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Seven Differences Between Mormonism and Christianity
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Posted on 05/27/2012 9:35:33 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

Introduction

The purpose of this is to let you know seven
differences between Mormonism and traditional
Christianity (Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox).
Many would think that Mormonism is simply a part of
Christianity, particularly since they are called “The
Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints”
(emphasis added). The problem is that we, as traditional
Christians, think that Mormonism is teaching another
Jesus than what the Bible teaches (cf. 2 Corinthians
11:3-4, 13-15).

The Seven Differences

1. Mormon scripture teaches that all the various
Christian denominations, particularly the
Presbyterians, Baptists, and Methodists, are all
considered by Jesus Christ to be “wrong.” When
the Mormon prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. was questioning,
as a 14-year-old boy, which of these churches to join, he
claimed, “I was answered that I must join none of them, for
they were all wrong; and the Personage who
addressed me said that all their creeds were an
abomination in his sight; that those professors were
all corrupt; that: ‘they draw near to me with their
lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for
doctrines the commandments of men, having a form
of godliness, but they deny the power thereof’”
(Joseph Smith--History 1:19, Pearl of Great Price,
emphasis added, cf. 1:9).
“Behold there are save two churches only; the one is
the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the
church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not
to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that
great church, which is the mother of abominations;
and she is the whore of all the earth (1 Nephi 14:10,
Book of Mormon).”

2. Mormon scripture, prophets and apostles teach that

there is more than one god who created this world,
that there are many gods who rule over other worlds,
and that worthy Mormons may one day become gods
themselves. Even though Mormons claim there is only
one God for them, they still believe that the Father,
Son, and Holy Spirit are separate gods who are only
one in their purpose rather than in a personal being
that they share eternally.
Three separate personages--Father, Son, and Holy Ghost-
-comprise the Godhead. As each of these persons is a
God, it is evident, from this standpoint alone, that a
plurality of Gods exists. To us, speaking in the proper
finite sense, these three are the only Gods we worship.
But in addition there is an infinite number of holy
personages, drawn from worlds without number, who
have passed on to exaltation and are thus gods (Bruce R.
McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 576-7).
“Here, then, is eternal life--to know the only wise and true
God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods
yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same
as all Gods have done before you, namely, by going from
one small degree to another… until you attain to the
resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in
everlasting burnings, and to sit in glory, as do those who
sit enthroned in everlasting power (Joseph Smith,
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 346-7).

“As man is God once was, as God is man may be”
(Prophet Lorenzo Snow, The Life of Lorenzo Snow by
Thomas C. Romney, 46).
“And then the Lord said: Let us go down. And they went
down at the beginning, and they, that is the Gods,
organized and formed the heavens and the earth”
(Abraham 4:1, The Pearl of Great Price).

3. Mormon scripture, prophets and apostles teach

that God the Father is an exalted man with flesh
and bones.
“God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted
man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! …I say, if
you were to see him today, you would see him like a man
in form--like yourselves in all the person, image, and
very form as a man; ...I am going to tell you how God
came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that
God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea,
and take away the veil, so that you may see” (Smith,
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 345).
“The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as
man’s” (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22).

4. Mormon prophets and apostles teach that God

the Father has at least one wife by which we were
all literally born from as spirit children prior to
coming to this earth. Some of these prophets and
apostles have even taught that Jesus had wives
and children.
“This glorious truth of celestial parentage,
including specifically both a Father and a Mother, is
heralded forth by song in one of the greatest of
Latter-day Saint hymns. O My Father by Eliza R.
Snow, written in 1843 during the lifetime of the
Prophet, includes this teaching:
“ In the heavens are parents single? No; the thought makes reason stare!
Truth is reason, truth eternal, Tells me I’ve a Mother there.
When I leave this frail existence, When I lay this mortal by,
Father, Mother, may I meet you In your royal courts on high?”
(McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 516-7).
“We have now clearly shown that God the Father had
a plurality of wives, one or more being in eternity,
by whom He begat our spirits as well as the spirit of
Jesus His First Born, and another being upon the
earth by whom He begat the tabernacle of Jesus, as
His Only Begotten in this world. We have also
proved most clearly that the Son followed the
example of his Father, and became the great
Bridegroom to whom kings’ daughters and many
honorable Wives were to be married” (Apostle Orson
Pratt, The Seer, 172).
When our father Adam came into the garden of
Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and
brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped
to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL,
the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about
whom holy men have written and spoken--He is our
FATHER and our God, and the only God with
whom WE have to do (Prophet Brigham Young,
Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, 50).
NOTE: Most Mormons are unaware that Brigham
Young in fact taught that Adam was the God of this
world. Only members of fundamentalist Mormon groups
(not affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday
Saints) hold to this doctrine today. Regardless of this
identification of God as being Adam, no one denies that
Young believed that God the Father has more than one wife.

