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Melinda Gates: Poster billionaire for how a rotten Catholic education...
The Catholic World Report ^ | 8 May 2012 | Carl E. Olson

Posted on 05/08/2012 7:14:12 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham

Melinda Gates: Poster billionaire for how a rotten Catholic education...

May 08, 2012 04:03 EST

By Carl E. Olson

... ends up promoting and spreading the culture of death—worldwide. Via The Daily Mail:

Facing backlash from the Catholic Church on an already controversial issue, Bill Gates' wife Melinda announced this week that contraception will be the primary goal of their foundation, with plans to revolutionize it globally.

And from the May 7th Newsweek piece, "Melinda Gates' New Crusade: Investing Billions in Women's Health":

There’s currently very little investment in contraceptive research and development. The single biggest funder, Darmstadt says, is the U.S. government, through the National Institutes of Health. “It’s an area that’s really kind of stagnated,” he says. “One of the things that we see that we can do is to try to really stimulate that space.”

For reproductive-health advocates, this is terrific news. For some conservatives, though, it will likely seem almost dystopian. Indeed, in response to an item about contraceptive research on the Gates Foundation website, The Catholic Herald’s Phillips wrote, “A horrid image comes to mind, of white-coated boffins hard at work in diabolical laboratories, devising new ways of depriving men and women of their conjugal dignity, their culture and their traditions.”

Yet Gates can take comfort in the fact that even if the church hierarchy and its traditionalists don’t support what she’s doing, plenty of ordinary Catholics do. During her TEDxChange talk, she spoke of the Ursuline nuns who taught at her Dallas Catholic high school, nuns who “made service and social justice a high priority.” Through her work with the foundation, Gates said, “I believe that I’m applying the lessons that I learned in high school.”

Within an hour of returning to her hotel, she received a message from some of those nuns. “It was fantastic,” she says, her eyes misting for a moment. “They said, ‘We’re all for you. We know this is a difficult issue to speak on, but we absolutely believe that you’re living under Catholic values.’ And it was just so heartening."

That's a rather strange definition of "heartening": women religious involved in encouraging and promoting anti-human, anti-life, and anti-Catholic practices and perspectives around the world. (And how shocking to see that the Ursulines belong to the LCWR.) I am tempted to say that Gates has taken a very "cafeteria Catholic" approach to her beliefs and actions as a Catholic, but I have no need to; she openly admits such is her approach:

Perhaps more importantly, there’s her Catholic faith, which has always informed her work. “From the very beginning, we said that as a foundation we will not support abortion, because we don’t believe in funding it,” she says. She’s long disagreed with the church’s position on contraception, and the Gates Foundation did some family-planning funding early in its history. Still, she went through a lot of soul-searching before she was ready to champion the issue publicly.“I had to wrestle with which pieces of religion do I use and believe in my life, what would I counsel my daughters to do,” she says. Defying church teachings was difficult, she adds, but also came to seem morally necessary. Otherwise, she says, “we’re not serving the other piece of the Catholic mission, which is social justice.” [emphasis added]

Read the entire piece. In other words, Mrs. Gates believes it is imperative to disregard and disobey Catholic teaching in order to be true to Catholic teaching. And to think that some people are convinced that Catholics are irrational! Perhaps Mrs. Gates and the Sisters who taught her could spend a little time reading Evangelium Vitae, especially this passage:

It is frequently asserted that contraception, if made safe and available to all, is the most effective remedy against abortion. The Catholic Church is then accused of actually promoting abortion, because she obstinately continues to teach the moral unlawfulness of contraception. When looked at carefully, this objection is clearly unfounded. It may be that many people use contraception with a view to excluding the subsequent temptation of abortion. But the negative values inherent in the "contraceptive mentality"-which is very different from responsible parenthood, lived in respect for the full truth of the conjugal act-are such that they in fact strengthen this temptation when an unwanted life is conceived. Indeed, the pro- abortion culture is especially strong precisely where the Church's teaching on contraception is rejected.

And so forth.


