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Minister Critical of Romney and 'Mormon Cult' Suggests Third-Party Options [Obama slammed, too]
Christian Post ^ | May 2, 2012 | Stoyan Zaimov

Posted on 05/04/2012 5:36:22 AM PDT by Colofornian

Christian minister Bill Keller of LivePrayer.com, who has frequently spoken out on the so-called dangers of voting for presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney in this year's general election due to his Mormon faith, suggests that the only real option for Christian voters are third-party candidates.

Keller recently compared the choice of voting for Mitt Romney or for President Barack Obama as "flipping a coin where Satan is on both sides."

"How can anyone who claims to be a follower of Christ vote for our current president who in every word and deed has proven to be a true enemy of God on every major spiritual issue of the day," asked Keller, who has been just as critical of Romney and his Mormon faith.

"The Republican choice will be a member of the satanic Mormon cult who will never have to say a word for his cult to take advantage of their ultimate goal since they were founded 200 years ago, and that is to gain mainstream acceptance, giving them all the ammunition they need to aggressively seek converts to their cult's beliefs," Keller said.

The Internet evangelist explained in a phone interview with The Christian Post Tuesday that he was not telling people who to vote for, but was encouraging Christians to consider spiritual issues besides politics. He said voters should consider all options, including third parties, during the general election.

"Some say it is throwing your vote away, but no – by considering all candidates, you can fulfill your duty of voting, but not have to choose between Romney and Obama," the minister expressed.

Third-party candidates rarely do well in presidential elections, and no such nominee in the 2008 presidential election received more than five percent of the vote, according to the Federal Election Commission.

For the 2012 presidential elections, it appears Gary E. Johnson, the former governor of New Mexico, will be the Libertarian Party's nominee. Johnson has revealed that he expects to win more Democratic votes than Republican ones come November because of his firm stance on issues like same-sex marriage, which he says President Obama has failed to protect.

When asked by CP of his opinion on a possible third-party candidate, Keller suggested the Constitution Party.

"I think the Constitution Party candidate is on the ballot in all 50 states... [I] don't know anything about the person they are running...but it has usually been a very Christian candidate in years past," he said.

The official website of the Constitution Party identifies former member of the U.S. House of Representatives Virgil Goode as its 2012 nominee for the presidential race. Goode has served in Congress both as a Democrat and a Republican.

Keller also criticized prominent pastors, such as Joel Osteen of Lakewood Church, who recently appeared on CNN's "The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer" and said, "Mormonism is a little different, but I still see them as brothers in Christ."

The Texas minister insisted that he fully trusts that Romney is indeed a true and faithful Christian.

"When I hear Mitt Romney say that he believes that Jesus is the Son of God – that he's the Christ, raised from the dead, that he's his Savior – that's good enough for me," said Osteen.

Keller, however, said that those were false testaments.

"There is not one theologian in the country with half a brain that will even begin to say that a Mormon is a Christian, because if you study Mormon theology – it is 100 percent inconsistent with biblical Christianity. A Mormon is no more a Christian than a Muslim is," he said.

"I have a lot of connections out West with ministries that help Mormons leave that cult and they've been working for over a year preparing for a Romney presidency – because this is what they need to make their cult mainstream. And we have such a weak and watered down church system – we have idiots like Joel Osteen running around making dangerous comments that Mormons are Christians. You have got to be a theological midget to say that. We have such weak, gutless preachers like Osteen, Rick Warren, who compromise the truth and are basically biblically illiterate." the minister alleged.

He added, "Most Christians don't even know what Mormons believe – and from the impression I'm getting, Mitt Romney will never have to say a word about it. This cult is going to be in full-on attack mode.

"I said back in November – if the choice in this election comes down to Obama and Romney, this means that God's blessing and God's hand is off this nation. God has finally had enough – and who can blame Him? Look at the way we treat God – it's amazing to me it hasn't happened earlier."

The minister has long warned against what he sees as a rise of Mormonism, and in 2007 made similar comments regarding Romney and those who were considering voting for him in the 2008 presidential election.

In an interview with Fox News host Bill O'Reilly on "The O'Reilly Factor" back in 2007, Keller insisted that voting for Romney would send souls to hell. O'Reilly, a conservative Roman Catholic, accused Keller of making comments that were "irresponsible, un-Christian, uncharitable, and flat out wrong."