5. Mormon prophets and apostles teach that God

the Father had a Father whom He followed as
Jesus had followed Him. This follows from the
preceding points.
“If Abraham reasoned thus—If Jesus Christ was
the Son of God, and John discovered that God the
Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may
suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there
ever a son without a father? And where was there
ever a father without first being a son? Whenever
did a tree or anything spring into existence without a
progenitor? And everything comes in this way.
…Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe
that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of
being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the
Bible is full of it.
I want you to pay particular attention to what I am
saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely
in the same way as His Father had done before Him.
As the Father had done before? He laid down His
life, and took it up the same as His Father had done
before” (Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph
Smith, 373).

6. Mormon prophets and apostles teach that there

are many things that Jesus did not create. For
example, He did not create our spirits, nor did He
create Lucifer, nor did He even create the planet
that He was born on as a spirit. The reason for this
is because Mormons believe that Jesus and Lucifer
are literally brothers, and we as humans are all the
younger brothers and sisters of them. We were all
born of heavenly parents, who did the creating work
of their world (not all worlds whatsoever) before we
arrived spiritually in heaven.
“The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the
world was contested by one of the other sons of God.
He was called Lucifer, son of the morning. Haughty,
ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this
spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the
Savior of mankind” (Milton R. Hunter, The Gospel
through the Ages, 15).

7. Mormon prophets and apostles teach that we

should not pray directly to Jesus. Rather, they can
only pray directly to the Father in the name of Jesus.
Apostle Bruce McConkie said concerning the Father,
“He is the one to whom we have direct access by
prayer, and if there were some need -- which there is
not -- to single out one member of the Godhead, for a
special relationship, the Father, not the Son, would be
the one to choose. Our relationship with the Son is
one of brother or sister in the pre-mortal life.’
Referring to “others who have an excessive zeal,”
McConkie went on to say that they devote themselves to
gaining a special, personal relationship with Christ
that is both improper and perilous. ...Another peril is that those so
involved often begin to pray directly to Christ because of some
special friendship they feel has been developed.
...This is plain sectarian nonsense. Our prayers are
addressed to the Father and to Him only (BYU
Devotional [March 2, 1982], 17, 19 & 20).

