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Priests Come to Nunsí defense
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 5/29/12 | Carol Marin

Posted on 05/30/2012 6:57:05 AM PDT by marshmallow

Father Leonard Dubi, a priest of 44 years, was one of two dozen men in Roman collars at St. Barbara’s Catholic Church on Sunday night.

They were there to honor and support the embattled nuns of this country.

Even though it was Memorial Day weekend, even though plenty of people had been to church once already, and even though it was hot and steamy inside that old, beautiful, non-air conditioned church, about 150 came that night.

Nuns. Priests. Lay people.

“We ran out of programs,” said Fr. Dubi by phone on Tuesday.

These gatherings are happening all over the country as Catholics react to Rome’s attempt to reel in the Leadership Council of Women Religious, the umbrella organization that represents most religious sisters in this country.

The Vatican, in a scathing rebuke in April, appointed three bishops to “oversee” the women of LCWR. The sisters, in the view of the men who run the church, are too concerned about the poor and disenfranchised. your church family.

Not concerned enough about birth control, abortion and gay marriage.

The orthodoxies that absorb the Curia.

Many of the people in the pews see this as the last straw. And are saying so. And priests are giving voice to their own deep concerns.

Fr. Dubi is the Chairman of the Association of Chicago Priests (ACP), which wrote a letter to the sisters. In it, the priests praise LCWR for being the living embodiment of the reforms of Vatican II. And commend the sisters for being fearless in service “to the poor, the powerless, the marginalized, the forgotten, the rejected . . . the sick, the abandoned. . . . Perhaps (your mission) is too frightening to people and institutions accustomed to moving more slowly.”

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The sisters, in the view of the men who run the church, are too concerned about the poor and disenfranchised. Not concerned enough about birth control, abortion and gay marriage.

Or (to remove the journalistic spin)....."the sisters have become exclusively concerned with secular socialist ideology, while the foundations of society, such as the right to life and traditional marriage are inexorably destroyed".

That's better.

1 posted on 05/30/2012 6:57:08 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

I take it that Fr. Leonard Dubi is probably a heretic.


2 posted on 05/30/2012 7:35:31 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Is there anything good that comes out of Chicago?


3 posted on 05/30/2012 7:37:11 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: marshmallow
Toldya About the Lesbian Nuns in Leavenworth
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - May 22, AD 2012 2:09 PM MST

I mentioned not too long ago that I was exposed to a bunch of lesbian ex-nuns (and active nuns) when I was a kid outside of Kansas City. My bedroom window looked out onto the bell towers of the Sisters of Charity of Leavenworth's headquarters, less than a mile away. The sisters who were old-school, pre-Vatican II wore habits and were generally conservative, but sidelined because of their age. The 1960's and forward "nuns" were pretty much all lesbians, or if they weren't, they were sure fooling a lot of people with their high-and-tight six-dollar haircuts, manly clothing and overall butch affectations and comportment. If a child can't instantly tell whether a person is a man or a woman, there are some serious, serious psychosexual problems afoot with the androgyne in question. And, like I said, Leavenworth was never lacking for "courageous ex-nuns", who always ended up living with fellow ex-nun "roommates". Uh-huh.

Well, the Sisters of Charity of Leavenworth officially jumped the ol' shark and have declared according to their own pagan magisterium that abortifacients are just fine with them.

Here's the citation from the Topeka Capital Journal.

Now, you may be thinking that a little cabal of nuns in Leavenworth, Kansas is no big shakes, right? Wrong. This is a MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR business concern, and this example perfectly demonstrates what I and so many others (such as Karl Denninger) have been saying about the evil incestuous problem with the Marxist-infiltrators of the Church and how they have intentionally pushed for government takeover of the care of the sick and the poor.

First, here is a URL documenting the Sisters of Charity of Leavenworth Healthcare System's (SCLHS) size:

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20120417006805/en/Fitch-Affirms-Sisters-Charity-Leavenworth-Revs-AA-

Fitch rates their bonds as AA-. Yes, that's right. They have a Fitch rating. Um, is it just me, or does that seem . . . wrong somehow?

Yeah. So, one more time for those of you who might be new or still haven't figured this out yet. The Marxist infiltrators of the Catholic Church have specifically and consciously pushed for the government takeover of pretty much all charitable functions that WERE the domain of the Church - hence the traitorous alliance with the "democrat" party in the United States.

In doing this, these traitors to Our Lord have essentially used the power of the State to enforce a "mandatory tithe", coercing every earner in the United States through the Internal Revenue Service, regardless of religious affiliation or personal preference, to pay for the services that the Church SHOULD be paying for, but has ABANDONED. That's right. The Church has almost totally abandoned caring for the sick and the poor. Now what we have are these massive for-profit outfits like the SCLHS which are for-profit middle-men who bill everything that would have formerly been "charity" to the United States government - while still trying to lord "moral authority" over everyone else by falsely claiming to be "the Church."

Aside from this being pure evil, the result is a mathematical inevitability: a Ponzi scheme doomed to collapse and failure. But then, that is exactly what the Marxists were driving toward - total systemic collapse leading to the Marxist oligarchs taking complete totalitarian control of the former United States, and then the entire world. The Church has been infiltrated and used as a stooge to push state control of healthcare, care of the poor and the elderly.