According to a 2011 poll from the Public Religion Institute, 53 percent of voters said they would be somewhat or very comfortable with a Mormon serving as president, however, 42 percent said that a Mormon president would make them somewhat or very uncomfortable.

A study by the Pew Forum on Mormons in America revealed in January that followers of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) still largely feel discriminated against by American society.

Despite these views, well over half, or 63 percent of those who responded to the Pew Forum survey, said they believe that acceptance of Mormonism is on the rise. In addition, 74 percent of Mormons shared that they support the Republican Party.


TOPICS: Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: billkeller; inman; lds; mittromney; mormon
From the article: Christian minister Bill Keller of LivePrayer.com, who has frequently spoken out on the so-called dangers of voting for presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney in this year's general election due to his Mormon faith, suggests that the only real option for Christian voters are third-party candidates. Keller recently compared the choice of voting for Mitt Romney or for President Barack Obama as "flipping a coin where Satan is on both sides." "How can anyone who claims to be a follower of Christ vote for our current president who in every word and deed has proven to be a true enemy of God on every major spiritual issue of the day," asked Keller, who has been just as critical of Romney and his Mormon faith. "The Republican choice will be a member of the satanic Mormon cult who will never have to say a word for his cult to take advantage of their ultimate goal since they were founded 200 years ago, and that is to gain mainstream acceptance, giving them all the ammunition they need to aggressively seek converts to their cult's beliefs," Keller said.

It'll be open PR season on the young and the spiritually vulnerable and gullible. The Mormon church will try to make Mitt Romney their "Jackie Robinson" and use all of their new non-Mormon apologists to help forge their way into new contacts and new proselytes/converts.

From the article: He added, "Most Christians don't even know what Mormons believe – and from the impression I'm getting, Mitt Romney will never have to say a word about it. This cult is going to be in full-on attack mode. "I said back in November – if the choice in this election comes down to Obama and Romney, this means that God's blessing and God's hand is off this nation. God has finally had enough – and who can blame Him? Look at the way we treat God – it's amazing to me it hasn't happened earlier."

I agree here: Come November, when God reviews that potentially 98-99% of Americans either voted for a closet Muslim or a man who claims to be a rival "god" of THE God [Temple Mormons believe they are "gods-in-embryo"] -- when up to 98-99% of Americans voted for one of two big-government, socialistic healthcare, pro-abortion LIBERALS, I don't think that is "moving" God to bless this nation!

From the article: "Some say it is throwing your vote away, but no – by considering all candidates, you can fulfill your duty of voting, but not have to choose between Romney and Obama," the minister expressed...When asked by CP of his opinion on a possible third-party candidate, Keller suggested the Constitution Party. "I think the Constitution Party candidate is on the ballot in all 50 states... [I] don't know anything about the person they are running...but it has usually been a very Christian candidate in years past," he said. The official website of the Constitution Party identifies former member of the U.S. House of Representatives Virgil Goode as its 2012 nominee for the presidential race.

Yup. Here's a slogan: "That's Goode enough for me!"

1 posted on 05/04/2012 5:36:27 AM PDT by Colofornian
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From the article: Keller also criticized prominent pastors, such as Joel Osteen of Lakewood Church, who recently appeared on CNN's "The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer" and said, "Mormonism is a little different, but I still see them as brothers in Christ." The Texas minister insisted that he fully trusts that Romney is indeed a true and faithful Christian...Keller, however, said that those were false testaments. "There is not one theologian in the country with half a brain that will even begin to say that a Mormon is a Christian, because if you study Mormon theology – it is 100 percent inconsistent with biblical Christianity. A Mormon is no more a Christian than a Muslim is," he said. "I have a lot of connections out West with ministries that help Mormons leave that cult and they've been working for over a year preparing for a Romney presidency – because this is what they need to make their cult mainstream. And we have such a weak and watered down church system – we have idiots like Joel Osteen running around making dangerous comments that Mormons are Christians. You have got to be a theological midget to say that.

(Perhaps Osteen can go on a lecture tour, telling us how fundamentalist Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Scientologists, etc. are also representative of "Christianity")

2 posted on 05/04/2012 5:39:44 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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From the article, this slam on Obama and his voter-followers: "How can anyone who claims to be a follower of Christ vote for our current president who in every word and deed has proven to be a true enemy of God on every major spiritual issue of the day," asked Keller...
3 posted on 05/04/2012 5:41:28 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Colofornian
2 Chronicles 7:14

Our ONLY HOPE.

