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Skip to comments.Mormons who fear Mitt: Young people...leaving...a Romney presidency will only make things worse
Posted on 04/28/2012 5:55:13 AM PDT by Colofornian
I would not vote for him just because he is Mormon. I want to know what he is going to do for the people. I want to see the compassion.
Gladys Knight is not voting for Mitt Romney. In a recent interview with BET the famed singer, herself a Mormon...
You see, last time a Republican was president, he became just about the least popular person in the world. So some Mormons are a little bit nervous that having one of their own in the White House could interfere with the churchs true mission of spreading the gospel something with which it has already been having recent troubles.
Mitt Romney is having a terrible impact on how we are perceived, explained Brigham Young University law student Marshall Thompson, a former intern to Orrin Hatch, an Iraq vet and a faithful Mormon the type of person, in other words, youd expect to be part of Romneys base. Im told hes a very nice person in real life, Thompson continues, but he comes across as out-of-touch, materialistic and disingenuous.
...Romneys candidacy comes at a time when Mormonism itself is facing a similar crisis of likability.
Mormon leader Marlin Jensen has recently acknowledged that Latter-day Saints are leaving the fold in droves. The former church historian spoke frankly to...students at Utah State University, saying, Weve never had a period of Ill call it apostasy like were having now.
Church leaders never anticipated the Internet generation would access their history online. Joseph Smith used magic stones to see into the past. Today, young Mormons use Google. When they discover that their founding prophet wedded several teenage girls, it is often a traumatic revelation. Mormons experience a crisis of trust, if not outright betrayal, from their leaders.
(Excerpt) Read more at salon.com ...
From the article: I would not vote for him just because he is Mormon." [Unlike 90 pt whatever % of other Mormons, eh?]
From the article: Mitt Romney is having a terrible impact on how we are perceived, explained Brigham Young University law student Marshall Thompson, a former intern to Orrin Hatch, an Iraq vet and a faithful Mormon the type of person, in other words, youd expect to be part of Romneys base. Im told hes a very nice person in real life, Thompson continues, but he comes across as out-of-touch, materialistic and disingenuous.
Disingenuous...sounds like the common Mormon missionary tactic of bait switching to me...presenting the Book of Mormon to potential proselytes...yet most mainstream Lds doctrine isn't found there!
Besides, if people want to understand how Mormonism's approach to the socio-political realm at the local level, people need to read these two articles (the first written by a Mormon; the second by an ex-Mormon):
In the first linked article above, Mormon Neal Chandler highlights how in the 19th century...
* Mormons forced communism upon its people -- and then not (United Order)
* Adhered to theocracies under its first two "prophets" -- and then slowly drew back
* Said polygamy was a condition of the highest degree of glory -- and then not
* Encourage its Utah Territory voters to be Democrats -- and then told whole groups of people wholesale to "balance it out" as Republicans as statehood approached
* Excluded blacks -- and then late in the 20th century not
From the second article linked above: What makes Mitt the kind of person he is ruthlessly opportunistic, dishonest, insincere, willing to say anything for advantage, lacking in conscience, preoccupied with appearance, etc., on the one hand, yet squeaky clean, family-oriented, disciplined, boring, and predictable, on the other? My new e-book, A Mormon Story, sheds light on the culture that produced Mitt Romney.
Good question. (It's one I've raised -- and answered numerous times on various FR threads)
The answer, says this ex-Mormon in the book referenced above is: (From the article): The book reveals a value system that ultimately has no absolutes, other than the need to conform to deep-seated, highly-controlling authoritarianism that pervades LDS culture. That culture emphasizes a Mormon tradition known as "eternal progression" undoctrinal spiritual evolution in which even God is changing. It also emphasizes the notion that the latest words of governing church leaders trump the Word of God found in the scriptures (including LDS scripture).
IOW, EVERYTHING in Mormonism -- from its theology to its social practices -- is up for potential change at the whim of the Mormon god. Bottom-line: There is no bottom-line in Mormonism! There is no bedrock doctrine that cannot be replaced!
