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Muslims demand Hagia Sophia be converted into a mosque on anniversary of the fall of Constantinope
Catholic Church Conservation ^ | 29 May 2012 | Cathcon

Posted on 05/29/2012 3:56:58 PM PDT by Gillibrand

Includes video of the 2012 annual celebrations of the fall of Constantinople which take place in Turkey

(Excerpt) Read more at cathcon.blogspot.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Islam; Orthodox Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: anniversary; christians; godsgravesglyphs; islam; mosque; muslimworld; turkey
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1 posted on 05/29/2012 3:57:04 PM PDT by Gillibrand
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To: Gillibrand
Muslims demand Hagia Sophia be converted into a mosque

M Kehoe demands Catholic churches be built in Saudi Arabia.

Actually, M Kehoe demands we nuke Mecca, Medina and Qom. Low yields of course.

5.56mm

2 posted on 05/29/2012 4:07:57 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe

You are such a hater.....or since you want to use low yield weapons does that make a you a moderate?


3 posted on 05/29/2012 4:09:57 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (It is going to be Foot to Ass combat on election day....my foot and a Rat's ass.)
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To: M Kehoe

moozlums demand...moozlums demand...

Doesn’t it get a bit tiresome? Where is Martel when he is needed??


4 posted on 05/29/2012 4:10:29 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: M Kehoe

I’m willing to live side by side with muslims if they will just STFU and physically go far, far away and stay there in their smelly goatsh*t pile of mecca.


5 posted on 05/29/2012 4:11:39 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (When we cease to be good we'll cease to be great. Be for Goode.)
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To: Gillibrand

Hagia Sophia NOT being converted into a mosque is one of the classiest acts in history by a moslem nation. It would be a real travesty if they breached that.


6 posted on 05/29/2012 4:14:09 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Gillibrand

WHAT! I DO NOT THINK SO! (Yes, I’m yelling)


7 posted on 05/29/2012 4:14:54 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa)
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To: Gillibrand
free constantinople Pictures, Images and Photos
8 posted on 05/29/2012 4:16:05 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: hal ogen

Hes’ up there wondering WTF is wrong with US!


9 posted on 05/29/2012 4:21:18 PM PDT by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: Gillibrand

Time for another crusade....


10 posted on 05/29/2012 4:29:47 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: Sirius Lee

You may be willing to co-exist with muslims, but the reverse will never happen.


11 posted on 05/29/2012 4:29:56 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
It is ok if you call me a hater. Please don't call me a moderate, or call me late for dinner.

That will upset me...

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12 posted on 05/29/2012 4:34:35 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: 353FMG
You may be willing to co-exist with muslims, but the reverse will never happen.

You are correct, and therein lies the problem with the moon cult.

13 posted on 05/29/2012 4:34:58 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (When we cease to be good we'll cease to be great. Be for Goode.)
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To: Gillibrand
It already basically IS a mosque, with big disks hung up from the walls showing quotations in Arabic from the Quran alongside Christian imagery left from the Byzantine days, and minarets put up around the outside that tower over the dome, one of the greatest feats of human engineering anywhere. Plus the fall of Constantinople occurred in 1453, making this the 559th anniversary. Sorry, but what the hell is the significance of this year?

These people and their perverted religion are a cancer on the human race and a cancer that is malignant must be removed. As long as we are discussing anniversaries, 1,390 years of malignancy is quite enough.

14 posted on 05/29/2012 4:36:15 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

They sprinkled their filthy symbols all over it and forbade Christians from worshiping in it.

Not what I call classy.


15 posted on 05/29/2012 4:38:23 PM PDT by DManA
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To: katana

It already basically IS a mosque, ...
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I’ve been there and it sure looked like a mosque. I guess that technically speaking it’s not but they sure fooled me.


16 posted on 05/29/2012 4:43:11 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: Gillibrand

I thought it already WAS a mosque.


17 posted on 05/29/2012 4:47:00 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: katana

Just so. As is their habit, the Muslim conquerors converted the cathedral into a mosque, and used it as a mosque for centuries. They really get a kick out of turning churches, Buddhist, or Hindu temples into mosques or building on top of their ruins.

