[12} Fruits of the Holy Spirit [Catholic Caucus]

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Fruits of the Holy Spirit

They are supernatural works that manifest the presence of the Holy Spirit. Identifiable effects of the Holy Spirit.

The one who performs these supernatural works recognizes God’s spiritual presence in the happiness he experiences by doing them.

Others around him sense God’s spiritual presence by witnessing these good works.

The Church takes its official list of the Fruits of the Holy Spirit from the Latin Vulgate Bible. In the Douay-Rheims translation: Gal 5:22 “But the fruit of the Spirit is, charity, joy, peace, patience, benignity, goodness, longanimity, mildness, faith, modesty, continency, chastity.”

Charity Joy Peace Patience

Benignity Goodness Longanimity Mildness

Faith Modesty Continence Chastity

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**These extra “virtues” are, in my opinion, superfluous.**

I don’t think you are really saying that you want
to live a life with bouts of anger rather than long-suffering patience,
or being tactless and rude rather than mild and gentle,
or being immodest and wearing a see-through blouse to church with no slip or camisole underneath,
or having ‘outside of marriage’ affairs rather than having a marriage founded in chastity to one another,
or running around in worldly circles and sexual parties rather than having self-control or continence.

You really can’t use secular definitions with spiritual Gifts and Fruits.

So do you want to live your life secularly or spiritually?

This was from the Douay=Rheims which came from the Latin Vulglare.

You may want to read the Jerusalem also — fornication is mentioned there as being opposite of chastity/self-control.

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You may be more familiar with the 'corrupted' version of Galations from the New American Bible. Unfortunately for us, the bishops either thought we could not understand those words or didn't want us to know that sins of immodesty and unchastity or a lack of faith were not using the Fruits of the Holy Spirit.....Sigh......when will we get a better translation?

You can easily see that the NAB lists only nine of the 12 Fruits of the Holy Spirit, leaving out Faith, Chastity and Modesty.

Gal 5:16-25

Brothers and sisters, live by the Spirit
and you will certainly not gratify the desire of the flesh.
For the flesh has desires against the Spirit,
and the Spirit against the flesh;
these are opposed to each other,
so that you may not do what you want.
But if you are guided by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are obvious:
immorality, impurity, lust, idolatry,
sorcery, hatreds, rivalry, jealousy,
outbursts of fury, acts of selfishness,
dissensions, factions, occasions of envy,
drinking bouts, orgies, and the like.
I warn you, as I warned you before,
that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
In contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,
patience, kindness, generosity,
faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.
Against such there is no law.
Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified their flesh
with its passions and desires.
If we live in the Spirit, let us also follow the Spirit.

[Salvation]

You may be more familiar with the 'corrupted' version of Galations from the New American Bible. Unfortunately for us, the bishops either thought we could not understand those words or didn't want us to know that sins of immodesty and unchastity or a lack of faith were not using the Fruits of the Holy Spirit.....Sigh......when will we get a better translation?

You can easily see that the NAB lists only nine of the 12 Fruits of the Holy Spirit, leaving out Faith, Chastity and Modesty.

Gal 5:16-25

Brothers and sisters, live by the Spirit
and you will certainly not gratify the desire of the flesh.
For the flesh has desires against the Spirit,
and the Spirit against the flesh;
these are opposed to each other,
so that you may not do what you want.
But if you are guided by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are obvious:
immorality, impurity, lust, idolatry,
sorcery, hatreds, rivalry, jealousy,
outbursts of fury, acts of selfishness,
dissensions, factions, occasions of envy,
drinking bouts, orgies, and the like.
I warn you, as I warned you before,
that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
In contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,
patience, kindness, generosity,
faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.
Against such there is no law.
Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified their flesh
with its passions and desires.
If we live in the Spirit, let us also follow the Spirit.

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Very difficult for me too.

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The Twelve Fruits of the Holy Spirit

Charity - Joy - Peace - Patience - Kindness - Goodness
Generosity - Gentleness - Faithfulness - Modesty - Self-control - Chastity

The Catechism tells us that "the fruits of the Spirit are perfections that the Holy Spirit forms in us as the first fruits of eternal glory" (§1832)