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Evangelicals and the Coming Romney Victory
First Things ^ | May 9, 2012 | Gerald R. McDermott

Posted on 05/09/2012 2:17:13 PM PDT by NYer

A new poll from Virginia, a key swing state, suggests that Evangelicals will help put Mitt Romney in the White House this November.

It has become a truism in recent years that Evangelicals are critical to our national elections. As New York Times reporter Erik Eckholm pointed out on April 14, Evangelicals accounted for nearly one-fourth of all ballots cast in recent presidential elections. Their lukewarm support for John McCain in 2008—with many staying home on Election Day and upwards of 30 percent of their 18-29 year-olds casting votes for Obama (Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research)—helped give the White House to the Democrats.

Republicans have feared that Romney’s Mormonism will mean even fewer Evangelical votes for their candidate in November. They cite a November 2011 Pew Forum poll that found 15 percent of Evangelicals saying they would refuse to vote for Romney simply because he is a Mormon.

Of course, McCain in 2008 won 74 percent of the white Evangelical vote, and still lost. But several things are different this time around. Even a slight increase in the percentage of Evangelicals at the polls will have significant consequences. The Baylor Religion Survey estimates that Evangelicals are now one-third of the population, or 100 million people. An increase of only 1 percent at the polls—a million voters—most likely means a two-to-one advantage for Romney among those million votes, which could tip several key states against Obama.

Now there is fresh evidence that Evangelicals in swing states are more numerous than ever, and prefer Romney to Obama by a wide margin. A March 26-April 9 poll of Virginia residents conducted by the Institute for Policy and Opinion Research at Roanoke College found that 58 percent of the Virginia population is Evangelical, and white Evangelicals prefer Romney by a 36-point spread (65 percent to 29 percent).

Not surprisingly, Virginia Evangelicals are ambivalent about Romney’s religion. More than twice as many Evangelicals as non-Evangelicals in Virginia (37 percent to 16 percent) think Mormons are not Christians, and 74 percent of the Evangelicals (vs. 61 percent of non-Evangelicals) say Mormonism is “very different” from their own faith. Sixty-one per cent of Evangelicals think the Mormon religion is not Christian or are unsure if it is Christian, compared to only 39 percent of non-Evangelicals.

Evangelicals have always considered Mormon religion very different from their own, but sometimes for the wrong reasons. For example, they typically protest that Mormons believe in salvation by good works. Some Mormons do indeed believe this, just as many Catholics and some Protestants believe they will be saved by being good Christians. Yet the Book of Mormon teaches salvation by Christ’s work of grace: “There is no flesh that can dwell in the presence of God save it be through the merits, and mercy, and grace of the Holy Messiah” (2 Nephi 2:8).

Yet Evangelicals have legitimate reasons to believe that Mormon beliefs are different from those of historic Christian orthodoxy. For while Mormons believe Jesus is now fully God, they do not believe he was always God. Nor do they believe in the Trinity and the traditional Christian doctrine that God created the world from nothing.

Despite these religious differences, a large majority of Virginia Evangelicals—who themselves represent a majority of Virginia voters—say they will vote for Mitt Romney, a Mormon.

But why? Why do an overwhelming majority of Virginia Evangelicals (79 percent) say that Romney’s religion “makes no difference” in their voting for him? The answer seems to be that they have seen Obama’s policies and dislike them. Sixty-six percent of Evangelicals (vs. only 50 percent of non-Evangelicals) disapprove of Obamacare. Evangelicals are just as worried about the economy and the deficit as non-Evangelicals. In fact, a majority of Evangelicals support the Tea Party (53 percent) while only a quarter (29 percent) of non-Evangelicals do. Seventy-nine percent of Evangelicals think the country is on the wrong track (vs. 66 percent of non-Evangelicals).

Evangelicals, then, will vote against Obama because of the economy and their suspicion that policies such as the recent HHS mandate requiring insurance to pay for abortions will threaten their religious freedom. They will vote for Romney because they think his policies will grow the economy without jeopardizing their deepest convictions—such as their belief in traditional marriage as the bedrock of society.