The ONLY difference tween Myth, and Bozo is skin color!

4 posted on 05/04/2012 5:50:16 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Colofornian

“Back in March, I clearly was hearing God’s voice as He spoke to me about this recent Presidential election and that President Bush would not be re-elected and why. I come to you this morning to ask your forgiveness. God is never wrong, I clearly was.” - Bill Keller

http://www.liveprayer.com/ddarchive3.cfm?id=1981


5 posted on 05/04/2012 5:50:50 AM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: Colofornian

All this talk of third parties is making Dem lurkers smile - its their only hope!


6 posted on 05/04/2012 5:52:51 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Colofornian

When the guy is right, he is right. We are flipping a coin with two Satans onit.

Neither candidate is worth a pint of pee.


7 posted on 05/04/2012 5:53:12 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Last Dakotan
All this talk of third parties is making Dem lurkers smile

We smiled twelve years ago. Without Ralph Nader Al Gore would have been president.

2000- Republicans: "Go Nader Go!" Result: Bush wins Florida and the general election

8 posted on 05/04/2012 5:57:00 AM PDT by Kinder Gentler Machinegun Hand
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To: Last Dakotan
All this talk of third parties is making Dem lurkers smile - its their only hope!

You underestimate the other dynamic at work over the next half-year: The MSM Vetting of Mitt Romney.

It'll be a fireworks you haven't seen before.

And they won't even have to (very often) stretch the truth.

Oh, sure. We can expect the usual class envy. [Their ideology will come out here]

And then there's the referendum on Mitt's racism. [Oh, sure their ideology will come out here, too, but they won't even have to lie about it...Mitt & Mormonism provides an invitational natural "open door"]

Etc. etc.

By the time late Oct. rolls around, I think Romney will tank in the polls...unless the economic has tanked so bad that it won't batter for Obama...he'd then lose no matter what third-party votes there were!

9 posted on 05/04/2012 6:05:10 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Colofornian
Were all sinners.However,when we come to Christ and except Him as are Lord and Savior,be baptized we are reborn anew.
We think differently,were more conscious of truth. Not what feels good.People went instant gratification.People don't stand on principle anymore.The author is absolutely right.Most everything is watered down.Truth is hard.Deception is so easy.I will not vote for Romney. Period.
10 posted on 05/04/2012 6:09:34 AM PDT by ivory49
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To: Last Dakotan
It is why they wanted us to “pick” Mitt. They knew as did I, that the Christian vote would be neutralized with Romney as our nominee.
12 posted on 05/04/2012 6:14:54 AM PDT by John 3_19-21 (More voices, more power.)
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To: JoeDetweiler
"“Back in March, I clearly was hearing God’s voice as He spoke to me about this recent Presidential election and that President Bush would not be re-elected and why. I come to you this morning to ask your forgiveness. God is never wrong, I clearly was.” - Bill Keller"

What's worse than a religious zealot nutcase "clearly" mistaking the voice in his head for God?

The fundie dufus' that follow him around.

13 posted on 05/04/2012 6:17:41 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Andrew loved the battle and he knew the stakes." ~ Mark Levin 3/2/12)
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To: Colofornian

Great!! Not.

Looks like it will be a summer for the religious zealots to hold forth and pound their pulpits while revealing their thinly veiled bigotry.


14 posted on 05/04/2012 6:18:13 AM PDT by citizen (Obama blames:arab spring,banks,big oil,bush,ceos,christians,coal,FNC,Jpn tsumani,T Party,wall st,you)
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To: Colofornian

Of the myriad of reasons to run a third-party candidate against Mitt Romney, “Because he’s a Mormon” would not make the top 100.


15 posted on 05/04/2012 6:23:32 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Colofornian
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Turner-Romney-CNN-president/2012/05/03/id/437981?s=al&promo_code=ED1F-1

Ted Turner: Romney Would Make Good President
Thursday, 03 May 2012
By Martin Gould

Mitt Romney “would probably make a good president,” liberal icon Ted Turner says in an appearance on the network that fired him on Thursday night.

Making an appearance on CNN’s “Piers Morgan Tonight,” the station’s founder refused to endorse either Romney or President Barack Obama, but says that he has no problems with the GOP’s presumptive candidate.

