Skip to comments.Quake reveals day of Jesus' crucifixion, researchers believe
Posted on 05/24/2012 8:35:52 PM PDT by caldera599
Geologists say Jesus, as described in the New Testament, was most likely crucified on Friday, April 3, in the year 33. The latest investigation, reported in International Geology Review, focused on earthquake activity at the Dead Sea, located 13 miles from Jerusalem. The Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 27, mentions that an earthquake coincided with the crucifixion: And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split and the tombs broke open.
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There are no conclusions reached here, only conjecture.
And it's sorta sad to have to base your faith on screwed up human calendars.
I once spent a month, more or less, studying the calendars used in history. Makes me grateful for the 1970 epoch counting of Unix time and UTC.
Not scientific. But, if you look into history it’s arguable that the exodus of the Hebrews was started after a massive volcanic eruption.
Gas that kills “first born”? Probably more than that if it was methane release. Reptiles jumping out of the river, filed with “blood” or lava. A fissure that could cause the Red Sea to shift and leave an area to cross?
Of course, this would be over years. But doesn’t the Bible tell stories over years?
Just a conjecture for a thinking excercise.
Doesn’t matter which calendar. The numbers are different, but the days of the week are the same. Friday, 15 Oct, 1582 was the next day after Thursday, 2 Oct, 1582, right in sync. And both calendars took their ordinal days of the week straight from the Jewish.
The Julian calendar uses ordinal days of the week from the Jews? The Roman Calendar reformed by Julius Caesar in 45 BC took their ordinal days of the week from the Jews?
I don't think so.
Well, that clears it right up.
Then in other words everyone’s time is being wasted.
For dates back around 33 AD, I'd say the first new moon after the vernal equinox, plus or minus a week is plenty close enough for my faith.
There are those that strain at a gnat and swallow a camel. And wars have been fought over it.
You obviously know more about this then me, but I can just imagine the variances and mistakes in time keeping over the centuries. We can’t even keep time right at a short sporting event these days!
And the story was from MSNBC. At least the estimate was 3/33 and not 6/66!
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Bet you never had to puzzle over the Peloponnesian calendar of 4th century B.C. That one may never be unraveled.
If we bother to read the article, it states that the four Gospels all agree that the day of crucifixion was a Friday. I’m still trying to figure out where it states in the Scriptures the day is a Friday. Certainly, the commentary states so - it also says that on Wednesday of Passion Week nothing happened (NIV).
There was only one lunar eclipse visible from Jerusalem at the time of Passover in the period from 26 - 36 AD. It occurred on Friday April 3, AD 33. The Moon rose above the horizon already in the midst of eclipse and would have progressively ‘turned to blood’ as the eclipse continued.
“If we bother to read the article, it states that the four Gospels all agree that the day of crucifixion was a Friday. Im still trying to figure out where it states in the Scriptures the day is a Friday. Certainly, the commentary states so - it also says that on Wednesday of Passion Week nothing happened (NIV).”
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They didn’t look at exact hours like we do, people referred
to time in days. Jesus states it Himself.
And he said to them: Go and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and do cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I am consummated.
The Sabbath is on a Saturday by definition.
Steps were taken (breaking legs, stabbing Christ with a spear to ensure they didn’t have to bother breaking His) to get the crucifixions over with so they could remove & bury the bodies before Sabbath. While it may not say which day per se, that they were in “hurry up and get this over with” mode by mid-afternoon points to being the day before Sabbath - to wit Friday.
(It’s 3:18AM, so my brain is muddled. Correct me if I’m wrong.)
Reading for you, CB, Pat
If the last possibility is true, this would mean that the report of an earthquake in the Gospel of Matthew is a type of allegory, they write.
If the Gospel says it happened, it happened.
The teaching of the bible is clear (and remarkable), unlike the junk that has been passed down through the years as church "history." The mis-understanding has to do with the fact that the "high holy" sabbath at the end of passover (John 19:31) had nothing to due with "saturday." Every Jew would know that......but then who cares what the Jews think........right Ignacius?...../sarc
What is surprising is that MSNBC is admitting that there was a Jesus and that he was crucified.