A Christian Response

Some Mormons may quibble that some of these
sources are non-scriptural, and are thus simply the
opinions of men with no binding authority. But the Bible
says that if so-called prophets and apostles teach other
gods than what God has already clearly revealed about
Himself, we are to consider them to be false (cf.
Deuteronomy 13:1-5; 2 Corinthians 11:3-4, 13-15; &
Galatians 1:6-9). What difference does it make if the
preceding sources are deemed by the Mormon Church to
be scriptural or not? If this is truly what they taught, then
it seems quite obvious that these individuals are not
teaching the God of the Bible, and thus should be
considered as non-Christian (i.e., they are not following
the true Christ).
Mormons also quibble that the Bible is full of errors
and has been through many a translation such that many
“plain and precious truths” have been left out of the
translation we have today. Thus, Mormons unquestionably
rest their faith in what their church tells them to believe, so
long as they receive affirmation from what is called a
“burning in their bosoms.” Christians, on the other hand,
find no reason to think that many truths have been taken
from Scripture.
Why is it that all the various manuscripts
of the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek Scriptures, from which
all the various versions come, are remarkably consistent
with each other? Where is all the evidence that these
manuscripts were cut up in such a way so as to delete the
“plain and precious truths” found today in the restored
Mormon Scriptures? Christians find no reason to doubt
the words of the Lord Jesus when He said, “Scripture
cannot be broken” (John 10:35), and “[h]eaven and earth
shall pass away but my words shall not pass away” (Mat.
24:35). It is the word of God, not our “burning in our
bosoms,” that is a light to our path (Psalms 119:105).
The Christian interpretation of the Bible teaches that
there was only one Being (not a team of Gods that formed
a Godhead) who did the creation work of any world in the
entire universe (not some proper subset of it) (Isaiah
43:10; 44:6, 8, 24; 45:12; & 46:9). Of course other “gods”
are mentioned in Scripture, but they are consistently
referred to as false gods or idols that are not gods by nature
(Ps. 96:5; 1 Cor. 8:1-6; & Gal. 4:8).
(Some Mormons have attempted to support their polytheism by likening
themselves to early Christian fathers and other Christian
theologians in their view of the deification of humans. But
the latter still believe in only one true God by nature, and
hold that humans can never attain the unique features of
God like omnipotence, eternality, omnipresence, etc.
Consequently, Christian deification does not teach that
humans can literally become gods. Instead, it teaches that
humans are “deified” in the sense that the Holy Spirit
transforms Christian believers into the image of God,
modeled perfectly in the human nature of Christ, by
endowing them in the resurrection with immortality and
God’s perfect moral character.)
The Bible also teaches that God is not limited to a body
that He needs to become a God. He is too great for a body
(1 Kings 8:27 & Jn. 4:21-24). He is God unchangeably
from everlasting to everlasting (Malachi 3:6 & Ps. 90:2).
This is why God has a completely different nature from
man. He is not a mere man, nor an exalted man, since He
is not a man at all (Hosea 11:9).
The Bible also teaches that Jesus created everything
that was ever created from the beginning of heaven and
earth (Jn. 1:1-3, 14 & Colossians 1:15-18). Hence,
wherever humans or Lucifer were made, they were all
made by Jesus. This is why Christians have no problem
praying to Jesus (cf. Stephen’s prayer in Acts 7:59).
Jesus told us not just to pray to the Father, but to Himself
as well (Jn. 14:14—Greek says, “If you ask me anything
in my name, I will do it”). Whether Jesus is physically
present or not is irrelevant, since He claimed to be with us
always anyway (Mat. 18:20 & 28:20). Though He
became fully man, He has always been fully God and
ought to be treated as such (Jn. 1:1 & 14; 5:18 & 23;
Romans 9:5; Philippians 2:5-10; Col. 2:9; Revelation 1:8,
17-18; & 22:6-20). Since Jesus is the only Son of God
with the nature of God (“only begotten” in Greek means
“one of a kind or genus”), He is God the Son (Jn. 1:18).
More specifically, He is the second person of God. The
Christian God is more than one person; He is actually three
persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) who are not unlike
radically connected Siamese twins (compare Isa. 44:24
with Genesis 1:26--the being of God created alone with the
plurality of persons that His being is comprised of). There
was never a time when one of the persons was without the
others. They are eternally distinct persons while eternally
inseparable in being as well as purpose.
Your eternal salvation depends on whether you really
know God or not. Jesus said, “[I]f ye believe not that I am
he, ye shall die in your sins” (Jn. 8:24). Please consider
praying to God (Father, Son, or Holy Spirit), asking Him
to cleanse you from all your sins, particularly of following
another god and another Jesus, and then repent from those
idols by leaving the Mormon Church.
Then please consider committing yourself to a genuinely “Christian”
denomination in order to grow in your new spiritual life.
1. All citations to Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith
use the pre-2002 edition.
R. M. Sivulka



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Non-mormon FReepers feel impelled to defend mormonism based on their "feelings" or friendship with mormons.

In posting this article, I'm providing the service of a brief outline of mormon beliefs so that these defenders of mormonism may see just what they are defending.

This is a bare bones summary with much left out of mormon practices such as baptism for the dead.

