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To: HarleyD; boatbums; wmfights; GiovannaNicoletta; caww
My point is that WHILE Israel remains in unbelief their house is desolated. God does not bless unbelief. And they will ONLY be blessed when the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled and their unbelief is removed.

Hey! There is hope for you yet HD. Unlike your Reformed Brothers you are at least beginning to recognize that God is not done with Israel. It is a question of timing. The next big step is to think about what does God do to open the eyes of Israel.

32 posted on 05/28/2012 7:23:38 AM PDT by wmfights
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To: wmfights; boatbums; GiovannaNicoletta; caww; Lee N. Field
I have consistently stated that I am not prepare to make any calls on eschatology. At the risk of sounding brass or pompous, before coming to ANY doctrinal conclusion I like to make sure that I'm correct. Otherwise I'll leave it for another time and study.

However, IMO there are certain truths that all Christians should understand and adhere to. I should note that these were basic principles I formulated when I became a Christian. Some of these are found here but when Lee or I brought them up they were never answered.

These are truths that seem to be constantly ignored when formulating other doctrine as they have been ignored here. No one seems to want to deal with them in a frank and thoughtful manner which surprises me. One will NEVER reconcile how a "certain hardening" can come upon Israel while maintaining man's free will. They are absolutely opposed. Yet here people don't seem to want to bother with comprehending what the scriptures are actually teaching us.

We are given to having "itching ears" so it is important that we pray for understanding before we make doctrinal decisions. Contrary to popular "God loves me/God loves Israel" mentality, God is very much interested in us formulating a good doctrinal understanding about Him. Yet good sound doctrine seems to be very boring to most people.

God loves us and blesses us ONLY because we are being conformed to the image of His Son-something He is doing by His grace and will. God gives grace to unbelievers but His wrath rests on them-not His blessings. Israel exists today because it was God's will. That doesn't mean that God loves Israel any more than He would have loved the formation of Rome or Nazi Germany which was also His doing. It simply mean that there is a divine purpose in all of this.

I would suggest we all listen to Lee's audiofiles in post 30.

33 posted on 05/28/2012 5:43:21 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: wmfights
And the denial of the promises of God to His chosen people continue, wmfights.

Again, denial of Scripture is denial of Jesus Christ, and, just like the lie that is being repeated here, that lie being that God is done with the Jews because they rejected their Messiah (in spite of the wealth of Scripture presented that proves that the Jews will return to Jesus Christ and be saved), then those who are denying Jesus Christ, the living Word of God, by denying the Bible, are just as desolate and discarded by Jesus as they attempt to claim the Jews are.

This is why I'm done, wmfights. We are not required by God to continue to convince those who refuse to accept truth. I am, again, very appreciative of these articles because there are some who will read them and learn and be blessed by the knowledge that God does not lie to anyone and does not deceive anyone and does not make promises to anyone that He does not keep.

As for the spiritually dead who continually surface on replacement theology threads to deny Jesus Christ and to lie about what He has said, leave them to their fate. God honors the choices that people make and so should we.

36 posted on 05/29/2012 1:16:21 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta (In the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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