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NOI angry at ACT's research on Islamic slavery; Muhammad's massacre of Medina Innocent Jews

Posted on 05/08/2012 8:14:35 PM PDT by PRePublic

Some young Muslim, at Nation of Islam's " FinalCall,' just published a childish "reply" to a thorough research by B Gabrielle's ACT for America. It's so silly I am too lazy to copy/paste it here. I am glad he publicizes ACT further.


For research on Muhammad's anger of Medina Native Jews because they refused to change their religion and take him as a "Prophet" one can also see:

This is from 1912, before the modern PC language: The Jewish Encyclopedia, by I Singer, C. Adler, 1912, p. 423 .. He first summoned them to accept his religion, and they refused. Soon a pretext was found for an open attack.

The Rise of Islam The Rise of Islam Mohammed reacted with anger when Jews refused to recognize ... Today Yathrib is better known as Medina and is considered Islam's second ...

The Root of the Arab-Israeli Conflict: The Classic Islamic View of Jews Jul 28, 2010 – When they refused, he turned against them. After Muhammad became stronger in Medina, he instructed the Muslims to terrorize the Jews.

The lefty Forward had an interesting researched article in 2003 " the "Jews of Medina"

TOPICS: History; Islam
KEYWORDS: faithandphilosophy; godsgravesglyphs; history; islam; medina; nationofislam; noi; religionofpieces; vanity

1 posted on 05/08/2012 8:14:45 PM PDT by PRePublic
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To: PRePublic

Did Muhammad even exist?

2 posted on 05/08/2012 8:50:45 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: PRePublic

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks PRePublic.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.

3 posted on 05/08/2012 8:57:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time --
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Did Muhammad even exist is like did the Seal Team 6 really kill 0sama bin Laden.

4 posted on 05/08/2012 9:44:08 PM PDT by hamboy
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To: hamboy

Aesop’s Fables, translated by Laura Gibbs (2002)

Perry 309 (Babrius 57)

Hermes filled a cart with lies and dishonesty and all sorts of wicked tricks, and he journeyed in this cart throughout the land, going hither and thither from one tribe to another, dispensing to each nation a small portion of his wares. When he reached the land of the Arabs, so the story goes, his cart suddenly broke down along the way and was stuck there. The Arabs seized the contents of the cart as if it were a merchant’s valuable cargo, stripping the cart bare and preventing Hermes from continuing on his journey, although there were still some people he had not yet visited. As a result, Arabs are liars and charlatans, as I myself have learned from experience. There is not a word of truth that springs from their lips.

5 posted on 05/09/2012 1:35:13 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: fella

..adding to my thousand and one nights cart...

