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Mormons struggling with doubt turn to online support groups.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/mormons-struggling-with-doubt-turn-to-online-support-groups/2012/05/24/gJQASImHnU_print.html ^ | May 24, 2012 | Michelle Boorstein

Posted on 05/24/2012 12:19:11 PM PDT by greyfoxx39

Brian Johnston was desperate. The pressures of raising six children on one accountant salary were crushing, but worse was that he was starting to doubt the entire reason he and his wife had created a big family with a stay-at-home mom in the first place: Their Mormonism.

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The official church historian Marlin Jenson made news last year when he said that the loss of members in the last five or 10 years has been greater than perhaps any period since Mormonism was founded in 1830.

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For Mormons grappling with doubts, the potential spiritual consequences can appear frightening. Mormon scripture teaches that the lowest status in the afterlife, called Outer Darkness, is reserved for people who know Jesus and then become unbelievers. At times, the church can appear to respond harshly as well, tales about which surface on stayLDS.com, which receives about 700 visitors a day.

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When relatives found out four years ago that he was venting about the church online, they called his church and he was removed from leadership, he says, for expressing doubts about the literal truth of Mormonism. He lost his ”temple recommend” — a credential showing you are a good, orthodox Mormon, which means he can’t attend weddings and baptisms even of relatives or close friends, because those rituals happen in the temple and only Mormons in good standing are allowed in.

He sounds simultaneously heartbroken and seething with anger. “I’m pretty well a second-rate Mormon; I kind of sit in the back,” he said.

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1 posted on 05/24/2012 12:19:25 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: greyfoxx39

My wife and I have and value Mormon friends but have always had severe reservations about the church itself and many of the patently absurd beliefs. However, I think that we are likely to be bent over with nausea by the savage attracts on Mormons that are coming from Obama and friends. Eventually the country will either have a Marxist dictatorship or a long term civil war. When you are at the point where you like Muslims a whole lot more tha progressives . . .


2 posted on 05/24/2012 12:33:28 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: greyfoxx39

More mormon bashing.


3 posted on 05/24/2012 12:36:05 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: JimSEA

As a Catholic who constantly has to deal with people who claim to be Catholics, and who yet go out of their way to flip the bird to basic Church teachings (most of these being politicians), I have to stand up for the Mormon Church’s right to “temple decommit” or excommunicate or whatever they want to call it those members who don’t agree with the doctrine.

It’s all about truth in advertising. We all have the right to believe what we wish, or to not believe it. But you can’t claim to represent the beliefs of a church with an official doctrine.


4 posted on 05/24/2012 12:40:55 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: JimSEA
Not sure about your point here...

It appears that some are expecting the candidacy of a mormon to bring about a surrender to the propaganda arm of the mormon church. There are already indications from such sites as the American Spectator that mormonism is "untouchable".

Ain't gonna happen with the Obama campaign, and ain't gonna happen on FR.

Mitt's position as a candidate doesn't change the heretical and unChristian aspects of mormonism...just brings about long overdue light illustrating them.

Mitt is not the liberal he is in spite of his mormonism...he is what he is because of it.

5 posted on 05/24/2012 12:44:14 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Actually, the article has some errors.

For example, losing a temple recommend does not keep you from attending baptisms of friends or relatives. These do not occur in the temples, but in the local meeting houses and all are invited. It is the ordinance of “baptism for the dead”, which is discussed in Peter in the New Testament, that occurs in the temple and that is where someone stands in as proxy for a person who has died and a baptism occurs for them which those individuals can then elect to accept or reject up in the spirit world as they await judgement.

Same thing for weddings. Any orthadox wedding that is not a temple wedding, which are performed there for time and all eternity, can be attended if the couple elect to be married in a LDS Chapel instead of an LDS Temple.

Anyhow, those are a couple of inconsistancies that should be set straight.

Losing a temple recommend because you, in essence, are turning against the Church and rejecting its basic teachings (like the validity of the restoration through Jospeh Smith, or the validity of the Book of Mormon) means that you cannot attend temple ceremonies like the ones I described, but not that you can’t attend the same types of ceremonies performed outside the temple, or attend regular meetings of the church in its chapels each week.


