suspect the latter, so we see how the vermin in meida will be doing the lifting so their little demigod can stand back from the carnage as if innocent. Where are the guillotines ... SERIOUSLY!


41 posted on 04/27/2012 4:06:23 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Cicero

This time the media, at David AxelSleazey’s direction, will make it so clear what MormonISM has taught regarding Catholicism that moderate Catholics will be too insensed or embarrassed to vote for the LDS inc melchizedek high priest.


42 posted on 04/27/2012 4:11:51 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Elsie

I wonder if MITT ever got dunked repeatly for the dead?
__________________________________________________

Yes as a teenager he did...

Like polygamy he hasnt said it is unBiblical and wrong...


43 posted on 04/27/2012 4:29:33 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: svcw

Yes, a lot of folks seem to forget, that we are called to witness for Christ in this world. A witness gives positive testimony, but a witness is also needed to rebut false testimony. Some Christians seem to not want to do that, maybe they think it is not nice or polite, but someone has to do it.

That’s fine, God doesn’t give everyone the same job, so there are some who will like to contend over this stuff more than others. I just wish they didn’t have to accuse people who do want to give testimony of being bigoted for doing what Jesus and the Apostles taught us to do!


44 posted on 04/27/2012 4:38:51 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Cicero

“I obey my bishop, ordinarily. But not if he violates the known teachings of the Catholic Church. Mormons don’t seem to make that distinction.”

Well, I don’t think it’s unfair to call Mormonism a cult. It’s getting a bit old, and is well established and pretty respectable at this point, so maybe you can say it’s out-grown that term, but at least, I believe it started out as a classic example of a cult. So, it’s no surprise to me that, like every cult group, the peons are discouraged from questioning the leadership, even if they see them doing things that appear to contradict the groups’ values.

There is some of that pressure in probably every organization, bureaucracy, and religion, but the cults try to really maximize that for the benefit of the unscrupulous leadership.


45 posted on 04/27/2012 4:45:01 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: SeekAndFind
Who are evangelicals other denominations to question Mormonism Catholicism?
46 posted on 04/27/2012 4:57:20 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Boogieman

“When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done.” “When the [LdS] Prophet speaks the debate is over.” LdS Church First Counselor, Eldon Tanner in a 1979.
That’s a cult.
Shunning if you leave lds, that’s a cult.
Total absolute obedience, that’s a cult.
mormomism is a cult.


47 posted on 04/27/2012 4:58:49 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: greyfoxx39

LOL! at that article of falsehoods.


48 posted on 04/27/2012 4:59:36 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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I just found that Utah has Mandated ALL Cemetery records be put on line. I have a distant cousin there, who told me she is very busy entering her city's cemetery data.

This is just strange, as cemeteries are not an essential thing to know. Nice for genealogist, but not something that needs to be mandated.

49 posted on 04/27/2012 5:02:21 PM PDT by annieokie
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RE: Who are evangelicals other denominations to question Mormonism Catholicism?

Since we're into "who are" questions... we might as well also ask ... who are Catholics to question other denominations?
50 posted on 04/27/2012 5:24:25 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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