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1 posted on 05/08/2012 7:14:19 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham

A fool and their money are soon parted.


2 posted on 05/08/2012 7:16:36 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: A.A. Cunningham

“Social justice” = Communism/Anti-Christian.


3 posted on 05/08/2012 7:21:51 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

:: “One of the things that we see that we can do is to try to really stimulate that space.” ::

Just what Sandra Fluke was looking for, I suppose.


4 posted on 05/08/2012 7:29:14 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Some things just don’t add up.

It might seem that, more contraceptive research, etc. will reduce abortion, and reduce the need for abortion.

But then, we have seen what has happened since the ‘60s, when our culture was transformed in many ways.

One way the culture was transformed had to do with sex behavior. Traditional ideas of sex morality were thrown out, replaced by the idea that it’s okay to have sex outside marriage, any number of partners, any gender of partners.

Against this backdrop, we also have readily available birth control. We have some birth control such as condoms available over the counter, without prescription. Yet, the real world experience has been that the incidence of abortion and out of wedlock childbirth are both very high, at a time of readily available contraception.

So what’s really going on? We changed the culture so that it’s okay to have sex anytime. We also have readily available contraception so that those who want to have sex are not “punished”, as Barack Obama might say, with a baby, as a consequence of what they have done.

Perhaps the real problem is not a lack of birth control pills, but a lack of values, or a lack of any morality?

But then, to be good liberals, apparently we’re not supposed to view any issue in any moral context. So with this issue, we don’t talk about the morality of the sex outside marriage, instead we talk of how do we prevent unwanted consequences of sex. We take for granted that the sex behavior will happen, and how do we deal with the life problems created, after the fact.


5 posted on 05/08/2012 7:34:01 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Maybe we have our Mystery Woman, our Whore of Babylon? I always believed that she would be a real, human woman with the power to lead the whole world astray...


6 posted on 05/08/2012 7:34:33 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: A.A. Cunningham

——“I had to wrestle with which pieces of religion do I use and believe in my life,——

Obviously poorly catechized. No notion of the teaching authority of the Church.


7 posted on 05/08/2012 7:41:29 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

There is another aspect of this (beyond the Catholic issues presented) which Ms Gates is missing.

Since day one ‘overpopulation’ has been presented as a problem that is caused by women. By focussing her efforts on women and contraception, Ms. Gates is allying herself with this paradigm:

Population = problem
Controlling women = solution

This is VERY dangerous for women’s human rights, as we have witnessed in China. Ends-justify-the-means tactics ALWAYS go after the people in society with less status and fewer rights ... hence women and children are frequent targets.

The Gates Foundation has done good work the world over with many of their programs ... yet they are turning onto a very dangerous path for women.

There is also the issue of cultural imperialism which is being ignored.

So, there are other criticisms of Ms Gates’ approach beyond those found in Catholic doctrine.


8 posted on 05/08/2012 7:44:39 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

-—But then, we have seen what has happened since the ‘60s, when our culture was transformed in many ways.

One way the culture was transformed had to do with sex behavior. Traditional ideas of sex morality were thrown out, replaced by the idea that it’s okay to have sex outside marriage, any number of partners, any gender of partners.

Against this backdrop, we also have readily available birth control.——

The Pill wasn’t the backdrop, but the cause.

The result was predicted:

Consequences of Artificial Methods

17. Responsible men can become more deeply convinced of the truth of the
doctrine laid down by the Church on this issue if they reflect on the
consequences of methods and plans for artificial birth control. Let them first
consider how easily this course of action could open wide the way for marital
infidelity and a general lowering of moral standards. Not much experience is
needed to be fully aware of human weakness and to understand that human beings—and
especially the young, who are so exposed to temptation—need incentives to
keep the moral law, and it is an evil thing to make it easy for them to break
that law. Another effect that gives cause for alarm is that a man who grows
accustomed to the use of contraceptive methods may forget the reverence due to a
woman, and, disregarding her physical and emotional equilibrium, reduce her to
being a mere instrument for the satisfaction of his own desires, no longer
considering her as his partner whom he should surround with care and affection.