(Contrary to the current opinion that Romney is losing the women’s vote, 63 percent of Virginia’s Evangelicals are women, and they support him over Obama by a broad margin. This means that Romney will win the women’s vote in Virginia, and probably other states with Evangelical majorities.)

If Evangelicals vote for Romney in greater numbers than for McCain in 2008—and it appears that they might—it won’t be the first time that Christians voted for an American president who was less than orthodox. After all, George Washington was a deist who usually referred to the deity in vague and impersonal terms. Thomas Jefferson believed the doctrines of the Trinity, atonement and original sin were essentially pagan, and rejected the possibility of miracles or resurrection. John Adams also denied the Trinity, along with most orthodox Christian doctrine, while holding to a Stoic-like resignation to fate. Lincoln and his wife attended séances, and William Howard Taft was a Unitarian who rejected the deity of Christ.

Christians who voted for these presidents showed they were looking for a Commander-in-Chief, not a theologian-in-chief. In this approach they echoed Martin Luther, who reputedly said, “I would rather be governed by a wise Turk than by a foolish Christian.”


TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: election; obama; romney
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1 posted on 05/09/2012 2:17:21 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
Their lukewarm support for John McCain in 2008—with many staying home on Election Day and upwards of 30 percent of their 18-29 year-olds casting votes for Obama (Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research)—helped give the White House to the Democrats.

So ... contrary to what we have been told by certain forum members, perhaps it wasn't the catholic vote that put O in office but the non vote of evangelicals.

This election year, we need to ban together and vote O out of office!

2 posted on 05/09/2012 2:20:02 PM PDT by NYer (Open to scriptural suggestions.)
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To: NYer

Christian evangelicals allowed themselves to be demoralized and that put Obama in charge of our country and our children’s future. They won’t stay home this time.


3 posted on 05/09/2012 2:22:46 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb
Yay.

We have a golden opportunity here, to vote an abortionist, gun-control-freak, homosexualist, big government, nanny-state, regulatory state socialist out of office ...

by replacing him with an abortionist, gun-control-freak, homosexualist, big government, nanny-state, regulatory state socialist

Yay.

I'm so thrilled.

4 posted on 05/09/2012 2:28:38 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Romney top of the ticket and TEA PARTY CANDIDATES down ticket will work for me, to achieve the ABO strategy.

You can stay home or vote for RP,none of the above, or write in whoever the he!! you want, but either way, it's a vote for Obama. Plain and simple.

5 posted on 05/09/2012 2:35:05 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature ($1.84 - The price of a gallon of gas on Jan. 20th, 2009.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Then stay home.


6 posted on 05/09/2012 2:36:46 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: NYer

So Evangelicals voting 80% plus republican, is never enough for you? You still want to try and denigrate their voting in behalf of Catholics voting 54% for Obama?


7 posted on 05/09/2012 2:38:30 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Deb

I won’t stay home but I won’t vote for either democrat.


8 posted on 05/09/2012 2:43:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: ArrogantBustard
"I'm so thrilled."

Look, if we don't get rid of Obama, he's going to drive us right off the cliff at 100 mph. (and Romney will only drive us off at 60 mph)

9 posted on 05/09/2012 2:44:57 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature; Deb; circlecity
Obama, he's going to drive us right off the cliff at 100 mph. (and Romney will only drive us off at 60 mph)

I'm sooooo thrilled ...

Yay.

10 posted on 05/09/2012 2:48:53 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: cripplecreek

So you’ve said.


11 posted on 05/09/2012 2:49:25 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: NYer

Nope...

GOP-e can suck it...

Either they reverse course at the convention or lose my vote for president and any support I would have given.

I will not vote for their socialist.


12 posted on 05/09/2012 2:50:29 PM PDT by myself6
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To: NYer

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13 posted on 05/09/2012 2:52:43 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: NYer
Evangelicals have always considered Mormon religion very different from their own, but sometimes for the wrong reasons. For example, they typically protest that Mormons believe in salvation by good works. Some Mormons do indeed believe this, just as many Catholics and some Protestants believe they will be saved by being good Christians. Yet the Book of Mormon teaches salvation by Christ’s work of grace: “There is no flesh that can dwell in the presence of God save it be through the merits, and mercy, and grace of the Holy Messiah” (2 Nephi 2:8).

