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President Obama Evolved Poorly
Pastor Matthew ^ | 5/10/2012 | Pastor Matthew St. John

Posted on 05/10/2012 6:34:23 PM PDT by Morgana

With all do respect to President Obama, he is wrong on the matter of homosexual marriages. By finally coming to the end of his so-called “evolution” wherein he has discerned that there is room in our society for homosexual marriages, he aligns himself with three significant threats to society as a whole and personhood in general.

First, homosexual marriage undermines the timeless and transcultural nature of marriage. When one puts forward the idea that marriage can and should be about more than one man in covenant partnership with one woman, then what is the end? Why not have three making up the marriage, such as with the pologymists of old or on the fringe of our day? Why not have three men, or two men and a woman, or four women and a mule? Perhaps commonly understood age expectations should be lifted, so that little girls can be married to grown men, similar to some corners of Muslim society, or little boys to older men, such as is often promoted by the fringe North American Man/Boy Love Association. With few exceptions, marriage has universally been recognized as a sanctioned relationship between one man and one woman. President Obama and those who share his view essentially toss aside a relationship standard that has existed for thousands of years. They may declare all day long that their intention is to stay within the framework of two individuals in love; but when the traditional understanding is altered, the door is thrown open for an increasingly fluid definition and description of marriage.

Not only does the very idea of same-sex marriage shred millenia of standard expectations regarding the true nature of covenant partnership between one man and one woman, but same-sex marriage decimates the sanctity of marriage. In general terms the homosexual community, despite its marketed notions of Rockwellian same-sex homes, is strongly biased toward diminishing marriage sanctity, welcoming as part of its cultural reality extra-marital outlets within the structure of same-sex marriage that are designed to satisfy sexual whims. So committed is the gay community to the idea that there would be these extra-marital outlets within the structure of a same-sex marriage, one cannot help but wonder what the push is for the structure. Perhaps it is primarily because of civil benefits, which, if so, only amplifies the superficiality of a cause largely extrinsic in nature.

Second, homosexual marriage undermines the timeless and transcultural nature of family. Homosexuals can talk all day long about the idea that children raised in same-sex homes are every bit as loved and nurtured as children in heterosexual homes. Yet this simply does not stand to reason. From the earliest days of human history cultures have recognized the necessity and power of children growing up under the auspices of a male parent working in partnership with a female parent. Boys and girls need a man and a woman leading them and shaping them. The very nature of a homosexual marriage does not allow for this. Boys and girls in same-sex scenarios will emerge into adulthood with little or no real understanding of natural personhood and the roles unique to men and women. For these children who will become adults, beyond the assumptions of sophistication and tolerance will be confusion and frustration and intrinsic wounds.

Thirdly, homosexual marriage undermines genuine civil rights. Personhood includes natural elements about a man or a woman, such as skin color or ethnicity or gender. These are things that are reflections of the created order. But contrary to so much of the narrative of the homosexual community, homosexuality is a choice. It is not a natural feature of the created order. “Blackness” cannot be abandoned. Neither can being Asian or Latin. Inherent maleness or femaleness cannot be abandoned, gender transition efforts aside. True civil rights efforts recognize that the fundamental reality of legitimate personhood should always be safeguarded and respected, whereas homosexual civil efforts seek to legitimize function, largely centered around sexual freedom. To elevate function to the same plane as that which is truly fundamental is to water down true personhood. The dignity inherent with skin color or gender or ethnicity gets pulled downward; there is a diminuition of the essense of foundational personhood in an effort to amplify function or choices. Affirming same-sex marriage as a matter of civil rights reduces genuine civil rights efforts.

Beyond these, of course, one can make the case that the majority of Americans strongly oppose same-sex marriage; thus thirty states have passed laws that seek to oppose the legalization of it. And even beyond this is the reality that same-sex marriage sharply departs from what is God’s very best for all people. For more on that, consider these past posts.

One final thought for now. Sharp disagreement with President Obama and those who share his views must not give way to disrespectful exchanges or hatred. There is never room for that. We must not buy the lie that says disagreement with the homosexual agenda equals hate.

And, we must not hate.


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: children; gaymarriage; god; homosexualagenda; lgbt; marriage; men; women

1 posted on 05/10/2012 6:34:27 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Obama has never “evolved”.He has always supported the gay agenda,he just chose this time to say so.


2 posted on 05/10/2012 6:40:00 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Morgana

This is a well written article.

I still think it is not out of bounds to call him on the whole “evolve” thing, it’s the same position he had in 1996 after all.


3 posted on 05/10/2012 6:42:01 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Morgana
"With all do respect to President Obama,..."

That would be DUE respect, Pastor......and this homosexual Muslim Socialist fraud deserves NONE.

4 posted on 05/10/2012 6:46:52 PM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: Morgana

No he evolved perfectly according to satan’s plans. Very subtly and perfectly for the already satanic culture our media spews upon us.


5 posted on 05/10/2012 6:46:52 PM PDT by thesaleboat (Pray The Rosary Daily (Our Lady, July 13, 1917))
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To: Morgana

No he evolved perfectly according to satan’s plans. Very subtly and perfectly for the already satanic culture our media spews upon us.


6 posted on 05/10/2012 6:46:52 PM PDT by thesaleboat (Pray The Rosary Daily (Our Lady, July 13, 1917))
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To: Morgana

When will Obama evolve from leaving a live aborted fetus on the table to die and not give it life?


7 posted on 05/10/2012 7:09:29 PM PDT by Bronzy (No more RINO's)
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To: Farmer Dean

You know this, I know this, we all know this.

One just has to wonder, why now?