Who can argue that this hasn’t happened?

The most astounding prediction:

Finally, careful consideration should be given to the danger of this power
passing into the hands of those public authorities who care little for the
precepts of the moral law. Who will blame a government which in its attempt to
resolve the problems affecting an entire country resorts to the same measures as
are regarded as lawful by married people in the solution of a particular family
difficulty? Who will prevent public authorities from favoring those
contraceptive methods which they consider more effective? Should they regard
this as necessary, they may even impose their use on everyone. It could well
happen, therefore, that when people, either individually or in family or social
life, experience the inherent difficulties of the divine law and are determined
to avoid them, they may give into the hands of public authorities the power to
intervene in the most personal and intimate responsibility of husband and wife.

-—Pope Paul VI, 1968 “Humanae Vitae”
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae_en.html


9 posted on 05/08/2012 7:57:00 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

All Leftists are utilitarians at heart. People are to be used to produce goods and wealth so their betters in government can bring about their utopian goals. People are disposable for the “common good.”

Christians live their lives by the standard Jesus set: “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. And you shall love your neighbor as you do yourself.”

This war between good and evil will go on until Jesus returns.


10 posted on 05/08/2012 8:11:23 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Mamzelle

You should see today’s Washington Post, full page ad inviting Catholics to renounce the faith and the Church because of contraception. Some outfit called Freedom From Religion, claiming to be a charity. It is a full fledged war. I don’t think our bishops get it yet.


11 posted on 05/08/2012 8:12:16 AM PDT by battlecry
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To: A.A. Cunningham

“contraception”

THAT makes a bad Catholic? Well, then, the author had better be prepared to label 99.9% of all Catholics as bad. My wife is Catholic and used contraception. So did her sisters and every female family member. I have never met a Catholic woman that didn’t.


12 posted on 05/08/2012 8:22:39 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Catholics who believe they can pick and choose what they want to agree with are no different than the non-Catholics who follow their own inclinations yet claim to be led by the Holy Spirit.

No matter what their intentions, denying that they are to be subject to those Christ has placed in authority over them is the first step in the worship of their Most High and Holy Self.

Just like those who refused to accept the priests Moses appointed, such folks are defying the will of God and proclaiming that they refuse to bear their cross and follow Christ. It's no surprise that such folks, who believe they can dictate terms to Christ, generally end up in league with the Humanist agenda at least to the extent that they're happy to help spread division among those Christians who do take up their cross and follow Christ.

Those burdens that are common to all mankind are not the cross we must bear. Our cross is the dead weight of self that has to be uprooted and then dragged along behind us as we try to live for Christ rather than for ourselves. Those who hold tight to beliefs that begin and end with self are on the broad highway to destruction no matter how they reinterpret Scripture to comfort themselves along the way.

13 posted on 05/08/2012 8:26:00 AM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: CodeToad

Birds of a feather flock together. Hang out with actual Catholics.


14 posted on 05/08/2012 8:28:53 AM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: battlecry
I don’t think our bishops get it yet.

When the Vice President of the United States, who publicly calls himself "Catholic", voices on national TV his support of same-sex marriage, and is not read the riot act by his local bishop, then you know the bishops don't get it.

Holy Matrimony is one of our Church's sacraments. It will be difficult for the laity to support it when the bishops sit on their hands.

15 posted on 05/08/2012 8:33:36 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It

“actual Catholics.”

Yeah, no Catholics unless you deem them to be. Right. Gotcha.


16 posted on 05/08/2012 8:59:48 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: A.A. Cunningham

When you have everything you want, then the problem becomes getting rid of the things you don’t want. She just thinks there are too many people and she wants to make them go away.


17 posted on 05/08/2012 9:18:34 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: CodeToad
If the shoe fits, kick yourself with it.

You've personally met all Catholic women?

18 posted on 05/08/2012 9:21:47 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: CodeToad

My wife and I NEVER have. Nice to meet you.