6 posted on 05/24/2012 12:45:26 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Perdogg

http://www.exmormon.org

Is an interesting sight detailing the experiences of people that have been in the church of joseph smith


7 posted on 05/24/2012 12:49:35 PM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: greyfoxx39

The lds-org denies that Jesus is the Creator, that everything was created BY Him.

The lds-org is a thief of the Name and the Truth of Jesus Christ.

8 posted on 05/24/2012 12:57:14 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Jeff Head

“It is the ordinance of “baptism for the dead”, which is discussed in Peter in the New Testament”

Then why was it first discovered by the Mormons?


9 posted on 05/24/2012 1:02:48 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: Jeff Head
Sorry the article doesn't suit your needs, Jeff.

No temple recommend, no witnessing temple weddings of relatives or friends...period.

“baptism for the dead”, which MAY be discussed in Peter (actually not encouraged) in the New Testament is not Christian belief.

"Any orthadox "(orthodox?") wedding that is not a temple wedding, which are performed there for time and all eternity, can be attended if the couple elect to be married in a LDS Chapel instead of an LDS Temple"....the chapel is off limits for these weddings and they are relegated to the 'cultural hall' and held under the basketball hoop. There are strict regulations on what can be done and said in these non-temple weddings and they are highly discouraged by mormon leaders.

10 posted on 05/24/2012 1:06:58 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Mormon theology as it is today is mild in comparison with that of James Cone, Islamist clerics, Jim Jones or David Koresh. We’ve a follower of Cone in the White Hous now.


11 posted on 05/24/2012 1:08:49 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: greyfoxx39

When relatives found out four years ago that he was venting about the church online, they called his church and he was removed from leadership, he says, for expressing doubts about the literal truth of Mormonism. He lost his ”temple recommend” — a credential showing you are a good, orthodox Mormon, which means he can’t attend weddings and baptisms even of relatives or close friends, because those rituals happen in the temple and only Mormons in good standing are allowed in.
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THe same thing happens to people who “vent about Obama online” and “doubt the literal truth of Obamaism”

Ya lose yer freedoms and ya get arrested...

Both religions are somewhat equal in importance and validity..

:)


12 posted on 05/24/2012 1:24:02 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Perdogg
More mormon bashing.

More like Mormonism and it should be, it's a cult - deceiving people straight to hell. If you love people, you should welcome Mormonism being exposed for the cult it is and tell mormons The Truth.

13 posted on 05/24/2012 1:25:01 PM PDT by presently no screen name (God First!! VAB: Voting Against Both---> Romney and Obama.)
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To: Bidimus1
I wonder how many ex-Catholic, ex-Jewish, ex-Baptist, ex-Hindu, ex-evangelical, ex-Marxist, ex-bass fisher there are?

No one is buying this campaign to defeat Romney thru his mormonism. It won't work.

14 posted on 05/24/2012 1:28:42 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: JimSEA
Mormon theology as it is today is mild in comparison with that of James Cone, Islamist clerics, Jim Jones or David Koresh. We’ve a follower of Cone in the White Hous now.

I see that as no reason to accept a follower of Joseph Smith into the White House.

15 posted on 05/24/2012 1:34:55 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: greyfoxx39
This is your funniest article yet. I love it.

I'll bet millions of people will read this fair and insightful WashPo piece and realize what a horror the Mormon Church is, which will lead them to realize what a horror Mitt Romney would be as president and that will send them screaming into the fleshy arms of Virgil Goode.

Good job! You're making a difference.

16 posted on 05/24/2012 1:35:54 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Jeff Head

It is the ordinance of “baptism for the dead”, which is discussed in Peter in the New Testament, that occurs in the temple and that is where someone stands in as proxy for a person who has died and a baptism occurs for them which those individuals can then elect to accept or reject up in the spirit world as they await judgement.
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Dead dunking is blasphemeous and unBiblical..