Then, when Turkey was transformed by Kemal Attaturk into a lay government, the Mosque was converted into a museum. But it is still a mosque.

Now that the Generals have stupidly lost Turkey back to the Muslim extremists, it can be expected that the Museum will be turned back into an active mosque.


18 posted on 05/29/2012 4:47:53 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: katana

I was puzzled by the year, too. Muzzies have their own calendar, so maybe it means something to them.

And you’re right, while it is now a museum, the Muslims made it into a mosque.

If you’re anywhere near NY, go to the Byzantium and Islam exhibit at the Met...it was much less favorable to Islam than I expected. It showed Christian and Jewish art before the Islamic takeover.


19 posted on 05/29/2012 4:49:16 PM PDT by livius
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To: Gillibrand
Let's, instead, restore it to it's original - with one of the most beautiul of the Pantocrator's

they did not build it. Justinian oversaw it's completion in 537-8. Le'ts instead, take down the miniarets and restore it to it's original...especially the icons and mosaics of Jesus that they painted over - see links (will post live links next post

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http://istanbulvisions.com/hagia_sophia.htm

http://muragdoctor.com/2009/06/01/christo-pantocrator/

Let them build their own, for a change

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http://muragdoctor.com/2009/06/01/christo-pantocrator/

20 posted on 05/29/2012 4:50:57 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: Gillibrand

http://muragdoctor.com/2009/06/01/christo-pantocrator/

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=slv8-msgr&va=justinian+pantocrator+hagia+sophia


21 posted on 05/29/2012 4:56:11 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: Gillibrand

FREE CONSTANTINOPLE!


22 posted on 05/29/2012 5:06:34 PM PDT by karnage
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To: Snickering Hound

Is that a bumper sticker?! Awesome!


23 posted on 05/29/2012 5:07:14 PM PDT by karnage
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To: Gillibrand

Where’s Samson when we need him?


24 posted on 05/29/2012 5:17:51 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: M Kehoe

Sarajohnson seconds M Kehoe’s demand. :)


25 posted on 05/29/2012 5:18:44 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

It was converted to a mosque, and the iconography was plastered over. Ataturk who wasn’t a Muslim AFAIK converted it into a museum. I guess you could give them credit for not outright destroying it. Although that would have been stupid whether or not they hated Christians.


26 posted on 05/29/2012 5:18:44 PM PDT by jarwulf
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To: Gillibrand

Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it’s Istanbul not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Now it’s Turkish Delight on a moonlit night…


27 posted on 05/29/2012 5:22:20 PM PDT by RichInOC ("In the name of Allah, The Inexorable, The Irresistible...")
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To: RichInOC

So, why did Constantinople get the works?


28 posted on 05/29/2012 5:24:06 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Gillibrand
Hagia Sophia

An Architectural Masterpiece; Hagia Sophia

Hagia SophiaThe most important Byzantine architecture found in Istanbul consists of churches. The most magnificent of all of the Byzantine churches is the Hagia Sophia. This church was designed by the architects Anthemios of Tralles and Izidorus of Miletus. This construction of the second Hagia Sophia was started in 532 by the order of the Emperor Justinian and was built over the ruins of an earlier structure. Materials were brought from Ephesus, Athens, Rome, and Delphi and were used in the construction of this magnificent building. The church was opened for worship five years later, in 537. The Hagia Sophia has a diameter of 31-33 meters and a height of 54 meters and is covered with a large dome. The church was considerably damaged by the earthquake of 557 and the nephew of the Architect Izidorus supervised the repair of the structure.

Hagia Sophia 1880 - 1900 Aya Sofya

 

A symbol of Christian and Islamic heritages, Saint Sophia towers above the Golden Horn (photo) and the Bosporus strait connecting Europe and AsiaBecause Byzantium was strongly under the intluence of Rome at the time of the construction of the Hagia Sophia, this structure is an amalgam of the magnificence of Roman architecture with the standard church architecture of the Byzantines. The original mosaics of the church were severely damaged by the Iconoclasts, but new mosaics replaced the former in the 9th century after the period of Iconoclasm had disappeared.