19 posted on 05/08/2012 9:42:18 AM PDT by OriginalChristian (The end of America, as founded, began when the first Career Politician was elected...)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Melinda Gates - She screwed her boss Bill and became very rich.


20 posted on 05/08/2012 9:50:11 AM PDT by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

“You’ve personally met all Catholic women?

I’ve met enough to know that for you or anyone else to call the ones I have met not Catholic is simply your ignorant opinion.


21 posted on 05/08/2012 10:04:38 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: OriginalChristian

“My wife and I NEVER have. Nice to meet you.”

Good for you, now go actually read the Bible and learn about not casting stones.

Unless you and your wife stopped having sex then without contraception you’d have several dozen kids as would all Catholics. They don’t have dozens of kids, so I bet a bunch of Catholics use contraception.


22 posted on 05/08/2012 10:07:46 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: CodeToad
No, it's not that 99.9% of Catholics are bad.

The number is 100%.

That's what we mean when we say, right out loud where others can hear us,

"I have gravely sinned,
In my thoughts and in my words,
in what I have done, and in what I have failed to do,
THrough my fault, through my fault,
Through my most grievous fault."

We have all fallen short of moral good; that only heightens the need for repentance.

Just as some of the most effective and convincing people in the prolife movement are post-abortive women, some of the most convincing people in the the --- call it Sexual Restoration --- movement are post-contraceptive women. We make up the growing cadre who used the barriers, the endocrine disruptors, the jellies & jams, foams and sprays, the coils and patches, implantables and injectables, realized what a crock it all is, and finally said "Goodbye to All That."

The trouble with Melinda Gates and many like her, is not that she is morally depraved (not knowingly), but that she is --- as yet --- so ignorant.

She could have gotten a clue early on, had she read "Humanae Vitae" 45 years ago --- and realized that the whole 2,000 year Christian consensus against contraception, sterilization and abortion is based on moral, psychological, and social realism.

But even without the advantage of papal teaching, it would be wonderful if she would do some serious research about the Sexual Revolution and find out what the negatives are of contraception. Why? Because contraception is the necessary and sufficient cause, the #1 enabling technology and ideology of the Sexual Revolution.

And I mean soul-destroying, marriage-destroying and civilization-destroying negatives. There are nations that will nor survive it.

23 posted on 05/08/2012 12:38:13 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What does the Lord require of you but to act justly, to love tenderly, to walk humbly with your God.)
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To: circlecity
So you're basically in opposition to teaching and promoting contraception in countries with horrendous poverty and over population, right?

I think you missed the key sentence in the article:

contraception will be the primary goal of their foundation, with plans to revolutionize it globally.

24 posted on 05/08/2012 12:47:55 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: Hot Tabasco
"I think you missed the key sentence in the article:"

I missed nothing.

25 posted on 05/08/2012 1:26:25 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity
I missed nothing.

Then you need to answer my question, here it is again:

So you're basically in opposition to teaching and promoting contraception in countries with horrendous poverty and over population, right?

26 posted on 05/08/2012 1:54:23 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: CodeToad

With all due respect, I’m not casting stones. You made the broad generalization at first, I answered truthfully, and I’m not alone. The fact that you’re somehow offended is not my problem. There are sanctioned ways to avoid pregnancy within a marriage without using artificial contraception.


27 posted on 05/08/2012 2:34:00 PM PDT by OriginalChristian (The end of America, as founded, began when the first Career Politician was elected...)
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To: Hot Tabasco
So you're basically in opposition to teaching and promoting contraception in countries with horrendous poverty and over population, right?

There's no such thing as "overpopulation" - one of the world's most densely populated countries is prosperous Japan. In a market-based economy, people can produce more than they consume, so greater population is no drain on net resources.

28 posted on 05/08/2012 2:49:54 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
In a market-based economy, people can produce more than they consume, so greater population is no drain on net resources.

We're not talking about economies, we're talking about "over population" and encouraging the use of contraceptives........You'll be hard pressed to explain that over population doesn't exist in India. I suppose if there's enough garbage left to be found, starvation isn't an issue either.......