It denies the Blood of the LORD Jesus Christ on the Cross for our salvation...

Its something the pagans did but not the Christians..

Neither Peter nor Paul ever said that dead dunking was an “ordinance” of Christianity...

Both said once you are dead you are dead..

and then comes the judgement...

Its too late then...

If Mormons really believed that they could just get saved AFTER they died they wouldnt give one more sacrificial penny to the Mormon business, they would pay their bills, get out of debt and spend Sundays with their families doing something enjoyable and beneficial...

and the wife would find she no longer feels the need for all that Prozac...


17 posted on 05/24/2012 1:36:17 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Deb

So happy to have your approval Deb.


18 posted on 05/24/2012 1:41:34 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: Jeff Head

Jeff the idea is for Mormons to have a “temple wedding”

Like Willard Romney and Ann Davies had, banning her family from attending ...

Oh yes the Mormons are SOOOOOOOO much for families...

None of the 15% of Mormons who are temple Mormons would want anything less...

Mormons dont believe they are married unless they have the pagan rituals and “sealings” for marriage in the Mormon afterlife including the procreation of further children on their afterlife planet etc of the temple with their temple clothes on green Adams fig leaf apron and all..


19 posted on 05/24/2012 1:43:26 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Jeff Head

Losing a temple recommend because you, in essence, are turning against the Church and rejecting its basic teachings (like the validity of the restoration through Jospeh Smith, or the validity of the Book of Mormon)
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Jeff explain to the lurkers what happens to people who do this ...what happens after they die ...

Start with me as a Blood bought Born again Bible believing Christian...

What do you as a Mormon believe will happen to me...


20 posted on 05/24/2012 1:48:19 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: greyfoxx39
You are welcome, my darling.

Any WashPo news on support groups for ex-Jews, Catholics, Baptists, Hindus, Taoists, Frisbetarians (they worship Frisbees and believe that when you die your soul lands on the roof and you can't get it down)?

Let us know if you come across something. Thanks, you're the BEST!!

21 posted on 05/24/2012 1:48:48 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Perdogg
"More mormon bashing."

I don't know about anyone else, but the whole "Mormon bashing"/"Mormon hate" thing has gotten old for me. Who here HATES Mormons? No one, of course. Personally, I feel for folks who happen to be caught up in it. But all of a sudden, calling a non-Christian religion what it is counts as "bashing." Nonsense.

22 posted on 05/24/2012 1:49:07 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: Deb
Thanks, you're the BEST!!

Oh no...YOU'RE the bestest. [Smmooocchhh!]

23 posted on 05/24/2012 2:03:04 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
OMG, Nana, I hope you're not implying that Ricky Schroder won't go to heaven if he leaves the Mormon Church!!!! Or Donny and Marie!!! That would be terrible. I can't even think about it.

Fortunately, God looks to the heart of people who seek him and he doesn't read stupid, poisonous threads on web sites.

24 posted on 05/24/2012 2:12:47 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb

Gollies Deb you wouldnt be doing a little bit of Mormon bashing and hate would you ???

YOU of all people ???

Oh noez...


25 posted on 05/24/2012 2:16:07 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Deb

Deb.. I will be forced to vote against obama, this does not mean I must change my views of the church of joseph smith.


26 posted on 05/24/2012 2:18:14 PM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: Tennessee Nana
I'm sorry about your recent brain injury, but I love Mormons. Especially Wilford Brimley and the kid from "Napoleon Dynamite". And I don't bash religions in order to advance 3rd party candidates.

I know Obama appreciates all the efforts of the flying monkey, zombie brigade to defeat Romney for him, but the extraordinary goodness displayed by members of the Mormon Church, make all your claims of "evil" and "unchristian" laughable.

27 posted on 05/24/2012 2:26:29 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb

Deb the braibn injury belongs to the Mormos who believe their doctrines which are unBiblical...

If you want to be dead dunked into Mormonism after death, Im sure the Mormons will be happy to oblige you...

They’ll even seal you in marriage to Elvis if ythats your preferrence...

or even whomever...