The Catholic church is the same, they say that Mormonism is a non-Christian religion, yet the media is always separating the Conservative voting Evangelicals from the Christian herd, as though they are not mainstream.

Just about every Mormon involved article uses that strategy.

14 posted on 05/09/2012 2:53:25 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ArrogantBustard

Once again, you mistake me for someone who gives a crap what you do. Really. Don’t care.


15 posted on 05/09/2012 2:55:22 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature
You can stay home or vote for RP,none of the above, or write in whoever the he!! you want, but either way, it's a vote for Obama. Plain and simple.

A vote for the kenyan is a vote for the kenyan. A vote for Mitt is a vote for Mitt. A vote for Sarah Palin is a vote for Sarah Palin. A vote for Goode is a vote for the good of our nation.

If Romney or Obama represent your beliefs, then by all means, vote your conscience. You vote for the candidate that best represents you. Your candidate champions gun control, abortions, gay marriage, and a bloated federal government, and if that's you, that's fine (well, not really -it's awful) - but you should at least be honest and open about what it is you are voting for. The fear factor freaks in the GOPe keep dragging out this dead horse every 4 years and with diminishing returns.

I'll wait for a brokered convention to produce a non-Mitt, and failing that, vote FOR a real Conservative.

The Republican Party is expendable, but Conservatism is vital.

16 posted on 05/09/2012 2:55:53 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (When we cease to be good we'll cease to be great. Be for Goode.)
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To: Deb
Awwwwww ...

Did po' widdle snookums getum feewings hurt?

The truth is the truth ...

The demonicRat Party is about to run an abortionist, gun-control-freak, homosexualist, big government, nanny-state, regulatory state socialist for election to a second (and last) 4-year term in office.

The Republican Party is about to run an abortionist, gun-control-freak, homosexualist, big government, nanny-state, regulatory state socialist for a first (of possibly two) 4-year term of office.

What's the deal, Deb?

Do you find that thrilling?

Do you think that's a wonderful state of affairs?

17 posted on 05/09/2012 3:00:48 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer

Is it ok to talk about a Romney victory now?


18 posted on 05/09/2012 3:16:10 PM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: ansel12
So Evangelicals voting 80% plus republic

I'm simply doing the math. If the previous trend of evangelicals not showing up at the polls is repeated in this election, based on their disapproval of Mitt Romney's Mormon faith, then, "yes" they are at fault should Obama be re-elected.

20 posted on 05/09/2012 3:24:54 PM PDT by NYer (Open to scriptural suggestions.)
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To: myself6
GOP-e can suck it...

Then vote Conservative.

21 posted on 05/09/2012 3:26:29 PM PDT by NYer (Open to scriptural suggestions.)
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To: NYer

I am an Evangelical who will NEVER vote for Romney. I would by hypocritical of me and against my faith.


22 posted on 05/09/2012 3:31:10 PM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: reaganaut; ansel12
I am an Evangelical who will NEVER vote for Romney. I would by hypocritical of me and against my faith.

I rest my case. That's one vote for Obama.

23 posted on 05/09/2012 3:43:11 PM PDT by NYer (Open to scriptural suggestions.)
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To: NYer

No, you were making an obvious dig at our most pro-life, anti-homosexual agenda, conservative voters who hold this nation together, in a gloss over of the pro-abortion, pro-homosexual agenda group who voted 54% for Obama.


24 posted on 05/09/2012 3:45:59 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Sirius Lee
Wrong.

A vote for Mitt is a vote for ABO.

A vote for Sarah Palin is a vote for Obama.

A vote for Goode is a vote for Obama.

If you chose to eat the Elephant whole, rather than small bites, prepare to choke on it.