29 posted on 05/08/2012 3:09:05 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: Hot Tabasco
"So you're basically in opposition to teaching and promoting contraception in countries with horrendous poverty and over population, right?"

Absolutely. Instead of ignorant feel-good brian dead liberal solutions like contraception you may try teaching them Christianity, farming, carpentry, animal husbandtry and other useful trades to lift them out of that poverty and the issue of overpopulation will disappear. Contraception has never accomplished anything in Africa despite at least 40 years of trying.

30 posted on 05/08/2012 3:15:38 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: Hot Tabasco
What I see in those pictures is lots of LIFE - created by God. Future souls in Heaven hopefully. Look past the garbage and look at the people, real souls here on Earth. A picture will not show what is in their hearts. They may be poor, but they may also be very content. You do not know and either do I what is in their hearts - only God knows.

Birth prevention is not the answer to individual, community, national or world problems because to use something evil to correct a situation - real or anticipated - is not the right answer to any problem. No amount of arguing, excusing or rationalizing can ever justify the deliberate violation of divine and natural laws.

31 posted on 05/08/2012 5:56:53 PM PDT by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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32 posted on 05/08/2012 6:19:36 PM PDT by narses
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To: Dilbert San Diego
We changed the culture so that it’s okay to have sex anytime.

We also made it difficult/impossible/untenable for the female to say "no". She is accused of "holding out", being a "tease" being "figid, etc., etc. "If you really loved me, you'd do it." Then, once they get on BC, they turn the tables on the male. Eventually the BC fails and they "need" an abortion. It goes round and round and younger and younger. Vicious cycle.

33 posted on 05/08/2012 6:45:57 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: CodeToad

Catholic women using contraception are CINO’s catholic in name only. If they think they are anything else they are mistaken and are risking losing heaven. Every single one of them needs a serious wake up call from the Lord God Almighty Himself, because at this point that is what it will take to get through their denial. BTW you have officially met a Catholic woman not using contraception. All it takes is faith in God. Been married 18 years. I have one child here on earth and 3 in heaven. I had to come to terms with the fact that God is in control cuz I sure would have loved to have all 4 of my kids here with me. Birth control is a delusion.


34 posted on 05/08/2012 7:08:09 PM PDT by UnRuley1
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To: Gerish
"What I see in those pictures is lots of LIFE - created by God."

God didn't create any of the life in those pics; their parents did.

35 posted on 05/08/2012 7:29:33 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: Hot Tabasco; Gerish; Mrs. Don-o; Dr. Sivana; JustSayNoToNannies; Salvation
Hot Tabasco:

Each and every person in your pictures is a precious and unique child of God. Each was created by God for His purposes. Not one of them has an obligation not to live so as to comfort you.

Mother Teresa spent her life working among such people and posed the question: "How can there be too many babies? That is like saying that there are too many flowers."

Perhaps you are jealous of folks with so many beautiful children?

Any "Catholic" you know who uses contraception to prevent conception of babies is self-excommunicated (latae sententiae) by unrepentant mortal sin: not because I say so but because the Teaching Magisterium of the Church and Canon Law say so. Any "Catholic" who imagines otherwise is a victim of poor catechesis but in grave sin nonetheless.

I am guessing from your posts that you are not Catholic. You don't have to be Catholic to understand Catholic doctrine. OTOH being non-Catholic is no guarantee that you understand Catholic doctrine either.

Melinda Gates is no more of a Catholic than was Ted Kennedy, than is Victoria Kennedy, Anthony or Mario Cuomo, Tom Daschle, Susan Collins, Rosa DeLauro, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, John (Did you know he served in Vietnam? But for which side?) Kerry, Patrick Leahy, the late Margaret Higgins Sanger (baptized at 13 at her own request at White Plains, NY, and left the Church one year later), Christopher Dodd, Pat Quinn, Dannell Malloy, Kirsten Gillibrand, Kathleen Gilligan Sebelius, Barbara Mikulski, Robert Menendez, Patty Murray, etc., just to name a few.

