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Priests, Abuse, and the Meltdown of a Culture
National Review Online ^ | May 19, 2011 | George Weigel

Posted on 05/17/2012 12:34:47 PM PDT by Natural Law

The American narrative of the Catholic Church's struggles with the clerical sexual abuse of the young has been dominated by several tropes firmly set in journalistic concrete: that this was and is a "pedophilia" crisis; that the sexual abuse of the young is an ongoing danger in the Church; that the Catholic Church was and remains a uniquely dangerous environment for young people; that a high percentage of priests were abusers; that abusive behavior is more likely from celibates, such that a change in the Church's discipline of priestly celibacy would be important in protecting the young; that the Church's bishops were, as a rule, willfully negligent in handling reports of abuse; that the Church really hasn't learned any lessons from the revelations that began in the Long Lent of 2002.

But according to an independent, $1.8 million study conducted by New York's John Jay College of Criminal Justice, commissioned by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops and released on May 18, every one of these tropes is false.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abuse; catholic; priest
The study by New York's John Jay College of Criminal Justic "affirms that the Catholic Church may well be the safest environment for young people in American society." In 2010, there were only seven credible cases of abuse were reported in a church that numbers over 65 million adherents. Comparing that to the 134 per 100,000 in the rest of American society there would have to be over 87,000 clergy abuses per year to be as bad as the rest of society which statistically is 10,000 times worse.

I doubt that will put the issue to rest among those who wish to believe the worst about the Church. It will be interesting to see when editorials in the New York Times and the Boston Globe demand in-depth studies of the sexual abuse of the young by members of the teachers' unions, and zero-tolerance policies for teacher/abusers.

1 posted on 05/17/2012 12:34:57 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

I gather this isn’t the angle of the article but the title does suggest the tie between the condition of the Church and the condition of the ambient culture, which IMHO is causative — that is, as goes the church, so goes the culture.


2 posted on 05/17/2012 12:54:14 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: Natural Law

In related possible news:
“A $4 million study of NAMBLA, paid for by a sub organization of NAMBLA, conducted by A, B, or C criminal justice school showed that NAMBLA just has children’s best interests at heart and there is absolutely no danger posed by anyone.”
Also:
“A $2.8 million study of Islamic men, paid for by an American Islamic organization, conducted by A, B, or C criminal justice school showed that Islamic men just have children’s best interests at heart and there is absolutely no danger posed by anyone.”


3 posted on 05/17/2012 1:01:04 PM PDT by brent13a (Glenn Beck is an a$$hat.)
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To: Natural Law

I gather this isn’t the angle of the article but the title does suggest the tie between the condition of the Church and the condition of the ambient culture, which IMHO is causative — that is, as goes the church, so goes the culture.


4 posted on 05/17/2012 1:02:34 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: Natural Law
There's a good book out on the subject - "Pedophiles and Priests" by Philip Jenkins. It contains a lenghty narrative of the course of the scandal, along with a look at some of the myths that have sprung up around it.



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5 posted on 05/17/2012 1:05:16 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: brent13a
"In related possible news:"

Thank you for proving my prediction that those who wish to believe the worst about the Church will ignore the facts. Hagiophobes are so predictable.

6 posted on 05/17/2012 1:13:25 PM PDT by Natural Law (Mary was the face that God chose for Himself.)
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To: brent13a

The John Jay College of Criminal Justice is part of the City University of New York, a public university. It’s named for one of the most anti-Catholic of the Founding Fathers.


7 posted on 05/17/2012 1:16:40 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

That’s true. John Jay has always been pretty objective - I’ve always wondered how it has managed to survive in NYC’s hyper-politicized environment.


8 posted on 05/17/2012 1:19:55 PM PDT by livius
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To: ConorMacNessa
"There's a good book out on the subject - "Pedophiles and Priests" by Philip Jenkins."

I've read it and cited it a few times in the Religion Forum. It too is dismissed by those who want to believe that Church actively promotes predation and perdition.

I'm of no false impressions. The world will always hate the Church because it hated Him. These studies and books are great for those of us who love Christ, love the Truth and love the Church and want to maintain her as the legitimate bride of Christ.

9 posted on 05/17/2012 1:20:51 PM PDT by Natural Law (Mary was the face that God chose for Himself.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
as goes the church, so goes the culture

Or ... vice versa.

10 posted on 05/17/2012 1:21:04 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: Natural Law
And there have been zero sexual abuse cases alleged to have occured at Penn State's athletics dep't since Sandusky got arrested.
11 posted on 05/17/2012 1:21:45 PM PDT by kenavi (1% of the 1% were born in the 1%.)
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To: Natural Law

Why isn’t the MSM all concerned about the child sex abuse that’s been going on in all of the Public School systems in the major-metro areas of this country, for decades?