8 posted on 05/10/2012 7:14:38 PM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: Morgana

I heard that homo groups were withholding campaign contributions.Vice President Rain Man wasn’t a big help either....


9 posted on 05/10/2012 7:18:40 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Morgana

I can’t recall a single democrat ever “evolving” to a more conservative stance on anything. Can anyone else?


10 posted on 05/10/2012 7:36:40 PM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: Rashputin

Can we say, “Devolve”


11 posted on 05/10/2012 7:40:55 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: Rashputin

evolving=flip flopping

same thing


12 posted on 05/10/2012 7:49:15 PM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: Morgana

Who says he has evolved?

Supporting the gutter perversity that is homosexual marriage is so easy, a caveman could do it.


13 posted on 05/10/2012 7:54:30 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (With (R)epublicans like these, who needs (D)emocrats?)
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To: aimhigh
Obama evolved before he devolved before he revolved.

Now lets all sing........ He put his left foot in, he put his left foot out , he put his left foot in and he shook his mouth about. He did the Gay me fake me and he turned himself around--thats why he's all come out.

14 posted on 05/10/2012 8:04:25 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: Morgana
slime evolves slowly...
15 posted on 05/10/2012 8:09:52 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg
"a caveman could do it." Only cavemen had better sense and did not support it. How else did we get to our "civilized society"?
16 posted on 05/10/2012 8:11:50 PM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: Morgana
With all do respect to President Obama,

Pastor Matthew St. John, hie thee to a dictionary, with all due respect.

Three additional thoughts:

1. Remember when Barry's Green Jobs Czar Van Jones said that Barry's black support wouldn't falter even if he comes out as gay? It's sort of interesting that some of the major network news leads were NOT saying, "President Obama announces his support of gay marriage" but "President Obama comes out in support of gay marriage," but this could just be the penchant of the media for cleverness, but to date they've been very hands-off in any sort of criticism of The One.

2. In response to an interviewer who asked Barry if Biden's remarks on the subject spurred him to change his mind, Barry stammered a bit as he is wont to do without the comforting presence of TOTUS and said that he had been supporting gay marriage since before the election--then backed up and said since before the convention. Well, if true, then all his comments to the contrary since before the convention or the election were, uh, well, lies, right? Or, rather, carefully nuanced statements consistent with his current evolutionary state on the subject in terms of securing whatever it was he felt he needed to secure at that particular moment: "Oops, seems I, uh, need a third eye, let me quickly evolve that."

3. He's off today to do a scheduled fundraiser with the organization of at least one of the letters of the LGBT "community" and another at George Clooney's place that will feature a number of pro-gay marriage and heavily-laden-with-campaign-cash guests. Could there possibly be a connection between his need to pump up his detumescing base, his less-than-amazing fundraising this time around, his publicly-declared abandonment of middle class white voters, and his latest evolutionary stage recapitulating his 1994 pro-gay marriage stance, recalling to mind Kerry's claiming to have voted for a bill before voting against it?

Is Barry really telling us how he really feels (keeping in mind the comments of his friend at Columbia who was a girl about his being very closed, having sharp edges, and manifesting deceptive warmth)? Or is he, once again, shaping his message like he shaped his memoirs, altering, compressing, conflating, and renaming, to maximally impact the largest possible donors, image-makers, and ideological soul brothers toward the ka-CHING needed to get him where he wants to be come November?
17 posted on 05/10/2012 8:11:50 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Morgana

18 posted on 05/10/2012 8:13:34 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Morgana

You do have a good point.

There’s simply no way that obama is as far along on the evolutionary scale as your hirsute friend in the video.

But if he’s not quite as evolved as a neanderthal...?


19 posted on 05/10/2012 8:38:24 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (With (R)epublicans like these, who needs (D)emocrats?)
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To: aruanan
I wonder if, in Obama’s ever-evolving world view, he has reached the point yet where he can say knowing when human life begins is within his pay grade - seeing that he is POTUS now and decisions concerning abortion ARE part of his job description? I'll bet if he asks his preteen daughters, they could tell him human life begins at fertilization/conception.
20 posted on 05/10/2012 9:24:30 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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21 posted on 05/10/2012 9:25:00 PM PDT by Casie
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To: Morgana; All

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22 posted on 05/11/2012 2:31:40 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: GeronL
This is a well written article. I still think it is not out of bounds to call him on the whole “evolve” thing, it’s the same position he had in 1996 after all.

I was also surprised that he didn't mention how God looks upon the marriage/union of a man and a woman.

23 posted on 05/11/2012 4:08:01 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: trebb

“I was also surprised that he didn’t mention how God looks upon the marriage/union of a man and a woman. “

That would be a different sermon, one that would be discussed into detail.


24 posted on 05/11/2012 6:57:16 AM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: Farmer Dean
He has always supported the gay agenda,he just chose this time to say so.

Obama supports communism. Moral degeneracy is just a means to sucker the people into accepting it.

25 posted on 05/11/2012 9:23:21 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Morgana

Socialists chant the word “change” and we are supposed to assume that all change is progress. However, in the case of change integrating the lifestyle and behaviors of homosexuality, we are looking at regression.

History is clear about societies that fall into immorality and chaos. Rome is a great example of a society that imposed sexual immorality and proceeded to fall apart. Like ancient Rome, the road of homosexual integration does include the legalization and “celebration” of man/boy sex. The taboos or rules of sex and marriage accepted in heterosexual society do not apply to homosexual elitist circles. They are promoting man/boy sex. That is why are are in the public schools and so angry about being shut out of the Boy Scouts.


26 posted on 05/11/2012 12:01:52 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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