“He’s a real gentleman,” he says according to a partial transcript released by the show. “I think he’s been very successful. I think he’s really smart. And I don’t agree with everything that he believes, but I agree with a lot of it. And I think that he’d probably make a good president.”

Turner created CNN in 1980, but after it merged with Time Warner he was gradually eased out of power before finally resigning from the board in 2006. He said he wanted the station to be “The New York Times” of cable news, as opposed to others which could be more like the New York Daily News.

“That doesn't mean you don't cover Hollywood and don't cover kidnappings and the sensational, too, but the emphasis should be on hard news.

“I thought that for the long-term, that would be the best position to be in, even if the ratings weren't the greatest,” Turner added. “If you had the most prestige, and you were the network that everybody turned to in times of a crisis, that was the most important position, in the news business, to hold.”

Turner, who said he was worth more than $7 billion at his peak, admitted that he has never gotten over third wife Jane Fonda. “When you love somebody and you really love them, you never stop loving them, no matter how hard you try. You can’t and there’s nothing wrong with that.

“I lost Jane. I lost my job here. I lost my fortune, most of it,” he added. “I have a billion or two left — you can get by on that if you economize.”

Turner wasn’t the only A-list guest due to appear with Morgan on Thursday. Former President George W. Bush also made a rare appearance, In the Keeping America Great segment.




16 posted on 05/04/2012 6:24:29 AM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: citizen
Looks like it will be a summer for the religious zealots to hold forth and pound their pulpits while revealing their thinly veiled bigotry.

Sounds like you're rather intolerant of those who actually religiously adhere to the reality that counterfeit Christianity (otherwise known as "cults") exist. Wanna then explain where you get your license for practicing intolerance of others' religious expressions?

Why do you assign yourself some "high ground" where you can frown upon other religious expressions...when those speakers (also posters) are simply expressing their religious views?

Doesn't alleged "bigotry" = intolerance.

If you're so supposedly anti-intolerance, why is your intolerance slip showing so bad in your post?

The previous Mormon "prophet" -- Gordon B. Hinckley -- went on the Larry King show [King was a Mormon ally because he married one] in 1998 to claim that fundamentalist (polygamous) Mormons don't exist, claiming there was no such thing. [He was trying to define boundaries as to who was and who wasn't a "Mormon."]

What's interesting is that I've yet to hear anybody of your ilk -- those making similar claims to yours -- ever condemn this Mormon "prophet" for his intolerance/"bigotry" toward fundamentalist Mormons.

Why no equal-opportunity condemnations from you and other self-appointed members of the bigot patrol?

Where are you when thousands of FR comments condemn Obama for his Muslim ties or his Rev. Wright ties?

Why don't you condemn those FREEPERs over "thinly-veiled bigotry?"

Could the answer be that you're one of the common dual-faced religious hypocrites that tends to show up on these threads?

17 posted on 05/04/2012 6:30:55 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Colofornian

I won’t deny that Romney is in for a tough time with the media, but Obama is a weaker candidate than you fear.


18 posted on 05/04/2012 6:32:33 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: jimt; Colofornian
The Revvvvvvverand Keller is also a habitual guest on the Howard Stern show.
19 posted on 05/04/2012 6:33:20 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“Of the myriad of reasons to run a third-party candidate against Mitt Romney, “Because he’s a Mormon” would not make the top 100.”

Remember that cultist are afraid of other cultist. TV-, mega-churches are often just cults hiding under the cloak of respectable religious institutions. Live across the street form one of the TV variety and if it isn’t a cult it’s Stockholm syndrome.


20 posted on 05/04/2012 6:34:48 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Colofornian
Great idea! Let's split the Republican/Conservative vote and let Obama back into the White House! If BO gets a second term we can kiss this once great USA goodbye. He will be unfettered in his destruction. Don't say we can rein him in if we get the House and Senate. He has shown he doesn't care what the People want. He will Executive Order everything he hasn't been able to achieve and the USA will be toast crumbs.
21 posted on 05/04/2012 6:35:05 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Of the myriad of reasons to run a third-party candidate against Mitt Romney, “Because he’s a Mormon” would not make the top 100.

To run one?

Doesn't matter. The Constitution Party has run one for several elections now despite who the GoP had.

But to vote for a third-party because of Romney's Mormonism?

Different story.