And I am completely honest about what I'm voting for. ABO. I'll take a Mitt over Obama, any day of the week. You can have your vote for Goode and take a 4 year side dish of Obama with no regards for re-election. If you think the first 4 were bad, wait till you see what he serves up the last 4 with Executive Orders, etc. without the shackles of having to run another election campaign.

Get a clue, see the bigger picture.

25 posted on 05/09/2012 3:49:01 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature ($1.84 - The price of a gallon of gas on Jan. 20th, 2009.)
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To: NYer; reaganaut

I will be surprised if I don’t end up voting the same as JR votes, right now for a quick answer I just say that I will write in Palin, but in time, conservatives will probably come up with a more sophisticated plan of some sort.


26 posted on 05/09/2012 3:55:46 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ArrogantBustard

Just wait till Mitt is asked about gay marriage. This will change.


27 posted on 05/09/2012 3:59:51 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: NYer

No, it is a non vote. Don’t use dialetic reasoning. Me not buying a Chevy isn’t an automatic sale for Toyota. There are other options.


28 posted on 05/09/2012 4:03:15 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: stuartcr

I hope it’s never ok to talk about a Romney victory.

I hope he washes out at the convention (still a possibility, especially if RP can disrupt it a bit), because if they pick him, there’s no way on God’s green earth that he’s going to win the presidency.

He’s an extremely unattractive person, a poor speaker, a member of a flaky non-Christian cult with theocratic tendencies, a fiscal and social progressive, and has absolutely nothing that is going to make the average voter pick him over Obama. The GOP, however, has told him it’s “his turn” (in exchange for not challenging the last guy whose turn it was, John McCain). This is the same thing they said to Bob Dole, who they also knew was going to be a loser.

Defeat Romney at the convention and get another candidate, or we will surely lose. And it will be the fault neither of the Evangelicals or the Catholics, but of the GOP for annointing such a horrible candidate.


29 posted on 05/09/2012 4:12:16 PM PDT by livius
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To: NYer

Mormons believe that one’s salvation is based on such good works as baptism, good deeds, missionary work, and following Mormon teachings. In The Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, justification by faith in Jesus Christ is called a “pernicious doctrine” twice and he states that it has been “an influence for evil.” (pp. 107, 480) Bruce McConkie once stated at Brigham Young University that a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is “improper and perilous” (Church News, March 20, 1982, p. 5)

http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Mormons.html


30 posted on 05/09/2012 4:30:59 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: NYer
This election year, we need to ban together

Freudian slip?

32 posted on 05/09/2012 4:51:34 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: NYer
The Regime's in-house polls have got to be causing a great deal of consternation among the assorted extra-Constitutional czars that Bozo brought into the White House. Those numbers are extremely bad. Insiders say the POTUS has only a 31% approval rating!

It's time for all conservatives to get as many people motivated and educated how to vote for America.

33 posted on 05/09/2012 5:06:23 PM PDT by STD ([You must help] people in the communityÂ…feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless)
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To: SVTCobra03; Deb

Heh ...

Once again, I just LOVE Freedom of Speech ...

It lets me know who the jerks are.


34 posted on 05/09/2012 5:06:58 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer; ansel12

No, I am voting against both. It isn’t my fault the GOP gave us dog vomit for a candidate.

NYer, I have been in minstry to Mormons for almost 20 years, preaching against their teachings. I would be a hypocrite to vote for one for POUTS.

Virgil Goode 2012.


35 posted on 05/09/2012 5:27:51 PM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: NYer; ansel12

Hey, if you want to compromise your faith and vote for someone who is pro-abortion and pro gay marriage, that is your choice, but don’t expect me to.


36 posted on 05/09/2012 5:29:26 PM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: Deb; ArrogantBustard

Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?


37 posted on 05/09/2012 5:31:33 PM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: Deb
Christian evangelicals allowed themselves to be demoralized and that put Obama in charge of our country and our children’s future. They won’t stay home this time.

I was demoralized last time but I voted for McCain anyway. This time, I have been getting more involved and working to convince family, friends, coworkers and people at church not to vote for Romney. A vote for Romney is a positive vote for who and what he is. I don't want that on my conscience.