I have no idea what you are referencing.
I don't think "Ignacius" had much to say on the issue.
The Scripture says the women went to anoint the body on the morning of the "first day of the week". They wouldn't have waited (or been able to wait) 4 whole days to do that. (cf Lazarus ... "he has been in the tomb 3 days, surely there will be a stench") The reason they waited was because the day before, and only the day before, was a Sabbath. That means that there was only that one day intervening between Jesus' death and Sunday morning. If there had been another non-Sabbath day in between, they would have anointed him then.
The Julian calendar of 45 BC did not have ordinal days of the week. A “week” is strictly a Jewish concept. The Greeks didn’t even have a word for it, and thus transliterated Sabbath straight from the Hebrew to translate the bible into Greek. To this day, the Greek word is literally merely, “sevens” (Hebtomada), and in Latin, “seven days” (Septomana)
The concept of “week” entered Roman culture only with the spread of Judaism and Christianity. And yes, even while they still used the Julian calendar, those Romans who counted days of the week counted “Yom Rishon” (the first day) as Dies Solis (Sunday).
Do you know what day Passover begins on?
It wasn’t “gas” that killed the firstborn, it was the Angel of Death. Besides, if it had been some low-concentration poisonous gas, it would have been more likely to kill the youngest children than the eldest.
I don’t think the Gospels ever specifically say it was on Friday, but it is an inference from the timing of events. Mainly, interpreting the Last Supper as a Passover feast, which would take place on Thursday after sundown, and noting that the body needed to be taken down and entombed in a hurry, because that kind of work could not be done on a Sabbath. So, if those two events are the “bookends”, then the trial, passion, and cruxifixion all need to fit between sunup on Friday and sundown on Friday.
I’m not trying to “debunk” the Bible, I’m just discussing the practical explanations for the story of Exodus.
There’s no need for “practical” explanations unless you doubt God. What’s the “practical” explanation for a man born from a virgin? A miracle is by definition not practical.
I put my trust in the Word of God, not geologists who do not know how to or take time to study the Word of God which gives us very specific details as to the day of the week Messiah died. According to Scripture, the Passover lamb had to be inspected “IN” the House of God (the Temple) for 4 days prior to being sacrificed and thus since Messiah became the final Passover lamb, according to Scripture, he had to be inspected in the House of his Father (the Temple) for 4 days by the priests prior to his offering himself up for our sins. (Ex 12:3-6, Mt 21-26, Mk 11-14, Lk 19-22)
When one studies the ENTIRE Word of God as a whole, not just the final 1/3 of the book in isolationist fashion, that is to pick out a verse and make it mean what one wants it to mean, many hidden treasures pop out that normally wouldn't unless one has an understanding of the prophesy of the Savior given through Moses. Yes, Moses also believed in the Savior. He knew the true promised land is the land under the rule & reign of Messiah as King.(Heb 11:24-26)
Moses reveals it all, One Shepard, One House, One Word of God from the beginning throughout all eternity. The Messiah is all over the books of Genesis through Deuteronomy. Waiting there for all who have it in their hearts to humble themselves, pray, seek God's face and turn back to His Way (2 Chron 7:14; Ps 119)
Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 15:24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Joh 11:49 And one of them, Caiaphas, being high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all, 50 nor do you consider that it is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and not that the whole nation should perish.”
Joh 11:51 Now this he did not say on his own authority; but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation (Judea), 52 and not for that nation only, but also that He would gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad. 53 Then, from that day on, they plotted to put Him to death.
Joh 11:54 Therefore Jesus no longer walked openly among the Jews, but went from there into the country near the wilderness, to a city called Ephraim (Gen 48:19, Rm 11:25), and there remained with His disciples.
Jas 1:1 James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad: Greetings.
Joh 7:35 Then the Jews said among themselves, “Where does He intend to go that we shall not find Him? Does He intend to go to the Dispersion among the Greeks and teach the Greeks?
1Pe 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the pilgrims of the Dispersion
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caldera599, dangus — the newfangled Sabatorians with their modern re-interpretations won’t believe God’s word or anything else but what their cult leaders tell them...
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