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Maureen Dowd: Fight really about controlling women, not birth
The Contra Costa Times / The New York Times ^ | May 28, 2012 | Maureen Dowd

Posted on 05/28/2012 5:02:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Your parents spill a few secrets as they get older.

One night at dinner with my mom, I ventured that the rhythm method had worked well for her, given that there were six years between my sister Peggy and my brother Kevin, and six more between Kevin and me. She arched an eyebrow.

"Well, sometimes your father used something," she said.

My parents were the most devout Catholics I've ever known. But my dad came from a family of 16 in County Clare in Ireland, and my mom's mother came from a family of 13 in County Mayo. So they balanced their faith with a dose of practicality.

After their first three kids, they sagely decided family planning was not soul-staining. So I wasn't surprised to see the Gallup poll last week showing that 82 percent of U.S. Catholics say birth control is morally acceptable. (Eighty-nine percent of all Americans and 90 percent of non-Catholics agreed.) Gallup tested the morality of 18 issues, and birth control came out on top as the most acceptable, beating divorce, which garnered 67 percent approval, and "buying and wearing clothing made of animal fur," which got a 60 percent thumbs-up (more from Republicans, naturally, than Democrats).

Polygamy, cloning humans and having an affair took the most morally offensive spots on the list. "Gay or lesbian relations" tied "having a baby outside of marriage," with 54 percent approving. That's in the middle of the list, above a 38 percent score for abortion and below a 59 percent score for "sex between an unmarried man and woman."

The poll appeared on the same day as headlines about Catholic Church leaders fighting President Barack Obama's attempt to get insurance coverage for contraception for women who work or go to college at Catholic institutions....

(Excerpt) Read more at contracostatimes.com ...


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She never changes.
1 posted on 05/28/2012 5:02:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Now I could understand why Michael Douglas dump her LOL!

Kirk Douglas count his stars having living to last years on this planet not having her as daughter in law


2 posted on 05/28/2012 5:06:31 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Now I could understand why Michael Douglas dump her LOL!

Kirk Douglas count his stars having living to last years on this planet not having her as daughter in law


3 posted on 05/28/2012 5:06:58 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
One night at dinner with my mom, I ventured that the rhythm method had worked well for her...

"Well, sometimes your father used something," she said.

What classy dinner conversation. These people are sick.

4 posted on 05/28/2012 5:10:16 PM PDT by icwhatudo (This is not a choice between Romney&Reagan-Its between Romney & most radical leftist Pres in history)
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To: icwhatudo

That is an odd conversation to have at dinner.

I wonder if her dad bought his own protection...or did the church provide it in anyway?


5 posted on 05/28/2012 5:13:16 PM PDT by berdie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Contraception is not for you, Maureen? Perhaps you need to do a little studying and save your soul.

Contraceptives and the Environment - What the Pill Is Doing to Our Water Supply
Melinda Gates: I’m Catholic and contraception is not controversial
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Essays for Lent: Contraception

The Differences the Pill has Made
Pastors Preach Against Contraception From Pulpit
Catholics and Contraception: Boston, 1965
Abortion, Contraception and the Church Fathers (Catholic teaching unchanged for 2000 yrs)
Contraception and Catholicism (What the Roman Catholic Church really teaches)
6 Reasons Why Contraception is Sinful and Contrary to God's Will
Time To Admit It: The Church Has Always Been Right On Birth Control
Paul VI: “danger of this power passing into the hands of those public authorities ...”
The Truth about The Church's Teaching about Contraception.
Letter from Archbishop John G. Vlazny on the matter of freedom of conscience and decisions by HHS

Bishop Olmsted's Letter to Catholics [Catholic Caucus]
Liberty for the Amish & Quakers but not Catholics. . .
Contraception mandate prompts Peoria bishop to instate St. Michael Prayer (Catholic Caucus)
Phoenix bishop (Olmstead): defy feds on birth control
A letter from Archbishop Dennis M. Schnurr concerning HHS edict
Speak honestly: abortion is ‘the killing of tiny human beings in the womb’ – Denver bishop
Bishop [Daniel Jenky] Blasts Secularist Intolerance, Calls For ‘Assertive Action’ to Defend Church
(Pittsburgh Bishop Zubik comments:) HHS delays rule on contraceptive coverage
Dolan: Natural law, not religious preference, dictates all life sacred
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Mandated Contraception, Sterilization: Caesar Demands Church Violate Conscience
OBAMA’S CONTEMPT FOR RELIGIOUS LIBERTY (mandates coverage of sterilization & contraception)
Obama Admin Decides to Require Religious Institutions to Cover Free Contraception
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Catholic college sues HHS over contraception mandate
Children of the Reformation: A Short & Surprising History of Protestantism & Contraception
Implications of Obama Admin move to force Cath hospitals to provide contraception and sterilizations
Catholic doctors’ group launches petition against contraception mandate
Contraception mandate tramples religious freedom, US bishops say

Planned Parenthood Cuts Contraception, Not Abortion After De-Funding
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The Cost of Contraception: Women's Health - Response to CNN

The Connection between Contraception and Abortion
Baby Bust: The Demographics of Global Depression
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The Protest of a Protestant Minister Against Birth Control
Contraception: Why Not?
The Bible & Birth Control
Our Gravest Moral Responsibility: Convert the Contraception Mentality
Contraception and Conversion
Evangelical Leaders are Ok with Contraception