6 posted on 05/09/2012 4:31:03 AM PDT by PRePublic (9)
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7 posted on 05/09/2012 5:30:31 AM PDT by SJackson (As a black man, you know, Barack could get shot going to the gas station, M Obama)
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To: All
JVL - anti Semitism, Jews in Arab lands
Muhammad, the founder of Islam, traveled to Medina in 622 A.D. to attract followers to his new faith. When the Jews of Medina refused to convert and rejected Muhammad, two of the major Jewish tribes were expelled; in 627, Muhammad's followers killed between 600 and 900 of the men, and divided the surviving Jewish women and children amongst themselves.
Richard A. Gabriel: "Muhammad: Islam's first great general," University of Oklahoma Press, 2007 (255 pp.), p. 144
...At the same time, however, the incident with Abu Lubaba suggests that Muhammad's wishes to dispose of the Jews were already well known among the Muslims. The choice of a devout Muslim wounded in battle whose wound was now causing his death and who wished for paradise to render judgment on the Jews could hardly have been accidental. Perhaps with one eye on history's judgment, Muhammad got what he wanted: to condemn the Jews and levy the responsibility for the decision on someone else. Sa'd ibn Mu'adh rendered his decision. First he asked, "Do you covenant by Allah that you accept the judgment I pronounce on them?" The Aws said yes. "Then I give judgment that the men should be killed, the property divided, and the women and children taken as captives. " Then they surrendered, and the Apostle confined them in Medina in the quarter of al Harith. Then the Apostle went out to the market of Medina and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in the trenches as they were brought out to him in hatches." Taken literally, Ibn Ishaq may be suggesting that Muhammad himself took part in the beheadings of the victims. If so, then this is the first place in Arabic accounts of his life where Muhammad actually is said to have killed someone with his own hand. "There were 600 or 700 in all, although some put the figure as high as 800 or 900..... This went on until the Apostle made an end of them." Every adult male of the Jewish tribe of Ben Qurayzah was killed that day. The property of the Jews was distributed among the Muslims, and the women and children were sold and the money divided or used to purchase arms. And so it was that the Beni Qurayzah of Medina were annihilated. Muhammad was struck by the beauty of a particular Jewish girl named Rayhana and took her as his concubine...
Ibn El-Neil: "The Truth About Islam," 2008, (324 pp.), p. 152
After Uhud, he did the same to the Banu Nadir. After the Battle of the Trench in 627, the Muslims accused the Jews of Banu Qurayza of conspiring with the Meccans, then beheaded the adult male members of the Banu Qurayza.
Abbas Sundiata: "Look Behind the Facade," Xulon Press, 2006 (444 pp.), p. 352
After the murder of Rabbi Ka'b bin Ashraf, Muhammad produced the ultimate racist decree; Ibn Ishaq tells us that: The apostle said, "Kill any Jew that falls into your power." Thereupon Muhayyisa b. Mas'ud leapt upon Ibn Sunayna, a Jewish merchant with whom they had social and business relations, and killed him...
Chaim Schloss: "2000 years of Jewish history: from the destruction of the second Bais Hamikdash until the twentieth century," Feldheim Publishers, 2002, p. 43
This last family of Jews, Banu Kuraiza (reputed to be a family of Kohanim), insisted they had maintained neutrality throughout the campaign. Mohammed hotly asserted that they had betrayed him to the enemy. A fierce struggle took place and the Jews withdrew to their fortress, where they managed to hold out for two weeks. At last, at the point of starvation, they surrendered to Mohammed.
The Banu Kuraiza were all too aware that Mohammed would most likely unleash his frenzied rage against them. At the last moment, however, he offered them life. All they had to do was say, "Mohammed is the Sent One and he is the one whom we find mentioned in our Scriptures." The reply was instant and unanimous: "We will never abandon the Law of our Torah and will never change it for another!"
On the spot, six hundred Jewish men were butchered, and their wives and children taken to be sold into slavery. One particularly beautiful Jewish woman named Rihana, who had just witnessed the killing of her husband, was reserved to be added to Mohammed's harem.
With Medina firmly established as his power base, Mohammed expanded his efforts. Within a few months, his army, by now a swaggering, vengeful horde, swept through the Jewish settlements of the Arabian peninsula. In town after town, the Jews defended themselves bravely, only to fall to the Muslim sword. On one occasion, after a Jewish leader had been tortured and executed, his sister tried to avenge his death by poisoning Mohammed's food. While the poison did not kill him, Mohammed suffered from its effects until the end of his life, four years later.
By the time Mohammed died in 632, the Jews remaining in the peninsula were helpless.
Marching under the banner of Islam, the Arab troops spent the next ten years expanding throughout the Near East and northern Africa. Persia and Byzantium, unprepared for the onslaught, were conquered relatively easily. The Jews and Christians were permitted in these conquered countries as guests, grudgingly admitted into the "House of Islam." As Mohammed wrote in the Koran: "A person, on maintaining his Judaism. ..should not be forced to convert. He must, however, pay his head tax. which case he is entitled to Gd's and the Prophet's protection." They were also required to wear distinctive clothing and adhere to other laws that sought to demean them and separate them from Muslim society... Jews and Christians were forbidden to resemble Muslims in their hairstyles or dress...
John Ankerberg, Emir Caner: "The Truth about Islam and Jihad," 2009, (77 pp.), p. 35..
Muhammad then issued the order, "Kill any Jew that falls into your power." The unfortunate Jewish merchant Ibn Sunayna, who traded with Muslims, was the first victim of this decree. He was killed at the hands of the Muslim zealot...
Jon Irving Bloomberg: "The Jewish world in the Middle Ages," 2000, (227 pp.), p. 35
They offered to surrender on the same terms as Banu '1-Nadir, but Muhammad felt the need to make an example of them. The adult males were condemned to death, and the women and children to slavery. Between 600 and 900 males were beheaded ...
Joshua Levy: "The Agony Of The Promised Land," iUniverse, Jun 30, 2004, 9232 pp.), pp. 35, 152
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He even faced Jerusalem when he prayed, like the Jews did all over the world. But, after they had rejected him, he started to face Mecca instead, a tradition which is practised by Muslims to this day.
Later, however, the Jews paid dearly for their rejection, by expulsions, confiscation of their property and the mass killing of all the males of the Jewish tribe of Quraida (about 700 in number).8,30,40 By the time the Prophet took complete control of Medina, the wealthy and prosperous Jewish tribes of that city had ceased to exist.
[p. 152]
Upon Muhammad's arrival in Medina (The Hijra—622 AD) the Jews constituted about 60% of the city's population. They were prosperous and made a good living from agriculture (palm trees), industry, and commerce. They refused to recognize Muhammad as a prophet and he repaid them by depredation, extortion, expulsions and extermination; by the time Muhammad was in complete control of Medina, the wealthy and prosperous Jewish tribes of that city...
American Thinker: Muhammad and Massacre of the Qurayza [June 17, 2007]
In AD 627, Muhammad committed an atrocity against the last remaining major tribe of Jews in Medina: the Qurayza. He beheaded the men and the pubescent boys and enslaved the women and children. In doing this, he wiped an entire tribe 'off the map' to use the recent language of the President of Iran
Hotair, June 17, 2007
...when Muhammad was trying to get the Jews or Arabia to accept him as a prophet.
Andrew G. Bostom: "The legacy of Islamic antisemitism: from sacred texts to solemn history," 2008, p. 74, p. 167
Muhammad subsequently prepared for his campaign against Khaybar a farming oasis and the last Jewish stronghold in Northern Arabia, where survivors (most notably, the B. Nadir) of the Muslims' earlier attacks on Medinan Jewry had also sought refuge — with two further political assassinations... From every point of view therefore the evidence is simply crushing that Muhammad was the ultimate author of this massacre. In the immediate aftermath of the massacre, the Muslims benefited substantially from the Qurayza's assets,..