As you indicate...

what does it matter that the Bible strictly teaches against marriage after death and dead dunking...

Its what the progressive new theology group-think believe thats counts...

Islam and Mormonism and New Age together...

There ya go...


28 posted on 05/24/2012 2:41:02 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Deb

I’m not voting for Mitt. No “god in embryo,” be they Marxist, Mormon, or otherwise, gets my vote. Period. No human political system is too big to fail, but the consequences of disregarding our Creator go on forever.

Don’t worry. I am confident that people like me do not number in the millions. Or even the hundred-thousands. Or even the thousands. But if Virgil is the only guy I can vote for in good conscience, so be it. I will trust the consequences to God.


29 posted on 05/24/2012 2:42:06 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Tennessee Nana
You're sounding crazier with every post. Show me where "the Bible strictly teaches against marriage after death and dead dunking". I don't even know what you're talking about, but I'd love to see those scriptures.

The dominate "strictly" taught lessons I learned from the Bible was about hypocrisy and judgement and worrying about your own soul.

Once again, attempting to use the Bible to advance your political candidate is more evil than all the nonsense you phonies spend your days wailing against.

30 posted on 05/24/2012 2:55:37 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: greyfoxx39

I’ve repeatedly said I won’t vote for. Romney due to his political history with Romney care, etc. But I’m less worked up with his religion. I don’t like the sensationalist press gang tackling anyone on a put up narrative. It’s what they did with Palin and her socially conservative positions. Her greatest sin was failing to get an abortion according to the left.


31 posted on 05/24/2012 2:55:45 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Springfield Reformer
Yeah, ole Virgil will come thru for ya. Third parties always solve the big problems and save the day.

Truly, no one cares who you vote for or why. Have a great time with your principles during Obama part deux. Just don't pretend God is on your side. He told me to tell you that.

32 posted on 05/24/2012 2:59:50 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb
In response to Deb, "Show me where the Bible strictly teaches against marriage after death....

"23 That same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question. 24 “Teacher,” they said, “Moses told us that if a man dies without having children, his brother must marry the widow and raise up offspring for him. 25 Now there were seven brothers among us. The first one married and died, and since he had no children, he left his wife to his brother. 26 The same thing happened to the second and third brother, right on down to the seventh. 27 Finally, the woman died. 28 Now then, at the resurrection, whose wife will she be of the seven, since all of them were married to her?” ---Matthew 22

"29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage"

Clearly, NOBODY is in a married state in heaven, otherwise Jesus' words here make no sense.

33 posted on 05/24/2012 3:05:34 PM PDT by cookcounty ("We're all born idiots, and we only get over that condition as we get less young." -J Goldberg)
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To: cookcounty

...but I WILL vote for Romney in November...


34 posted on 05/24/2012 3:07:28 PM PDT by cookcounty ("We're all born idiots, and we only get over that condition as we get less young." -J Goldberg)
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To: cookcounty; Deb
"29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage"

Clearly, NOBODY is in a married state in heaven, otherwise Jesus' words here make no sense.


Read through what Jesus said, what you said, and then point out where you went astray, at least in a logical fashion.
35 posted on 05/24/2012 3:07:32 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Deb

Once again, attempting to use the Bible to advance your political candidate is more evil than all the nonsense you phonies spend your days wailing against.
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and once again I notice it doesnt seem to have inhibited you in the least...


36 posted on 05/24/2012 3:08:11 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: cookcounty
Oh, come on. That doesn't even come close to applying to their argument. Jesus is talking about relationships "at the resurrection".

I admit, the Mormon practices are weird, but are obviously out of concern for the souls of the unsaved. And they are NOT "strictly taught against" as was claimed.

This is getting ridiculous.

37 posted on 05/24/2012 3:23:38 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Huh? Are you under the impression you're making sense? What should be "inhibiting" me, your lack of logic, reason or honesty? Or would you just prefer to cackle back and forth to the other Constitution Party thugs with no one else responding?

Heaven knows none of you can back ANYTHING you say. No wonder you can't stand to be challenged.