This is the Religion Forum. For rules regarding posting in the FT, click HERE

1 posted on 05/27/2012 9:35:40 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: greyfoxx39

Good article. Thanks.


2 posted on 05/27/2012 9:46:22 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: greyfoxx39

Great information, however grey there will still be people who claim to be Christians that will defend mormonism as ok.


3 posted on 05/27/2012 9:54:03 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: greyfoxx39

Yet some still want to call mormonism “christian?


4 posted on 05/27/2012 9:56:54 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: greyfoxx39

Gracer....

Whore of Babylon....


5 posted on 05/27/2012 9:58:35 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live athrough it anyway)
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Many LDS teachings from The Journal of Discourses reveal the chasm between MormonISM and Christianity, and one of the most astonishing is listed below:

"We may talk of men being redeemed by the efficacy of his [Christ's] blood; but the truth is that that blood has no efficacy to wash away our sins. That must depend upon our own action." [ LDS Apostle Amasa M. Lyman, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 299, 1859]

And following are a few of the Bible reasons why this is blasphemous teaching from MormonISM:

Corinthians 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,


6 posted on 05/27/2012 10:01:31 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Springfield Reformer

I’m Roman Catholic. Could there be anything more false than religions by their very name “protesting” against the one true apostolic Church of God? Was Martin Luther a delusional fanatic, as well as a virulent anti-semite? I don’t feel “impelled” to defend Mormonism or any other religion, except from the standpoint that we have religious freedom in America.

IOW I don’t give a rat’s rear about Mormonism. Some people see speaking in tongues, exorcisms, belief in demons, virgin births, etc., as lunacy. Are these not tenets of our traditional Christianities?

Is Mormonism bunk? Being that it’s not my religion, of course. Is what Obama believes bunk? Absolutely. Bill and Hilary Clinton?? Puleeze.

Thanks for the info. Mormons are decent well behaved God fearing people.


7 posted on 05/27/2012 10:01:31 AM PDT by Williams (Nobama)
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To: Williams

The issue at hand is not about the people but rather the ISM which is founded in heresies and blasphemies.


8 posted on 05/27/2012 10:04:53 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

And every religion but mine is false. That should be obvious. Why should I worry about fights between heretical cats and dogs?


9 posted on 05/27/2012 10:06:54 AM PDT by Williams (Nobama)
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To: Williams

Apparently, you can’t grasp what is so simple: this is about the ISM, not about cats and dogs.


10 posted on 05/27/2012 10:09:04 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Williams
And every religion but mine is false. That should be obvious. Why should I worry about fights between heretical cats and dogs?

I would suggest that given that comment, you refrain from clicking on threads that have "mormon" or "mormonism" in the title.

11 posted on 05/27/2012 10:13:25 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I guess this means we are morally obliged to vote for the Muslim.


12 posted on 05/27/2012 10:15:05 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Williams; MHGinTN
And every religion but mine is false.

I take it a step farther: Even people in my religion are heretics.

To be a true blessed believer, you must be ME.

13 posted on 05/27/2012 10:15:05 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: Williams
Mormons are decent well ordered behaved GgodS, fearing people.
14 posted on 05/27/2012 10:17:22 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: greyfoxx39
Do these teachings and beliefs make any practical difference in how ordinary Mormons live their lives? Aren't they all busy with day to day tasks of raising large families and work, Church activities, etc? I doubt the average Mormon housewife is going to even know these doctrines, let alone act on them. My guess (not having close contacts with any practicing Mormons) is that they will acknowledge general high-level precepts about Christ being their savior, but will not know the significance of the theological points of their doctrine in practical terms. In other words, from an outwardly standpoint, they will seem to adhere to the general Christian lifestyle principles of holiness and sanctification as preached by, for example, Paul in his epistles.

Correct? Just wondering...

15 posted on 05/27/2012 10:20:40 AM PDT by nwrep
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To: Williams

I’ve noticed over the past few months, that there is a lot of Mormon bashing on FR. I’m curious as to the motive.