The truth is though, Romney is doomed to fail anyway but just in case something dramatic changes things, I want to make sure I did may part to make sure he fails.

38 posted on 05/09/2012 5:31:42 PM PDT by Tramonto
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To: NYer
This election year, we need to ban together and vote O out of office!

Sure thing!! We just need a candidate worth the vote. Romney doesn't fit that bill. Besides being very liberal in his views when Governor, he is dishonest to the core. 100% pandering phony!! Voting for him would be a betrayal of everything I believe in.

39 posted on 05/09/2012 5:36:25 PM PDT by EagleInGA
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To: EagleInGA

Voting for him would be a betrayal of everything I believe in.

- - - -
AGREED!


40 posted on 05/09/2012 6:12:17 PM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: reaganaut; Deb

Hey ... don’t go bustin’ on her.

If that’s the way she really feels about me (or about what I have to say), I’m glad to know.


41 posted on 05/09/2012 6:35:36 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: SVTCobra03; Deb

That post you were quoting was clearly written by a true Romney devotee, the gutter language was astounding.


42 posted on 05/09/2012 6:54:31 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature

Exactly. It is scary how many people DO NOT GET IT about the MATH and the need to choke back any feelings of distaste and VOTE FOR ROMNEY. A vote for anybody BUT Romney is a vote for the BIG 0.

This is going to be a very close election and there are stories (still not sure they’re true or not) that a company in SPAIN is going to be the one who tallies our election results (what’s up with that?); therefore, people, we cannot afford to screw this up! Romney may not satisfy everyone’s demands for THE PERFECT CHOICE, but the Alternative (i.e., the Current Guy who WILL WIN if Romney does not) is a sure road to HELL with no detours.


43 posted on 05/09/2012 7:00:30 PM PDT by Memoria
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To: NYer

Exactly. Glad to see some folks do GET IT.


44 posted on 05/09/2012 7:01:48 PM PDT by Memoria
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature

Yep.


45 posted on 05/09/2012 7:02:50 PM PDT by Memoria
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To: cripplecreek

Then why bother going out and voting? You will only be wasting your time—and some people’s in SPAIN who will be counting our votes. Not to mention risking letting the Big O “win” again (by hook or crook) and letting our country go to HELL...

If you think it is bad now, just give that Arrogant Pontificator/”Messiah” currently in the Oval Office four more years!


46 posted on 05/09/2012 7:06:58 PM PDT by Memoria
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To: NYer
If Evangelicals vote for Romney in greater numbers than for McCain in 2008—and it appears that they might—it won’t be the first time that Christians voted for an American president who was less than orthodox. After all, George Washington was a deist who usually referred to the deity in vague and impersonal terms. Thomas Jefferson believed the doctrines of the Trinity, atonement and original sin were essentially pagan, and rejected the possibility of miracles or resurrection. John Adams also denied the Trinity, along with most orthodox Christian doctrine, while holding to a Stoic-like resignation to fate. Lincoln and his wife attended séances, and William Howard Taft was a Unitarian who rejected the deity of Christ. Christians who voted for these presidents showed they were looking for a Commander-in-Chief, not a theologian-in-chief. In this approach they echoed Martin Luther, who reputedly said, “I would rather be governed by a wise Turk than by a foolish Christian.”

what a load of crap.....all easily refuted.and btw...until 1836 Presidents were decided by electors appointed by state legislators...not a popular vote

my kin did not vote for Lincoln...I can tell ya that

who writes such crap

47 posted on 05/09/2012 7:07:35 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: Deb

We can only pray you are right about that.


48 posted on 05/09/2012 7:07:50 PM PDT by Memoria
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To: NYer

Today’s “history-making announcement” may spur many who had planned to stay home to go to the polls to make their JUST SAY NO! heard.


49 posted on 05/09/2012 7:09:15 PM PDT by Memoria
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To: Memoria
Then why bother going out and voting?

You're kind of simple aren't you?
50 posted on 05/09/2012 7:11:42 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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