36 posted on 05/08/2012 10:02:23 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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To: Lorianne
G. K. has a question for Melinda:

Chesterton on birth control/population control:

In 1925 Chesterton wrote an introduction to Charles Dickens’ A Christmas Carol in which he said that “The answer to anyone who talks about the surplus population is to ask him, whether he is part of the surplus population; or if not, how he knows he is not.”


37 posted on 05/08/2012 10:11:10 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: battlecry

Sounds like the same outfit that put a full page ad in the New York Slimes back in February.

What’s their next target? LOL!


38 posted on 05/08/2012 10:13:03 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Night Hides Not

The Bishops do get it.

Biden is only a CINO. He will have to answer for his sins since he has self-excommunicated Joe from the Catholic Church.


39 posted on 05/08/2012 10:15:19 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: CodeToad

You know if you were saying that about Jewish women or Muslim women or Mexican women all in one bunch, you would be accused of discrimiunation and anti-semitism.

I guess we will settle for Catholic Bashing from you. Am I reading you right?


40 posted on 05/08/2012 10:17:18 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Hot Tabasco
You're talking about killing human lives with contraception, aren't you?

Please read some of this information to get your facts straight.

Melinda Gates: I’m Catholic and contraception is not controversial
Catholics Urged to Imitate St. Thomas More in Contraception Battle
Essays for Lent: Contraception

The Differences the Pill has Made
Pastors Preach Against Contraception From Pulpit
Catholics and Contraception: Boston, 1965
Abortion, Contraception and the Church Fathers (Catholic teaching unchanged for 2000 yrs)
Contraception and Catholicism (What the Roman Catholic Church really teaches)
6 Reasons Why Contraception is Sinful and Contrary to God's Will
Time To Admit It: The Church Has Always Been Right On Birth Control
Paul VI: “danger of this power passing into the hands of those public authorities ...”
The Truth about The Church's Teaching about Contraception.
Letter from Archbishop John G. Vlazny on the matter of freedom of conscience and decisions by HHS

Bishop Olmsted's Letter to Catholics [Catholic Caucus]
Liberty for the Amish & Quakers but not Catholics. . .
Contraception mandate prompts Peoria bishop to instate St. Michael Prayer (Catholic Caucus)
Phoenix bishop (Olmstead): defy feds on birth control
A letter from Archbishop Dennis M. Schnurr concerning HHS edict
Speak honestly: abortion is ‘the killing of tiny human beings in the womb’ – Denver bishop
Bishop [Daniel Jenky] Blasts Secularist Intolerance, Calls For ‘Assertive Action’ to Defend Church
(Pittsburgh Bishop Zubik comments:) HHS delays rule on contraceptive coverage
Dolan: Natural law, not religious preference, dictates all life sacred
Religious leaders blast HHS over contraception mandate

Mandated Contraception, Sterilization: Caesar Demands Church Violate Conscience
OBAMA’S CONTEMPT FOR RELIGIOUS LIBERTY (mandates coverage of sterilization & contraception)
Obama Admin Decides to Require Religious Institutions to Cover Free Contraception
Jews and Evangelicals stand with Church against contraception mandate
Obama Supporters Worried He May Grant Contraception Exemptions to Catholic Hospitals
Catholic college sues HHS over contraception mandate
Children of the Reformation: A Short & Surprising History of Protestantism & Contraception
Implications of Obama Admin move to force Cath hospitals to provide contraception and sterilizations
Catholic doctors’ group launches petition against contraception mandate
Contraception mandate tramples religious freedom, US bishops say

Planned Parenthood Cuts Contraception, Not Abortion After De-Funding
Contraception underlying cause of breakdown of family, sexual morality, says expert
Contraception: The Reason Catholics Have Abandoned Confession
U.S. Bishops’ Publication Urges Priests to Preach on Contraception, Sterilization, IVF
Contraception: The Bitter Pill
Catholic Bishops Warn of ‘Civil Disobedience’ Over Contraceptives [Philippines]
Relationships Market After 50 Years of The Pill
Contraception: The Bacteria Devouring America’s Soul
Christians examine morality of birth control [Ecumenical/Orthodox Presbyterian]
The Cost of Contraception: Women's Health - Response to CNN