16 posted on 05/27/2012 10:21:19 AM PDT by WHBates
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To: WHBates

This is the Religion Forum and a discussion about mormonISM not mormons.
If you do not wish to participate in a discussion of mormonISM maybe you should get on the thread.
Again the discussion is not about mormons it is about mormonISM.


17 posted on 05/27/2012 10:24:43 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Lazamataz

Ah, forgive me, so this is about THE cat, not just any dog.


18 posted on 05/27/2012 10:24:54 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I guess this means we are morally obliged to vote for the Muslim.

Vote for whomever you wish. I won't criticize you for your vote, and I refuse to accept criticism of MY vote, which will be for conservative Virgil Goode.

There are FReepers who feel compelled to defend mormonism...which is something that Romney refuses to do. He would prefer to avoid the subject entirely.

It appears that some of these defenders of mormonism like to avoid the doctrine and belief and then accuse those who refuse to vote for Romney of supporting Obama. That's a straw man argument, as the comment "I guess this means we are morally obliged to vote for the Muslim." seems to be.

Are there issues in the thread article that you wish to discuss?

19 posted on 05/27/2012 10:25:05 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: nwrep

The problem comes in them placing faith in a false Jesus. Christ is a member of a one and three entity. Essentially, the Mormon faith will not save the Mormon. If we care for them we will be ready to share the true gospel with them. To be prepared, we must know the differences ourselves.


20 posted on 05/27/2012 10:32:02 AM PDT by crghill (Silly Mormons, God is triune.)
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To: MHGinTN
Precisely.

Everything revolves around The Cat.

21 posted on 05/27/2012 10:33:23 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: WHBates

This is good. This is REAL good.

22 posted on 05/27/2012 10:36:34 AM PDT by Baynative (REMEMBER: Without America there is no free world!)
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To: Baynative

You nailed it!


23 posted on 05/27/2012 10:39:37 AM PDT by unique1
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To: greyfoxx39

Today is Pentecost Sunday for Christians...

I said “Christians”

I didnt say any home grown false religion that misuses the name...

and doesnt believe in the Trinity...

Before He went back to Heaven from where He had come and where He had ALWAYS been...

The LORD Jesus Christ told His disciples..

If I go away I will send ANOTHER Comforter...John 14:16

While in the Greek the word comforter is parakletos, meaning intersessor, helper, consoler, advocate, comforter...

The word the LORD Jesus Christ for another is uses “allos” which means another LIKE me..another just the same..

and yet to Mormons their Mormon holy ghost is not God but is only equal to a mascot, a lap dog..with no power..

While all the time He is God..

The Third Person of the Trinity..

Mormons dont believe that Jesus is God...

Mormons dont believe that the Holy Spirit is God...,

and they believe that their Mormon god is in several parts...gods...

but The LORD Jesus Christ clearly told us that that is not true...

The LORD Jesus Christ...the Second Person of the Trinity the Word of God could not be here on Earth at the same time as the Third Person of the Trinity...

although Mormon try to say that it has happened to their own gods.....


24 posted on 05/27/2012 10:41:54 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: nwrep
Do these teachings and beliefs make any practical difference in how ordinary Mormons live their lives?

When I was mormon, the beliefs had a great deal to do with how I lived my life...what I ate, drank, the underwear I wore, the constant attempt to adhere to all the rules and regulations regarding my "worthiness" to work my way to mormon salvation.

We mormons were constantly reminded of the superiority of our "one true church" and the idea that only those of us who were "temple-worthy" could ever hope to dream of attaining the highest "kingdom" of mormon heaven where God resides.

In order to have a "temple recommend" that is required for one to take part in the rituals required for salvation, these questions by one's bishop must be answered satisfactorily:

Temple Recommend questions.


1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?


For an explanation of temple rituals that in mormon doctrine bind God to man's covenants,

Click HERE

Yes, the "average mormon housewife" may not fully understand the doctrine, or be aware of Joseph Smith's many wives or other history but she will indeed be following the rules and regulations if she hopes to have her family with her in "eternity".

25 posted on 05/27/2012 10:47:06 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: Williams

Mormons are decent well behaved God fearing people.
___________________________________________

Behaving well ???