8 posted on 05/09/2012 5:56:15 AM PDT by Milagros (Y)
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To: SunkenCiv

Bless You.

9 posted on 05/09/2012 10:02:12 AM PDT by PRePublic (9)
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To: Milagros

Milagros, TY !
Great collection of data & due diligence!

10 posted on 05/09/2012 11:55:10 AM PDT by SIRTRIS
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To: PRePublic

I don’t know why NOI is upset. They’re not actual moslems anyway.

11 posted on 05/09/2012 1:11:41 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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Thanks. It's vital to know the roots, and how it all began vs any spining, pushed by the likes of Farrakhan (who also rewrites Islamic Slavery's true history).

Here's more, FYI, authors Laqueur and Gerber are very respected:


Walter Laqueur: "The Changing Face of Anti-Semitism: From Ancient Times to the Present Day," Oxford University Press, Jun 30, 2008, (240 pp.) p. 67
There was also the story of the Banu Qurayza, a Jewish tribe in Medina, who had refused to accept Muhammad's message and turned against him—he had them all killed. But mostly the Jews played a far smaller role in Islamic thought than in ...
Nicholas Robert Michael De Lange, Jane S. Gerber: "The illustrated history of the Jewish people," Harcourt Brace, Oct 15, 1997 (434 pp.) p. 145
Indeed, they had introduced and spread many of these notions among the pagan tribes of Arabia. But the Jews refused to concede that Muhammad was the seal and the last of the prophets sent by God, as he claimed. According to Jewish tradition,...