The pill and 50 years of misery [the pill kills!]
The dawn of demonic deception [the birth control pill]
Researcher finds strong link between contraception and HIV
The Birth-Control Riddle
Social Science Proves Humanae Vitae
"Contraception Is Wrong. Now Here's How You Use It . . ."
Suit claims birth control warning not enough
Natural and Unnatural (father of 5 shocks mother of 1)
Planned Parenthood Uses Teens to Distribute Injectable Birth Control in Rural Ecuador
Study: Low-Dose Birth Control Pills Decrease Bone Density in Young Women
Spanish drug agency confirms grave effects of morning-after pill

Another Woman Dies of Hormonal Contraceptive in Switzerland
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The Re-Birth of Population Control: Human Life Seen as a Carbon roblem
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God before contraception (Australia)
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Polluted Water, Polluted Culture (one more consequence from contraception)
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NFP and Contraception: What’s the Difference?
Wisconsin requiring Catholic institutions to provide contraceptives coverage
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Why does Pope Benedict talk about Humanae vitae in the new encyclical? [Catholic Caucus]
New Evangelical Documentary Exposes Abortifacient Qualities of the Birth Control Pill, Promotes NFP
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How Birth Control Changed America for the Worst
If You Are Contracepting, You Are Part of A Very Big Problem

Vatican and Italian government criticize sale of RU 486 in Italy
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Responsible Parenthood in a Birth Control Culture, Part One [Open]
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Sex Speaks: True and False Prophets — Part 4 of 6 [Open]
Contraception and the Language of the Body — Part 3 of 6 [Open]
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Contraception and Cultural Chaos — Part 1 of 6 [Open]
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VIDEO - SEAN HANNITY vs REV. THOMAS EUTENEUER (must see!)
The Early Church Fathers on Contraception - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
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Being fruitful [Evangelicals and contraception]

6 posted on 05/28/2012 5:18:09 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: berdie

**or did the church provide it in anyway?**

That’s a first for that statement. The Catholic Church has always stood staunchly against contraception. Read some of the links above, please.


7 posted on 05/28/2012 5:19:42 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So they balanced their faith with a dose of practicality.

If avoidance of contraception is supposed to be part of your faith, then what we have here isn't "faith" at all -- and I'm not sure it's "practicality" either. I'd call it "hedging your bets" and I don't find it admirable.

8 posted on 05/28/2012 5:20:25 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Like Emmett Till, Trayvon Martin has become simply a stick with which to beat Whites.)
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To: Salvation

Turn on your sarcasm detector, dude.


9 posted on 05/28/2012 5:21:51 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Rules
10 posted on 05/28/2012 5:22:18 PM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: Salvation

Sorry, I forgot the sarcasm tag. I guess I assumed that it would be obvious.


11 posted on 05/28/2012 5:24:23 PM PDT by berdie
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To: icwhatudo

When I think about the people closest to me in life, I must say that I have never discussed their birth control methods with them.

I have no idea what family and close friends do about birth control. I would never think to mention, or ask, or bring up the subject of someone’s personal birth control decisions.


12 posted on 05/28/2012 5:24:57 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: icwhatudo

I know. And what’s with ratting out your parents to the world?


13 posted on 05/28/2012 5:24:57 PM PDT by utahagen
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‘My parents were the most devout Catholics I've ever known.’

That might be part of your problem, Maureen. They don't seem that devout to me at all. BTW, it is not ‘the rhythm method’ It is more like Natural Family Planning and it is more effective than the pill when adhered to.

Of course, they are so ‘practical’ with their three perfect children, how quaint. They should have stopped with two and spared us all your idiocy.

14 posted on 05/28/2012 5:25:30 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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Maureen Dowd: Fight really about controlling women, not birth

This logic only holds if one believes women are defined solely by their ability to give birth. I had no idea Maureen Dowd felt that way - interesting.
15 posted on 05/28/2012 5:29:45 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: mkmensinger

16 posted on 05/28/2012 5:31:25 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
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17 posted on 05/28/2012 5:35:43 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Lurker

Dudette, Einstein.


18 posted on 05/28/2012 5:36:11 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I'm not Catholic and don't personally have any moral objection to contraception. At one time in my life, I could have worked for a Catholic institution. I knew that I would have insurance and that it would not cover contraception. I never went to work for that institution, for reasons having nothing to do with contraception.

If I had ever gone to work for that institution, I would have paid for my own contraception. A Catholic institution doesn't pay for that. Some employers don't provide free parking. Some give you the day off for your birthday, some don't. There are tradeoffs in any job situation.

As it was, there were certain things my employer-provided insurance didn't cover when it came to my children's health care. If I considered those things worthwhile and necessary, I paid them myself.

I thought that was what responsible adults did.

I do have a moral objection to the government forcing a Catholic institution to provide contraception when it is against Catholic doctrine, even if it's not against mine. I'd feel the same objection to the government forcing a Jewish institution to serve ham, bacon, and sausage in their cafeteria, or forcing a Baptist institution to serve alcohol.

I also have a really hard time with people who have spent a lifetime screeching about keeping Government out of their bedrooms, or off their bodies, now think it's OK for the Government to intrude in the church.

19 posted on 05/28/2012 5:37:05 PM PDT by susannah59
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What caliber of gun does the RCC use to keep people in the Church?

If they disagree with the Church’s base value system — GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

This isn’t about control of any kind. It the left’s abhorrence to a set of true moral values. The only values the left allows are those that let THEM control others, not any based on a moral code.


20 posted on 05/28/2012 5:39:37 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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