38 posted on 05/24/2012 3:30:13 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb

I admit, the Mormon practices are weird, but are obviously out of concern for the souls of the unsaved.
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out of so called “concern for the souls of the unsaved” Mormons used to murder non-Mormons claiming that the persons own shed blood spilled out on the ground would save him or her...

Do you really think that was OK ???


39 posted on 05/24/2012 3:32:17 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Oh, NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

That sounds terrible. I had no idea!!! Then surely we must all vote for Virgil Goode!!!!!

You're an idiot.

40 posted on 05/24/2012 3:38:29 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Jeff Head

Jeff, you know I respect you, but there really is no Biblical support for baptism for the dead. If there were, the Bible is my authority, and I would follow it. No other book, no other claim to revelation, can trump the Bible.

Although I am sure there have been many excellent words spent debating this point by scholars more worthy than I, the article below gives a brief overview of the essential points, from a traditional Christian point of view:

http://carm.org/baptism-for-the-dead-in-1-corinthians-15-29

As someone else here has already pointed out, no one in the Bible, either Christ or the Apostles, ever sanctioned baptism for the dead as a Christian ordinance.

Instead, in 1 Corinthians 15:29, Paul is arguing for a general belief in the possibility of human resurrection, and uses what is probably a local pagan practice to illustrate his point, because not even the local pagan baptizers of the dead (and there were such folks near Corinth) would do so unless there were a resurrection coming in which to collect the hoped for benefit.

But Paul never says, “Therefore, you go do this.” As an attorney, I see this sort of mistake all the time in legal analysis. A court writes an opinion, and uses some illustration to make a point. But it’s not the holding, not the endpoint of the logic of the opinion, just a decoration used to enlighten the reader along the way.

Yet the young lawyer (or the old lawyer who’s a poor reader) latches onto the illustration as if it were a statement of law, which it is not, and in court they go down in flames because they could not make the distinction. But the judge can. And the better attorney can. Find the holding, and go with that. Use the illustrations as the writer used them. No more. No less.

I am reformed in my theology. One of the lesser known but very valuable aspects of that tradition is known as the Regulative Principle. Realizing that the Bible is the very word of God, we have an extremely serious obligation to be sure we do not impose burdens on the human soul that God Himself does not impose. We therefore cannot make an obligation out of something which no person in Scripture issued as a command to the Church. That was the error of the Pharisees, and Jesus condemned them severely for it.

And what are those things posed in Scripture as commands of action to Christians, as under the authority of Christ and the Apostles? Have faith in Jesus. Reject false christs. Flee from idolatry. Flee from sexual sin. Wait patiently for Jesus to return. Do good while you wait. Love each other. Love your enemy. On and on I could go.

But there is no command in the Bible to baptize surrogate believers for dead nonbelievers. Not only does Paul use strictly descriptive rather than imperative language, but he never even tells us whether the “dead” being vicariously baptized were believers or not. And of course that’s not his point, so why should he mention it?

And so the Regulative Principle informs us that in the absence of such a command, we not only have no authority from God to impose such a practice on believers, but that if we do so impose, without authority, we usurp the role of God, and make ourselves greater than him. God sets the terms of his own worship. He has told us what we need to do, and we sin if we either subtract from it or add to it practices that have no command authority from Him.

Remember the sin under Moses of the two sons of Aaron? What was their crime, that was so great God struck them dead for it? It was offering to God a form of worship which He did not command, burning an incense other than the one God required. Strange fire, as it is called.

Happily, God is a God of mercy, and he knows we sometimes wander from his way through ignorance or misinformation, and he hardly ever strikes us down immediately for our many errors. Else who could serve him?

But he does require of us to live according to the light he has given us. If some folks still mistakenly but innocently think they are helping out by baptism for the dead, God is their judge. Not me. But those who do lay claim to understanding the Scripture, if they impose a false and pagan practice on well-meaning but uninformed individuals, they will be held to a higher and sterner standard. Few stripes and many stripes.