The Connection between Contraception and Abortion
Baby Bust: The Demographics of Global Depression
The Surest Sign of a Decadent Culture
Protestants and Birth Control
The Protest of a Protestant Minister Against Birth Control
Contraception: Why Not?
The Bible & Birth Control
Our Gravest Moral Responsibility: Convert the Contraception Mentality
Contraception and Conversion
Evangelical Leaders are Ok with Contraception

The pill and 50 years of misery [the pill kills!]
The dawn of demonic deception [the birth control pill]
Researcher finds strong link between contraception and HIV
The Birth-Control Riddle
Social Science Proves Humanae Vitae
"Contraception Is Wrong. Now Here's How You Use It . . ."
Suit claims birth control warning not enough
Natural and Unnatural (father of 5 shocks mother of 1)
Planned Parenthood Uses Teens to Distribute Injectable Birth Control in Rural Ecuador
Study: Low-Dose Birth Control Pills Decrease Bone Density in Young Women
Spanish drug agency confirms grave effects of morning-after pill

Another Woman Dies of Hormonal Contraceptive in Switzerland
Study Finds Half of Women on "Birth Control Shot" Suffer Bone Problems
The Re-Birth of Population Control: Human Life Seen as a Carbon roblem
Radio Replies First Volume - Birth Control
Abortion, birth control pill linked to breast cancer, surgeon says
God before contraception (Australia)
Fighting the 'contraceptive mentality'
Birth control pill creator regrets population decline
Polluted Water, Polluted Culture (one more consequence from contraception)
Abortifacients -- The Other Forbidden Grief

NFP and Contraception: What’s the Difference?
Wisconsin requiring Catholic institutions to provide contraceptives coverage
Contraception: The history you may have missed and would rather not know
Why does Pope Benedict talk about Humanae vitae in the new encyclical? [Catholic Caucus]
New Evangelical Documentary Exposes Abortifacient Qualities of the Birth Control Pill, Promotes NFP
In Quiverfull Movement, Birth Control Is Shunned
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How Birth Control Changed America for the Worst
If You Are Contracepting, You Are Part of A Very Big Problem

Vatican and Italian government criticize sale of RU 486 in Italy
New Condom Ads Target Catholics, Latinos
St. Padre Pio, Humanae Vitae, and Mandatory Abortion
Responsible Parenthood in a Birth Control Culture, Part Two [Open]
Responsible Parenthood in a Birth Control Culture, Part One [Open]
Humanae Vitae and True Sexual Freedom — Part 6 of 6 [Open]
Contraception v. Natural Family Planning — Part 5 of 6 [Open]
Sex Speaks: True and False Prophets — Part 4 of 6 [Open]
Contraception and the Language of the Body — Part 3 of 6 [Open]
Does Contraception Foster Love? — Part 2 of 6 [Open]

Contraception and Cultural Chaos — Part 1 of 6 [Open]
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"Provoking reflection" (Contrasting views on Humanae Vitae)
Humanae Vitae The Year of the Peirasmòs - 1968
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[OPEN] The Vindication of Humanae Vitae
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THE EX CATHEDRA STATUS OF THE ENCYCLICAL "HUMANAE VITAE" [Catholic Caucus]
“A degrading poison that withers life”

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[Fr. Thomas Euteneuer] In Persona Christi: The Priest and Contraception
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A Challenging Truth, Part One: How Birth Control Works
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The concept of the "intrinsically evil"
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Abortion and Contraception: Old Lies
History of Catholic teaching on Contraception
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Contraception: Why It's Wrong
On Fox News Fearless HLI Priest Takes on Sean Hannity (may be indebted for saving his soul)
VIDEO - SEAN HANNITY vs REV. THOMAS EUTENEUER (must see!)
The Early Church Fathers on Contraception - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
Pope on divine love vs. erotic love
Conjugal Love and Procreation: God's Design
Being fruitful [Evangelicals and contraception]

41 posted on 05/08/2012 10:21:11 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: BlackElk

Good list!