Yes it can be an aquired practiced trait...

Decent ??? polygamy ???

“God fearing people ...”

Hardly..

They honor, sustain” and belie in Joey Smith as their “prophet”..l the one who will let them into their Mormon after life..

the same Joey Smith who spat in the face of God of the Bible and mocked Him by starting his own anti-Judeo-Christian religion and including the breaking of each of the Ten Commandments as tenets and doctrines and necessary for “atonement...”

Especially adultery in the form of polygamy as required in Mormonism in order to not be damned and required for godship as their “heavenly father” and his literally begat son the mormon jesus did to go from mankind in which they started and to evolve and progress to gods...

What was that you said about fear of God ???


26 posted on 05/27/2012 10:56:52 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: crghill
The problem comes in them placing faith in a false Jesus. Christ is a member of a one and three entity. Essentially, the Mormon faith will not save the Mormon. If we care for them we will be ready to share the true gospel with them. To be prepared, we must know the differences ourselves.

Excellent post.

27 posted on 05/27/2012 10:56:52 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: Lazamataz

Oui, merci.


28 posted on 05/27/2012 11:03:27 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: greyfoxx39

So is this an open thread or what? Thanks.


29 posted on 05/27/2012 11:04:01 AM PDT by Eastbound (3-7-77)
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To: Williams

You’re welcome to believe however you like. If voting for a so-called “protestant” would violate your conscience, would you do it anyway to get a desired political outcome? If so, wouldn’t that be like telling God you don’t really trust him? That’s what it would be to me, and that’s why Mitt won’t get my vote. The ends do not justify the means.

BTW, “protest-ant” was not a term those Christians took on of their own accord. It was a term of derision applied to them by their opponents in the Catholic church to discredit them through ridicule. Alinsky-before-Alinsky. Kill the messenger. Pay no attention to the message. Luther never wanted to leave the RC Church. He just wanted it to get back to its Augustinian roots. I have a lot of respect for the contributions of RC thinkers and believers. I’m a natural law guy to the core. I’d be RC today if it weren’t for a host of post-patristic doctrinal accretions that have no basis in Scripture.

But at least we both see the same God. Mormonism isn’t even referenced to the God of Abraham. More kinship to the Babylonian pantheon (multiplicity of gods).

See, as people always say here at FR, words have meaning. There is a very respectable argument that you and I are both Christians. Mormonism cannot make a rational argument to that effect. And that’s fine. The Constitution allows them to run for office, as much as any Christian or Buddhist or Pagan.

That does not mean I have to ignore the fact that they have no proper doctrinal or historical claim to the term “Christian.” Nor must I shut off the “faith” part of my brain when I enter the voting booth. I am a free American and I am empowered by both natural law and the First Amendment to use whatever criteria I see fit in choosing who to vote or not vote for. So are you.


30 posted on 05/27/2012 11:04:20 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Williams

Well said. I get so tired of these Mormon bashers wasting bandwidth on this junk!

Let’s spend our time getting rid of Obama!!!!


31 posted on 05/27/2012 11:04:57 AM PDT by Laserman
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To: greyfoxx39
The choice is between Romney and Obama.

I take it that you would prefer that Obama win?

32 posted on 05/27/2012 11:08:53 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Laserman
This thread is posted in the Religion Forum. The subject of the thread is religious. I suggest you refrain from clicking on threads with "mormon" or "mormonism" in the title if religious subjects "tire" you.

From the Religion Moderator:

This thread is posted in the Religion Forum. The main guideline here is to "discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal." Attributing motives to other Freepers and reading their minds are forms of "making it personal."

If you do not wish to see RF posts, do NOT use the "everything" option on the browse. Instead, browse by "News/Activism." When you log back in, the browse will reset to "everything" - so be sure to set it back to "News/Activism."

Link post #45

33 posted on 05/27/2012 11:14:09 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: svcw
Your making a distinction where there is no difference. Read the post again, that is not what is going on but the writer attempts to obscure the intent. I'll comment where I like BTW, thank you.
36 posted on 05/27/2012 11:22:31 AM PDT by WHBates
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To: greyfoxx39

Thank you, greyfoxx. Recognizing facts is not bigotry.