12 posted on 05/17/2012 1:27:49 PM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: Natural Law

First and foremost I am equally suspicious of all denominations. I believe that there is corruption and abuse in all levels of all christian denominations and not just the catholic church. But that doesn’t let any one denomination off the hook just because there are others who do the same thing.
I’ll never hand my trust in The Father, The Creator of All Things, to any human intermediary aside from the man killed 2000 years ago. If that makes me a “hagiophobe” then so be it.


13 posted on 05/17/2012 1:31:02 PM PDT by brent13a (Glenn Beck is an a$$hat.)
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To: kenavi
"And there have been zero sexual abuse cases alleged to have occured at Penn State's athletics dep't since Sandusky got arrested."

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, but when problems are effectively dealt with the occurrences go away. No one has ever claimed that abuses never happened or that the Church mismanaged a number of them when the scandal broke. However one feels about the theology of the Church it has cleaned house to the point where the incidence of abuse within the Church is now 1/87,000 what is is in society in general. It shows a will and resolve to fix the problem and sets the standard for every other religious and secular institution.

14 posted on 05/17/2012 1:32:15 PM PDT by Natural Law (Mary was the face that God chose for Himself.)
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To: brent13a
"I’ll never hand my trust in The Father, The Creator of All Things, to any human intermediary aside from the man killed 2000 years ago."

Its probably the topic for another thread, but if you trust Jesus you ought to trust what He said about His Church.

15 posted on 05/17/2012 1:34:59 PM PDT by Natural Law (Mary was the face that God chose for Himself.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
that is, as goes the church, so goes the culture.

There has been a significant problem, both in the Church (as well as in various Protestant communities), of allowing the degenerate secular culture to drive changes in the Church under the guise of "being relevant".

This trend must always be resisted and reversed. The Church must be a light to the secular culture, not the other way around.

16 posted on 05/17/2012 1:42:39 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Natural Law

What there is, is not ‘His’ church. It’s man’s church and man’s tradition.


17 posted on 05/17/2012 1:45:31 PM PDT by brent13a (Glenn Beck is an a$$hat.)
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To: OldNavyVet

no, it happens just in that order. when the church is gone altogether, the world will know utter darkness.


18 posted on 05/17/2012 1:52:34 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: brent13a
"It’s man’s church and man’s tradition."

Yours is man's opinion. You are certainly entitled to it, but it is not infallible. I will continue to belong to the Church began by Jesus Himself.

Peace be with you.

19 posted on 05/17/2012 1:52:41 PM PDT by Natural Law (Mary was the face that God chose for Himself.)
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To: OldNavyVet
don't mean to sound dogmatic. was just pointing out that when homosexuality slouches in the seminary, it winds up dancing in the streets.

I do believe that's some kind of law of nature.

20 posted on 05/17/2012 2:06:13 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: Natural Law

I just had this conversation this morning. So I will add, what other institution would Satan want most? That church established by Christ and protected by the Holy Spirit.


21 posted on 05/17/2012 2:11:38 PM PDT by tiki
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To: tiki
"I just had this conversation this morning. So I will add, what other institution would Satan want most? That church established by Christ and protected by the Holy Spirit."

Great point. Satan unsuccessfully tried to tempt and turn Jesus. I have no doubt that he temps all clergy and successfully turns some who, after all, fall short.

22 posted on 05/17/2012 3:15:34 PM PDT by Natural Law (Mary was the face that God chose for Himself.)
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To: brent13a


23 posted on 05/17/2012 3:26:54 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
"Non-Catholic Clergy Abuse & Crimes"

I am always terribly uncomfortable discussing any clergy sex abuse, whether Catholic or denominational. No one should feel good about the abuse of a child or the corruption of a person of God. Differences in doctrine do not denote evil and some of the most holy persons I have ever met have been Protestant and Baptist clergy. The vast majority have become clergy out of their love of Jesus and dedication to His Gospel. I have every reason to believe that Satan targets those servants of God for co-opting the same way he targets priests. In all cases the child, the church and the clergy are victims and in need of our prayers.

24 posted on 05/17/2012 4:51:12 PM PDT by Natural Law (Mary was the face that God chose for Himself.)
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To: Natural Law
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, but when problems are effectively dealt with the occurrences go away.

At least for the short term. What fundamentally has changed from the past, is what's important. I'm talking about practices, attitudes, and controls.
25 posted on 05/17/2012 7:51:14 PM PDT by kenavi (1% of the 1% were born in the 1%.)
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