Besides the religious subjects of the mosaics used to decorate the interior surfaces, the emperor was also used as a subject. One mosaic depicts the Virgin Mary with the emperors Justinian and Constantine sitting at her sides. Another mosaic shows Jesus sitting on a throne with the Emperor Leon 7 kneeling before him. Another mosaic is of Mary and John the Baptist imploring Jesus for mercy in the name of the people. All these mosaics bear traces of Hellenistic influences. There are also several mosaic "portraits" of other members of the imperial family. Portrait art was very advanced during the Byzantine period. After Fatih captured the city this structure was used for worship by the Moslems. In 1934 Ataturk ordered that the structure be used as a museum.

 

More Reading

Deciphering the “Eighth Wonder of the World”

Just like the entire Hagia Sophia, the south wall is also based on the proportions of a double circle and a double squareAlmost one and a half thousand years after its construction in the center of ancient Constantinople, Saint Sophia* has divulged the secret of its design principle. Volker Hoffmann, professor at the Institute for Art History at the University of Bern, deciphered this using state-of-the-art HDS laser technology from Leica Geosystems. Some of the first laser evaluations went on show for the first time in mid July 2004 in Istanbul at the Congress of the International Society for Photogrammetry and Remote Sensing (ISPRS) and attracted numerous visitors. In mid-October, the Leica HDS3000 was used to record the floors of this building. The handheld laser meter Leica DISTO™ also played an important role at an early stage of the research project.

Every point of Saint Sophia's main dome is recorded in 3D in this HDS laser scan file. Using the Cyclone software from Leica Geosystems, it is possible to view and measure the building from various perspectives on the PC Floating with apparent weightlessness over the main room is the vast dome of the Cathedral of Saint Sophia. Commissioned by Emperor Justitian during the late antiquity period, this UNESCO World Cultural Heritage site is regarded as the eighth wonder of the world. According to the plans drafted by the mathematician Anthemios von Tralles and the architect and structural engineer Isidoros von Milet, the “Aya Sofya”, which is now open to the public as a museum, was built in six years during 532 and 537 AD. However, the original plans of this building have been lost without a trace. For hundreds of years, experts have tried to fathom just how the scientists and artists working in the 6th century managed to construct a freely suspended dome measuring almost 56 meters high and 31 meters wide, supported only by four pillars. Considering the technical equipment available at the time of its construction, many experts still regard this building even to this day as one of the boldest feats of construction ever to have been achieved by the human hand.

The “impossible task” of determining the dimensions

The pillar heights of the south wall also follow the uniform design principle to the precise centimeter of the "master plan" deciphered by Volker Hoffmann “The key experience on entering the main room through the emperor's gate, which immediately presents itself in full view exposing its full width and height up to the vertex of the huge dome, is the impossible task of finding a clear relationship to the proportions and an accurate calculation of the dimensions“ writes the Marco Polo travel guide. This phenomenon, which was intended by its architects, is produced by the spatial structure, the apparent weightlessness of the dome, and the bewildering abundance of direct and indirect lighting effects. Thanks to the work of the Bernese art historians, insights into these dimensions and their consistent application by the architects and builders of the day are now available.