All kinds of reasons to NOT vote for Romney...
...liberal
...big govt socialistic healthcare pioneer
...pro-abortion
...pro-global warming
...pro liberal judge appointment track record
...untrustworthy
...if he lacks discernment in what he thinks is the most important area of his life, how gullible will he be in foreign policy issues?

That last one dovetails with his Mormonism.

As does the reality that if Obama declared himself Messiah II, that, too, would be worth considering...(temple Mormons deem themselves to be "gods in embryo" on their way to full-grown godhood)

Also, not very inspiring when a temple Mormon deems you the voter to be a Christian "apostate"...kind of exactly like Muslims who believe that Christians are "infidels"...

Sorry...neither one is inspiring to us Christian voters.

I pass on Romney and Obama.

22 posted on 05/04/2012 6:41:58 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: originalbuckeye

>>>>Great idea! Let’s split the Republican/Conservative vote and let Obama back into the White House!<<<

The RINO’s, GOP establishment, and ignorant or weak willed “conservatives” have split the Republican/Conservative vote by nominating a LIBERAL, PRO-ABORTION, ANTI-GUN, PRO-ILLEGAL, PRO-HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA, BIG GOVERNMENT, SOCIALIST, who as governor created a SOCIALIZED MEDICINE program.

THEY chose 4 more years for Obama, not us!

We didn’t leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left us.


23 posted on 05/04/2012 6:46:23 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The candidate I vote for will NOT have a CARE after his name.)
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To: preacher
“I have a billion or two left — you can get by on that if you economize.”

I dunno Ted, it'd be hard.

24 posted on 05/04/2012 6:59:11 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.)
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To: citizen
Looks like it will be a summer for the religious zealots to hold forth and pound their pulpits while revealing their thinly veiled bigotry.

If you have a religion, other than mormonism, you are an apostate gentile and therefore damned, according to mormons. Now you may or may not care what mormons think about you or your religion but you gotta admit, that's "bigotry" (and not even "thinly" veiled at that).

25 posted on 05/04/2012 7:05:34 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.)
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To: Colofornian

The lds-org denies that Jesus is the Creator, that everything was created BY Him.

The lds-org is a thief of the Name and the Truth of Jesus Christ.

26 posted on 05/04/2012 7:18:15 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: starlifter

I think he’s a shill for Obama.


27 posted on 05/04/2012 7:40:29 AM PDT by mimaw
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To: Above My Pay Grade
Yes. But I will not help Obama completely destroy this once great USA. I acknowledge that the vast majority of this country is not as Conservative as I. I WILL NOT help Obama win. The Republican Establishment won the nomination process this time. Don't pretend the country elected Reagan because it was more Conservative then. He played to the Middle, too. I am not a Romney fan but will vote for him hoping he will become more Conservative in office, like Reagan.
28 posted on 05/04/2012 7:48:01 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: Above My Pay Grade
“I didn’t leave the Democratic Party. The party left me.” Ronald Reagan, 1962

“I didn’t leave the Republican Party. The party left me.” Ronald Reagan, 2012


29 posted on 05/04/2012 9:07:41 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: originalbuckeye; Colofornian; All
Yes. But I will not help Obama completely destroy this once great USA.

Which is worse long-term for this nation? The direct frontal assault on our country by Obama with the conservative wing of the Republican Party still a viable force of oppostion or the subtle assault on the nation by Romney while he and the GOP-e disable the conservative wing of the party? On what major political issue is there a substantive difference between Obama and Romney?

I'll not be party to either man destroying our nation. Like Colofornian, Romney's Mormonism plays a very small factor in my opposition to him. Mitt Romney is among a small handful of liberals Republicans in the almost 50 years I been following politics which under no circumstance would I vote for. I wouldn't vote for Mitt Romney is he and his family were evangelical Christians and part of my local church body.

Too all on this thread: What's the deal with the ad hominen attacks on this pastor? I don't know anything about this guy but we're supposed to be dealing with what he said, not what he is. The worst human being in the world can be right sometimes. The "two sides of the Satan coin" statement might be stated without tact but I don't see how a Christian can come to any other conclusion that in God's eyes, these are two Godless men and enemies of His Church.

30 posted on 05/04/2012 9:17:54 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Obama vs. Romney - clear evidence that our nation has been judged by God and found wanting.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

31 posted on 05/04/2012 11:25:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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