There isn't even an Ultimate god in Mormonism...Nobody knows who the gods are that were part of the council which appointed the god of this world -- a former man, say Mormons.
So there's not even any Ultimate Authority in Mormonism!
Consider the source of this article. Salon is about as insanely leftist as you can get without being actually communist.
Salon’s next headline article will probably be something like this:
“Famous biologist says that if Romney is elected, flowers will not bloom.”
Oh, please, who does this author think he is fooling. Gladys Knight being a Mormon has nothing to do with why she will or will not vote for Mitt Romney. Gladys Knight being black has everything to do with why she most certainly will vote for Barack Obama. Put in terms that Mickey Cochran, Jessie Jackson and other black “leaders” could appreciate: “Racism is all right if your skin ain’t white.”
I might agree with everything you said. . but there are heresies in many other religious sects. Most of the day to day followers are not even aware of some of these anomalies. Our focus in this year’s election is not to castigate Mormonism. We have to extricate this marxist antiamerican President from the White House. Mitt is nowhere near my first choice for President, but he is a hundred times better than the opposition. Incidentally I lived in Mormon towns for several years out West. They were uniformly conservative, family-oriented people that that were charitable and good neighbors.
And this people is why the Democrats selected Romney as Obamas opponent.
I agree, and I thought the poster had really chopped up the article badly, then I found that bad hash was in the original.
But, I love Gladys Knight and I think it is interesting she’s a Mormon.
She doesn’t sound 100% decided (but, again, who can tell the writing is such a mess!), maybe Mitt can get her on board.
I don’t know exactly where you are coming from. First of all, Romney has won his delegates in republican primaries and was always considered to be the favorite. He had a well-financed, well-organized campaign that the others could not compete with. (incidentally, I voted for Rick). If we conservatives hardliners refuse to vote for Romney, we are giving the marxist-in-chief another 4 years to destroy America. The result will be trillions in additional debt, turning our back on Israel, putting pro-abort, pro global pro-elastic clause Supreme Court Justices on the bench. Also the Rev. Wright wasn’t exactly a main stream evangelical.
So now we are happy to promote Salon’s effort to demoralize Republicans, all because we hate Mormons that much? Got it.
By Gladys Knight’s comment, then Barack Obama should never be president because he would give a false impression of black people and would interfere with their “true mission.” Bogus.
Face the facts, colofornian: all religions can get really nutty! Christians are no different.
Robert Tilton has been my hero. Oh, the prayer cloths, the commercials, the acting; he is a wonderful example of today’s Christian. But, he’s forgiven!
The Christians I know have this idea that they are forgiven, so they can sin all they want! What Ten Commandments? They are nothing more than suggestions to a good believer! If the believers kiss up to the Boss enough, especially by attacking what they see as false idols, they gain more brownie points!
Is that what you’re doing?
Before you reply with pings to your cadre of religious brownshirts, please understand one thing that’s hard for your cult to get through their heads: I am not defending the LDS people — I’m attacking your absence of logic. Your foundations are without proof. You are arguing that one concept is a sham while assuming that yours is not; but your beliefs are unproven as well.
There has always been a big problem when people attach their egos to their beliefs. It’s a reason why so many people think Republicans are religious nutcases. You vehemently argue things that can’t be proven. It hurts conservatism.
So, you have no *proof* that you’re right or they are wrong. Despite that, you continue with your bearing false witness? How can you do that? Hmmm...oh, I almost forgot: You’re forgiven!
Dittos to your opinion of Salon, which may more correctly be called “Saloon” (emphasis on “loon”), considering the amount of logic and decorum they maintain. Except for the number of profanities expressed, they are of the same intellectual stripe as “Democratic Underground”.
It's the Freeper Inquisition!
The Mormons have never been politically monolithic, and that may have even cost Joe Smith his life.
Back east, Joe was put on the hot seat by local politicians who demanded to know what political side the Mormons were on. One party plain didn’t like Mormons, but the other said it would not oppress them if the Mormons voted for them and they won. A real devil’s bargain.