37 posted on 05/27/2012 11:32:29 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: greyfoxx39
 Christians find no reason to doubt the words of the Lord Jesus when He said, “Scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35), and “[h]eaven and earth shall pass away but my words shall not pass away” (Mat. 24:35).
 
 
We MORMONs agree this is truly in the BIBLE; but what is PROBABLY missing is the phrase: "after the restoration of Joseph".
 
 
Making the reading thus:
 
After the restoration of Joseph, scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35)
 
--MormonDude(Not a scholar; but I truly believe what our MORMON scholars tell us.)

38 posted on 05/27/2012 11:33:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Williams
I don’t feel “impelled” to defend Mormonism or any other religion, except from the standpoint that we have religious freedom in America.

Gee, that's too bad. No 'faith contending' for you; a Catholic; eh?


  "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent"
 
 (The Seer, p. 255  Orson Pratt )

39 posted on 05/27/2012 11:36:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Williams
IOW I don’t give a rat’s rear about Mormonism.

Can I then assume you do not care if false things are said about your chosen religion?

40 posted on 05/27/2012 11:37:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Williams
Mormons are decent well behaved God fearing people.

That should be: Mormons are decent well behaved God(s) fearing people.


http://saintsalive.com/resourcelibrary/mormonism/the-great-pre-earth-council-of-mormon-gods

41 posted on 05/27/2012 11:40:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Williams
I’m Roman Catholic.

And LOTYs of folks just like you have been lured away from RCC into the yawning maw of MORMONism.

42 posted on 05/27/2012 11:42:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
See Post #33

From the Religion Moderator:

This thread is posted in the Religion Forum. The main guideline here is to "discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal." Attributing motives to other Freepers and reading their minds are forms of "making it personal."

43 posted on 05/27/2012 11:46:08 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Ok genius. Now tell us how “liberation theology” qualifies as Christian.


44 posted on 05/27/2012 11:47:59 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Lazamataz

Henri is hilarious, and not unlike our own cat. But as Joe Smith was into the Egyptians and the Egyptians were into cats, you may actually be on to something there.

Except he did have a slightly ironic problem translating a certain Egyptian hieroglyph, given Mormon theology’s apparent preoccupation with supernatural procreativity:

http:.//vintage.aomin.org/Mintract.html


45 posted on 05/27/2012 11:48:16 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Williams
I’m Roman Catholic. Could there be anything more false than religions by their very name “protesting” against the one true apostolic Church of God? Was Martin Luther a delusional fanatic, as well as a virulent anti-semite?

Oh gag.......

46 posted on 05/27/2012 11:51:03 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: greyfoxx39

An RCC caucus thread should be the standard.


47 posted on 05/27/2012 11:55:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: nwrep
I doubt the average Mormon housewife is going to even know these doctrines, let alone act on them.

Broad is the way...

Later...

"But Pete!!

I THOUGHT I was on the right road!

My leaders TOLD me I was!!

THIS IS UNFAIR!!!"

48 posted on 05/27/2012 11:58:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: WHBates
I’ve noticed over the past few months, that there is a lot of Mormon bashing on FR. I’m curious as to the motive.

Some Christians FINALLY got tired of all of the LIES that MORMONism spouts and they decided to follow what the BIBLE has clearly taught for centuries:


 
Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
 
 
Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
 
 
1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
 
 
1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.
 
 
Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
 
 
1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.
 
 
1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
 
 
2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
 
 
 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
 
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
 
 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
 
 
Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
 
 
Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
 
 
Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
 
 
 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.
 
 
 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 
 
2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.



49 posted on 05/27/2012 12:01:06 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: WHBates
I’ve noticed over the past few months, that there is a lot of Mormon bashing on FR. I’m curious as to the motive.

Any place that a MORMON has the nerve to start spouting any of their HERESY will turn in to a BASH.

Bold
ANTIs
Spotlighting
Heresy

50 posted on 05/27/2012 12:01:45 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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