Constructional wonder of the world from one to one point zero six

In the evening, after having closed Saint Sophia for visitors, Professor Volker Hoffmann and Nicholas Theocharis are able to complete their work on the floor Volker Hoffmann working together with his employee Nikolaos Theocharis in a research project sponsored by the Swiss National Fund found that the entire design of Saint Sophia is based on an analemma. This is a projection technique that was described by Ptolemaeus. This technique made it possible to interconnect the earth and the canopy of heaven in accordance with the view of the world at the time: the sphere representing the sky, god and the church, and the cube representing the earth with its four directions, above and below, and the Emperors real. For Saint Sophia, according to Volker Hoffmann's findings, Anthemios and Isidoros devised an overlapping double-square analemma as a uniform design shape for the ground plan and the elevation of the cathedral, penetrating each other three-dimensionally in the form of a cube and sphere. After performing 3-D laser measurements with the aid of a HDS™ Leica 3000 laser scanner at Saint Sophia, the two scientists from the University of Bern used the technique known as reverse engineering to decipher a “master plan” generated some 1470 years ago. It is based on a ratio of 1 to 1.06 of the small square to the large square. On the basis of the investigations they have performed to date, the researchers have arrived at the conclusion that “there are no layout-related points or lines in Saint Sophia that cannot be deduced from this master plan using geometric logic.” The Leica Disto also played an important role. In Volker Hoffmann's words: “Thanks to this compact and highly practical laser measuring instrument, we were able for the first time to determine the precise distances of the four supporting pillars at the simple press of a button. This was highly important at the start of our work for the calculation of the dimensions of the double circle/double square.”

Ingenious design principle reconstructed

Each year, over one million visitors admire Saint Sophia, the ancient eighth wonder of the world This design and building principle described by Volker Hoffmann as the “master plan” of Saint Sophia is truly ingenious. “Putting it simply, the master plan was marked out with pegs and strings on the building site, meaning that the builder then only had to measure in the double square, which in turn allowed him to transfer across very precisely all the other points (pegs) and lines (strings and/or lines of bearing) of the Saint Sophia architectural elements”, says the professor for architectural history and preservation of historical monuments from the University of Bern. In the second half of April 2005, following the completion of the laser evaluations and after consulting the museums director Mustafa Akkaya, results of this research work are to be presented in the form of an exhibition for the 14 million inhabitants of Istanbul and for the scores of visitors that flock to Saint Sophia. The two thousand-odd photogrammetry and remote sensing experts who travelled to the ISPRS Congress in July 2004 have already gained an insight into this in Istanbul at the Leica Geosystems exhibition stand. The final results are to be presented also in exhibitions in Berlin and Bern. Exhibition sites in the US and in France are also foreseen. 

Until now, no one had uncovered the secret of the design principle used in this building, which is devoted to Holy Wisdom, Saint Sophia –at least not until Volker Hoffmann, together with his employee Nikolaos Theocharis, finally succeeded in deciphering it using state-of-the-art 3-D laser measurement techniques some 1470 years later. With is long history as the principal imperial church of early-Christian Greek Orthodoxy, as a mosque, and now as a museum, Saint Sophia represents the history of the Occident and the Orient as no other building can.

Comments by: W P Mallow
Your site uses "Saint Sophia" The name is "Hagia Sophia" which is Greek for "Holy Wisdom". Justinian would NOT have named "his church" after a woman. 

 

29 posted on 05/29/2012 5:24:44 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: hal ogen

Martel? Hulagu Khan could have burnt Mecca to the ground if he had just kept going.


30 posted on 05/29/2012 5:30:02 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: Gillibrand

Let them convert it to a mosque as long as they don’t remove the frescoes so that, when they pray, they will know without doubt whom they worship.


31 posted on 05/29/2012 5:34:48 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Gillibrand

And I demand that the Grand Mosque be converted to a Kosher farmer’s market.


33 posted on 05/29/2012 5:42:09 PM PDT by jimfree (In Nov 2012 my 11 y/o granddaughter will have more relevant executive experience than Barack Obama)
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To: reg45

A new hero.


34 posted on 05/29/2012 6:02:29 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Billthedrill

That’s nobody’s business but the Turks’.


35 posted on 05/29/2012 6:16:42 PM PDT by RichInOC ("In the name of Allah, The Inexorable, The Irresistible...")
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To: M Kehoe

Low yield nukes on Mecca & Medina because they lie in bowls like Hiroshima.

Neutron weapon on Gaza. Kills jihadis but leaves Israel intact.

High yield on Aswan High Dam. Nothing else works on the world’s biggest pile of quarried rubble. World’s biggest toilet flush when it’s breached. Goodbye Cairo, goodbye Muslim Brotherhood. Hello peace.

Deus vult!