So, in exchange for “tolerance” from one party, he promised the Mormon vote to them. But this was before the “Australian” (secret) ballot, and the actual vote was split.
So both parties had it in for the Mormons. Time to bug out.
In any event, this remains the great secret of Mormons, that despite their social conservatism, they just will not become politically monolithic. There is still a sizable block of liberal Mormons who consistently vote for people opposed to everything their religion stands for.
Not what I expected :)
Religious affiliation in the U.S. Affiliation % of U.S. population
Evangelical Protestant 26.3
Mainline Protestant 18.1
Black church 6.9
Such a huge loss. /s
Sadly, this particular post from Salon could easily be construed by those visiting FR to say as much if not more about the those buying into and posting this article, as it does about the source and its information.
Is this what we have come to on FR? Posts from Salon to make our points on a conservative forum. Really?
There was a time posts from Salon were not allowed for precisely this reason. Not to mention the appearance it casts on FR as a whole.
Clearly, this has much more to do with putting down the LDS faith and those who adhere to it than it does about anything dealing with conservative politics.
Sad...and since there is so much push back here, I can name about eight posters who will be along shortly and fill this thread with 300-400 posts to try and silence those who do not agree with it and question its sourse.
A sad day for FR, IMHO. Who’d a thunk it?
AMERICA AT THE CROSSROADS OF HISTORY
Mitt Romney is having a terrible impact on how we are perceived,
On the other hand there is Harry Reed. Oh, wait.
The sad part is it will just be unrelated giant pictures of people in dress shirts, random colorized Bible verses, and generally nothing that contributes to a healthy discussion.
It would be a lot easier to have a discussion, or even respect their cult, if they ever posted what they actually believed. But all I can gather from their posting is they dont like Mormons and they know how to copy and paste Bible verses and pictures.
Yes. Yes. and Yes.
“Is this what we have come to on FR? Posts from Salon to make our points on a conservative forum. Really?”
Is this what we’ve come to in the GOP? Advancing a candidate who’s record is to the left of Bill Clinton? Really?
Enjoy your November primary, Democrats. I have no stake in it at all.
If there is anyone who reads this article who does not immediately understand it was funded by Obama reelection forces is a fool
Actually we all voted in the GOP primaries or will be soon enough. Romney knocked out all the other candidates. Romney is becoming the nominee fair and square whether you like or not.
Living in reality is sometimes very painful, but in the end it is better than ending up in a mental ward from living in a consistent fantasy of delusion.
No advocating of Romney here. He is probably the worst GOP nominee ever. But, Obama is much worse and will be the ruin of the Republic if he has another 4 years to drive the debt to over 20 trillion, destroy more economies, control more of the entire society like the good little marxist he is, gut the military, ally with enemies to eveything we styand for like the Muslim brotherhood, allow abject racists calling for blood in the streets and race war to go free, etc., etc.
I have no problem pointing out Romnety’s falacies and seeking a strong House and Senate to keep him in line, which we must have in any case.
But wee will not keep Obama in line and now, articles like this carry his water to help him get elected.
Just my opinion.
Why don’t we wait and see what MSNBC says about what CNN says about what Salon says? Then we’ll really be cooking with a massive surplus of journalistic integrity and truthfulness.
No. It has turned from people who do not want to vote for or promote Romney (which is none of my business as they can do what they want and Jim feels this way so hey, it's his website) too a group that is now moving into the realm of doing the hand work of the Obama campaign. It is one thing to say we will not promote, but it is another to be working for the enemy. When the nomination is official these post on FRee Republic will be officially the work of the Obama campaign.
I agree 100%. I am not a Romney zealot — never have and likely never will be. IMHO, he’s a plastic man with little soul and no heart.
BUT, even on his worst day, he is a million times better than Barack Obama. Obama is a died-in-the-wool Marxist and a bitter racist. If he is reelected, those who love our nation are going to cry for the mountains and rocks to fall upon us (Rev. 6:16). In fact, the onslaught has already begun.