42 posted on 05/08/2012 10:23:26 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: spunkets

God is the author of all life.


43 posted on 05/09/2012 4:44:48 AM PDT by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: spunkets; Gerish
Spuckets, I think you missed the part about the Holy Spirit being the "Lord and Giver of Life."

That's why we recognize these basic realities:

These are truths of the Judeo-Christian faith and realities of the Universe. Nothing's more basic than that.

44 posted on 05/09/2012 5:44:28 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What does the Lord require of you but to act justly, to love tenderly, to walk humbly with your God.)
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To: BlackElk
Great post, BlackElk. See also mine at #44.
45 posted on 05/09/2012 5:49:49 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What does the Lord require of you but to act justly, to love tenderly, to walk humbly with your God.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
[TEXT OMITTED BY HOT TABASCO: one of the world's most densely populated countries is prosperous Japan.] In a market-based economy, people can produce more than they consume, so greater population is no drain on net resources.

We're not talking about economies, we're talking about "over population" and encouraging the use of contraceptives........You'll be hard pressed to explain that over population doesn't exist in India.

Is the crowded street scene supposed to support your claim? Is even more crowded Japan "overpopulated"?

I suppose if there's enough garbage left to be found, starvation isn't an issue either.......

Once we're talking about starvation, we are talking about economies, contrary to your claim.

46 posted on 05/09/2012 11:17:45 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"# Human Life is Sacred. ...as a direct consequence, since it is made by the Divine Creator (in the case of the human soul, each one DIRECTLY and INDIVIDUALLY created) in the image and likeness of God."

" # Sex is Sacred. Yes. Human sexual union is sacred, because sex is where life comes from. That means, in cooperation with God. God is the Primary Cause, the parent's sexual union is the Secondary Cause."

The parent's sexual union is the primary cause. There need not be any cooperation with God at all, nor does God cause the sexual union. That image of God is complete and just as God can create life, so too can man.

"I think you missed the part about the Holy Spirit being the "Lord and Giver of Life.""

I did not. The life referred to is eternal life.

"in the case of the human soul, each one DIRECTLY and INDIVIDUALLY created"

What is a soul exactly?

47 posted on 05/09/2012 1:14:24 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets
Where do you get the idea that man is the primary or even sole creator of human life? Sincere question: where do you get that? It's not Biblical. Eve says, after giving birth ot the first child, (Genesis 4:1) “I have brought forth a man with the help of the LORD.” Adam and Eve are the secondary human causes; God the First Cause.

“Did not He who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same One form us both within our mothers?” (Job 31:15)

“For You created my inmost being; You knit me together in my mother’s womb.” (Psalm 139:13)

It makes no sense in the light of this to say the Holy Spirit is only the Lord and Giver of "spiritual" life. He is the Lord and Giver of personal life, and a person (human being) is a composite creature both spiritual and physical: God gives personal life, which comprises both.

Humans participate in this via sexual intercourse. God does not force us to engage in sexual intercourse, nor does intercourse always result in conception. Very often it does not. But when it does, and life is transmitted to a new generation, we are cooperators with the Lord and Giver of Life.

You: "There need not be any cooperation with God at all."

I am perplexed by your response. I have never met anyone (except for an atheist) who says God is not the giver of life.

48 posted on 05/09/2012 1:52:02 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Evil Bitch, giving woman a choice and access where they may not have had one before.


49 posted on 05/09/2012 2:31:15 PM PDT by fml
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To: Mrs. Don-o; don-o
Few, even here, understand the point of your first and second sentences. They are absolutely true nonetheless.

All too few people have been as willing to place trust in their spouses but, above all, in God the Creator and His plans (which just HAVE to be better than any of ours) as you obviously have since whenever you said "Goodbye to all of that."

50 posted on 05/09/2012 3:46:23 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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