36 posted on 05/29/2012 6:57:03 PM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: Gillibrand

over the centuries, mooseslimes have taken over countless Christian churches and made them into mosques.

Can you imagine if even one mosque were taken over -


37 posted on 05/29/2012 6:57:17 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: Gillibrand

If I am correct Hagia Sophia was a mosque before being made a museum. Certianly the mosaics that made it a church were removed during the crusades.


38 posted on 05/29/2012 7:02:08 PM PDT by sixthcolumn
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To: 353FMG

You can co-exist with Moslems when you show them who is in charge! They respect power and force only!
Hagia Sophia should be an Orthodox Cathedral. Maybe the Orthodox nations should gang up and insist upon it, like Russia. Mr. Putin, use your power to get the Turks to hand back this monument so people can worship there—as was intended by Emperor Justinian.


39 posted on 05/29/2012 8:08:54 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: maine-iac7
“over the centuries, mooseslimes have taken over countless Christian churches and made them into mosques.”

The same thing happened with Hindu Temples in India.

The greatest example of Muslims taking over a holy site and showing Islam's supposed supremacy over all other religions is the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

The Mosque of Omar was built first to the side, and then the Dome of the Rock was built over what Islam claims is the site that Mohammad's winged stallion launched him upward into heaven (talk about Arabian folktales).

Some believe the Dome of the Rock was originally an Orthodox church (octagonal in shape)that was converted. The architecture of this building is not Muslim. They then painted Arabic on the inside insulting Christianity. Why do this unless the original building was a church?

Also the Dome of the Rock could not be over the site of the Jewish second temple. It had been built over a threshing floor. Who could thresh wheat on that rocky outcropping inside the Dome of the Rock.

The Dome of the Rock is located in the court of the Gentiles. The real site of the Holy of Holies is probably under the Dome of the Tablets. This site lines up with the Eastern Gate, as did the Temple entrance.

40 posted on 05/29/2012 8:10:39 PM PDT by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: maine-iac7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcpUnZ_ghdA

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41 posted on 05/29/2012 8:29:16 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: InterceptPoint

We were there in January. They have started removing paint and such to reveal the beautiful paintings underneath. There is one of the Maddonna and Child that is beautiful. Hope they don’t re-cover it.


42 posted on 05/29/2012 8:39:35 PM PDT by KYGrandma (The sun shines bright on my old Kentucky home......)
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To: M Kehoe

Ha....


43 posted on 05/29/2012 9:51:21 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (It is going to be Foot to Ass combat on election day....my foot and a Rat's ass.)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

it was converted into a mosque in 1452. In 1920 it was made into a museum by Kemal Ataturk.


44 posted on 05/29/2012 10:23:30 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

Plus also if my memory is correct, the rules are very strict in regards to NOT even doing any form of prayers at all in Hagia Sophia.


45 posted on 05/30/2012 5:34:36 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

I don’t know about that


46 posted on 05/30/2012 1:22:06 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Gillibrand

But what would the *world community* say about such a thing? Nothing as usual. The *world community* is only outraged when the United States or Israel does something to stand up for themselves. And just who is the *world community*? Why the United Nations of course. The UN is the world’s consensus building organization and of course it is dominated by 57 muslim countries representing a billion people and a lot of the worlds oil. Oh, so that’s why the *world community* is so anti USA and Israel.


47 posted on 06/01/2012 9:58:33 AM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: maine-iac7

I took a close look at the images and saw that they were mosaic, not paintings. That is probably why there are still parts of the images left on the walls. The muzzies probably got tired of chipping off the mosaics one by one. Don’t know which would be harder work—putting up the mosaics or scrapping them off.


48 posted on 06/01/2012 11:19:21 AM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: CatherineofAragon

I believe that Hagia Sophia was the last place where the Christians took refuge when the barbarian moslems took the city. The Christians were slaughtered, men, women and children, young and old in the cathedral. So much for respect for the people of the book.


49 posted on 06/01/2012 11:24:31 AM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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whoopsie:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2889220/posts


50 posted on 06/03/2012 4:43:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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