Yep...this is what we are trying to avoid four more damning years of:
The Man Who Despies America
The Audacity of Truth about Barack Hussein Obama
How Marxism comes to America
Islamic Infiltration of the Obama White Hosue
You posted something from radical left wing Salon here ?!
Who are you working for Obama ????
Salon ,Your kidding ???
It’s a left wing nutter site !
Jeff, I have visited your website and read your articles — all of which are excellent. More so than anyone else out there, you have stripped away the varnish and revealed the essence of Obama’s character and agenda.
Barack Obama is a Marxist. He is a bitter and ruthless racist. And he is alien to everything for which America has always stood.
If those of us here on FR are in any way instrumental in returning that monster to the White House, we will rue the day we did so.
I appreciate what you have said, and I understand your valuing your relationship with your racist friend. I do not, however, agree that most Americans vote their “prejudices.” In fact, i think most Americans eschew their prejudices in deference to their sacred duty to protect and defend our Constitution.
Unfortunately, that is not the case today with the vast majority of black Americans.
Take Lovee Smith for instance, the coach of the Chicago Bears. He has openly called upon all blacks to vote for Barack Obama solely because Obama is a fellow black. Now, can you imagine what would happen if John Harbaugh called upon all whites to vote for Mitt Romney solely because Mitt is white?
Lovee Smith — like far too many blacks today — is a bigoted racist. He is voting his prejudice and encouraging other black racists to do the same.
I know of no white person in a position of leadership is who doing the same.
So, no, everyone does not vote his or her prejudices. Some still make rational decisions.
I am not suggesting I will not vote for Romney. It is the conservative most conservative in the primaries and the Republican candidate in the general.
The point I was making is that Romney was the chosen candidate before the primaries even started. He was the candidate that Obama had the best chance of beating. That is what the MSM set up, it is what the DNC set up and it is what the establishment RINOS set up.
I read here that Americans were given the choice. No, when your options are taken away from you and you are left with dog food or cat food, that isn’t much of a choice. Cain was ahead. You saw what they did to him. As well as Perry. Both candidates who would have been better for America than Romney.
The guy has nothing to offer.
I understand the general turn on FR in the direction you wrote. But I was commenting specifically to the OP of this thread. There is a group for whom Mormonism is the only thing they care about, and now they will use a website like Salon just to attack a religion.
Mitt and his cronies can bring this to a big screeching halt right now by dropping out.
You will not be missed.
“When the nomination is official these post on FRee Republic will be officially the work of the Obama campaign.”
You are a slanderer and a liar, but then that is the norm for the neo-GOP. Indeed slander and lies (and cash) are the whole engine for the Willard nomination.
More adjectives!!! More hyperbole!!! You didnt use enough. Oh, and proof of your accusation might be nice too. But definitely more adjectives!!!
Actually they are nouns. Biscuit for your perfomance though.
Hold your breath, the announcement should be coming over the wires any second now.
Neo is a noun? I said you needed more. You didnt use enough. More adjectives mean you really really really believe what you say.
One was sufficient for my point. It has you barking at the end of your chain.
Mitt gives $7 million a year to the Mormon Church. I wonder if these isolated critics contribute at least 10% of their earnings to the church they profess to speak for.
These are the Harry Reid wing of Mormonism.
They'll cheat to win too.
Four more years of Obama and the country is finished. Obamacare will be implemented, which will be the final nail in the coffin of this country. And there will be an amnesty.
We need a REAL Republican and a REAL Conservative to run for Presidency. Going out there with our weakest possible candidate is STUPID!
No, actually, I did not hear that. You no doubt have actually asked them, the vast majority of voters there, and concluded that to be the case, i am impressed.
They'll cheat to win too.
Yeah, probably so. After all, they do have the market on satanic rituals, eating aborted babies, spreading leprosy to the unwashed masses, and lying on their tax forms under control and mastered.