I shall not worship what you worship. You do not worship what I worship. I am not a worshipper of what you have worshipped and you are not worshippers of what I have worshipped. To you, your religion. To me, my religion" (Sura 109).

As Muhammad progressed in hammering out his new faith in the fledgling Muslim community of Medina (where he fled in 622), he began to engage in increasingly heated polemics against the Jews. When the Jews rejected Muhammad outright, he excoriated them in vivid terms. Echoes of these bitter exchanges can still be heard in the Quran. The Jews were vilified as corrupters and perverters of Scripture (Sura 4:44) and cursed by Allah for their "disbelief." Their lot was described as one of "humiliation and wretchedness" since "they are visited with wrath from Allah" (Sura 2:61). Polemics soon gave way to military campaigns that brought terrible consequences to Arabian Jews.
Jane S. Gerber: "The Jews of Spain: a history of the Sephardic experience," Simon and Schuster, Jan 31, 1994 (333 pp.) p. 22
To you, your religion. To me, my religion. (Sura 109) Judaism received the special attention of Muslim theologians because Muhammed had encountered many Jews during his career in Arabia. In the course of hammering out his new faith, in fact, he had engaged in many verbal exchanges with the substantial and articulate Jewish community in Arabia, especially the vital group in the Medina oasis. (By contrast, there was only a limited Christian presence in the Arabian peninsula)...

In fact, he conveyed his religious message to the Jews of Medina, having come to regard himself as the pinnacle and seal of all of the ancient biblical prophecies, and offered them his leadership. He contended that the Koran contained the true revelation that Jews and Christians fail to follow. When the Medina Jews rejected him out of hand, he was struck to the core. First he angrily confronted them in debates whose echoes are preserved in the Koran, vividly excoriating them as corrupters of Scripture and enemies of Islam. But polemics soon gave way to military campaigns that brought terrible consequences to Arabian Jews. Where politically expedient and militarily feasible, Muhammad did not hesitate to subjugate or expel some Jewish tribes from Arabia or to decapitate all male members of other Jewish tribes. Those "infidels" who survived were required to submit to Muslim supremacy and pay tribute.
Joseph Telushkin: "Jewish Literacy Revised Ed: The Most Important Things to Know About the Jewish Religion, Its People, and Its History," (768 pp.) p. 161
Unfortunately, this deep affection turned to violent fury when the Jews refused to reciprocate Mohammed's goodwill by acknowledging him as a prophet of God.

12 posted on 05/09/2012 6:23:38 PM PDT by Milagros (Y)
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To: fella

i did not know that one. thank you

13 posted on 05/09/2012 10:12:42 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

You mean they are not ‘pure Arab preferred race,’ in political Islam...

14 posted on 05/09/2012 10:23:48 PM PDT by PRePublic (9)
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To: Cronos
“Nothing is known of Aesop's early life. However, in the Histories of Herodotus, who wrote during the later half of the fifth century BC, it says that he lived during the time of the Egyptian pharaoh Amasis of the sixth century BC. And that he was connected to the island of Samos. Herodotus also gives evidence that he may have been a slave or a relative of a Samian citizen called Iadmon,”

That was over 1200 years before Muhammad. All he did was codify their way of life no wonder criminals of all persuasions embrace him.

15 posted on 05/10/2012 12:40:21 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: PRePublic
You mean they are not ‘pure Arab preferred race,’ in political Islam...

No, I mean they're not moslems. They're not really moslems at all. They don't believe in the G-d Who exists externally (since that's "the white man's invention") but in the "gxd" deep within each person--pure eighteenth century European rationalism!

Also real islam doesn't have all that hooey about "Yakoub" or whatever his name is, or a "mother ship." The NOI is a kooky made up cult and isn't moslem at all!

Although, come to think of it, it's probably as "moslem" as many Black churches are "chrstian."

16 posted on 05/10/2012 7:47:12 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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