Jeff, I take you to be a man of integrity. I hope you will take these words as from love and not vainglory. The wounds of a friend are faithful.

Peace,

SR


41 posted on 05/24/2012 3:45:04 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Deb

You seem to have something against the idea of honoring the Constitution of the United States...

Only unAmerican liberals call me a thug...

especially a “Constitution thug”

I’ll take that as a badge of honor of sorts...

No matter if you mind or not...

My ancestors fought and died for this country...

and my pastor said to me the other day...

“Veterans deserve our thanks” as he thanked me for my service to our country...

My pastor always announces in advance that he and the church plan to recognize the service of the veterans in our congregation...

and he speaks of God and how God has blessed our nation ..

But then my pastor is another of what you term a “Constitution thug”

On Sunday I’ll ptobasbly cry as usual...

Tennessee Nana
US Veteran


42 posted on 05/24/2012 3:50:57 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: greyfoxx39

Zealots and the the outside world never mix well. Am so thankful for the 2nd Amendment which protects me from these nutcases.


43 posted on 05/24/2012 4:02:54 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: Deb

Deb, you’re cute, but I’m past the ridicule stage. This is deadly serious to me. I hate that the GOP foisted this person on us. I hate that the GOP electorate was so easily duped by lies. And I really hate that it fosters division among those who should be united in peace. I understand your desire to use guilt to manipulate people into voting against their conscience. I disagree with it as a technique, but I really do understand it. You may not care about my vote in particular (that’s fine), but you do care about the outcome, and that’s good. I care about it too. I don’t want my family growing up under such oppression. But I’m not going to tweak my conscience for you, or anybody else. Sorry. I don’t answer to you, and you don’t answer to me. So be it.


44 posted on 05/24/2012 4:08:54 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Perdogg
More mormon bashing.

That's what Joseph Smith did when asked "the Lord about which denomination he should join"! He vilified all creeds of Christianity with one statement, God didn't say that, he did! And then he went and joined the Methodist Church!
45 posted on 05/24/2012 4:17:21 PM PDT by ForAmerica (Conservative Christian Black Man!)
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To: Springfield Reformer
Excellent post, SR....especially But I’m not going to tweak my conscience for you, or anybody else. Sorry. I don’t answer to you, and you don’t answer to me. So be it.
46 posted on 05/24/2012 4:18:15 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: Jeff Head

Given the Mormon church’s way of not putting up with the arguments of unbelievers within the church, (which is currently destroying many Christian congregations) it is going to be challenging for Mormons to go through this process of being center stage with Romney.

Ridicule is the name of the political game these days and triple for Republicans. Triple that ridicule for the added deminision of religion in a Republican candidate. You will find out if your church is strong because it is closely controlled and doubts are supressed, or if it is strong on it’s own foundation because Mormons are going to be exposed to every piece of dirt that can be conjured. Romney is uncapping the lid.

Good luck as you guys venture out into the public! The other Christian groups, especially the young who take the rejection to heart, have not stood up together for their faith and Christian way of life so well.


47 posted on 05/24/2012 4:20:35 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Deb

You are aware this is the Religion Forum aren’t you, that’s where religious issues are discussed. If you don’t want to discuss the issues (this thread mormonism), by actually adding to the discussion, maybe you shouldn’t get on the thread.


48 posted on 05/24/2012 4:25:25 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Deb; Springfield Reformer
Just don't pretend God is on your side. He told me to tell you that.

So, calling people names, ridiculing their convictions and opinions is not enough, now you mock God Almighty.

How sad for you, that this is the level you and other Romney supporters have sunk.

49 posted on 05/24/2012 4:34:15 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: ForAmerica; Buckeye McFrog

and Joey Smith got excommunicated from the Methodist Church...

and the Presbyterian Church...

and although Joey Smith badmouthed them for doing so ..

I know that BM will say as he said in Post #4

“I have to stand up for the Methodist Church and the Presbyterian Church’s right to excommunicate those members who don’t agree with the Christian doctrine.”


50 posted on 05/24/2012 4:37:10 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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