The point of the Marxists specifically recruiting homosexualists into the clergy is playing out before our very eyes right now. First, the homosexualists were charged with degrading and draining the Church of its capacity to preach the Gospel, and eventually to have the Church become operationally Marxist itself. The final step in this process has already begun, namely schisming the Church and forming an "American Catholic Church", which will be a neo-pagan Marxist "Revolutionary church" and will operate as a client and front for the Marxist regime in Washington D.C.

The SCLHS is a perfect example of this. First, they want the billion-dollar gravy train to keep flowing and so they will support the Marxist regime to the very end, because the thought of them actually cutting into their TEN-FIGURE portfolio to actually, you know, PAY for healthcare for the poor in a Christ-like spirit of true charity is utterly beyond their comprehension. Are we surprised, given that they approve of killing innocent babies?

Second, since the SCLHS is almost entirely comprised of lesbians, they WANT the Church to schism and they want to form an "American Catholic Church" that will ratify and celebrate their psychosexual perversions, ordain them as priestesses, and then let those "priestesses" MARRY and engage in sodomite acts. They need statist intervention in order to make this happen, and that is EXACTLY what they are getting. The Obama regime has declared war on the Bride of Christ, and is erecting the frame of the "Revolutionary church".

So, at the end of the day, it is all about the love of money, and perverted sex.

People, there is NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN.

Finally, one more time, CHARITY and COERCION are absolutely, totally, completely 100% MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. The moment that even the slightest HINT of coercion enters into the picture, charity is DESTROYED. Gone. Adios.

Love (caritas) MUST be freely given. It HAS to be a free choice of the giver. Putting the gun and jackboot of the IRS to people's heads and necks BY DEFINITION exterminates charity. Apparently, every jackass bishop in the Western World today is either too stupid or too Marxist to comprehend or acknowledge this utterly fundamental truth.

ANY bishop who crows on and on and waxes philosophical about the state's NECESSARY role in healthcare, care of the poor or care of the elderly is a heretical jackass who needs to sit down, shut up, beg God's forgiveness for being a Marxist jackass, and then beg the Holy Spirit for a modicum of intelligence and understanding of simple, obvious truths.

Christ charged THE CHURCH with caring for the sick, poor and elderly - IN CHARITY, meaning that the Church FREELY GIVES, beginning with the FREELY GIVEN tithes of the individual faithful, and then FREELY GIVEN by the Church itself to the poor, sick and elderly.

This system worked beautifully up until 50 years ago, when the Marxist-homosexualists took over. Not only did it work, but there was even enough money to build BEAUTIFUL churches. Now the Church pays for none of these things out of its own coffers, and instead money is spent on building butt-ugly churches. There is a relatively new parish here in the Denver metro area for which the rectory - that is the priest's house - cost $800,000. Apparently this priest felt that he "deserved" to be rewarded with an $800,000 pad. Meanwhile, at the Latin Mass parish I attend, the priests live in a small, old house, and donate their $13,000 per year salaries back to the parish. That's telling, don't you think?

These Novus Ordo clergy and religious are TERRIFIED at the thought of being held to the charge and discipline of the pre-Vatican II Church and actually having to spend tithe revenue on CHARITY and embrace poverty themselves, and they will schism the Church before they turn loose of their government coerced ObamaCare/Medicare/Medicaid/SocialSecurity/Welfare gravy train.

4 posted on 05/30/2012 7:37:51 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Cicero

I think you can omit “probably”. No doubt his association is modeled after the Association of Irish Priests another dissident, heretic group. They sound all high and mighty and clamor for “reform” as if they had the Church’s best interest at heart. Truth is what they really want is the Church’s blessing to go forth and fornicate. with whomever they choose.


5 posted on 05/30/2012 7:58:03 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: marshmallow

I hope these dissident priests put their contact information all in one place to make the Vatican’s next oversight audit tat much more efficient.


6 posted on 05/30/2012 8:10:55 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("You forget, it isn't who you claim, but instead, who claims you. We don't claim you!")
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To: marshmallow
Priests Come to Nuns’ defense
Leaders of U.S. Catholic Nuns to Address Vatican Reprimand About 'Radical' Feminism
Split over nuns' role plays out online (LCWR nuns complain about blogosphere)
ANOTHER WAY TO BEAUTIFY THE CHURCH or 10 REASONS NUNS SHOULD WEAR HABITS (Warning-graphic images)
Dallas bishop ‘communicating’ with nuns on their support for Gates’ global contraceptive campaign
When Reverend Mothers Cease Being Motherly
Nuns Issue Statement Defending Billionaire Contraceptive Campaigner Melinda Gates

Important Background Information About the CDF-LCWR Situation
Nuns Gone Wild: A Trip Down Memory Lane
Exhibit A for Explaining the LCWR Report
Vatican Crackdown on U.S. Nuns a Long Time Brewing
LCWR: getting to the truth of the matter (the blogosphere response to CDF document)
Radical feminist nuns’ group ‘stunned’ by Vatican criticisms, reform plan
Vatican announces reform of US women's religious conference (more details)
Citing doctrinal problems, Vatican announces reforms of US nuns' group
In hard-hitting document Vatican launches clean-up of feminist nuns in United States
LCWR Having a Bad Day. Vatican Names Archbishop Delegate to Continue Watching LCWR and Network

7 posted on 05/30/2012 8:20:54 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow

I’m not following something here. What exactly is the issue?


8 posted on 05/30/2012 8:21:31 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock
I’m not following something here. What exactly is the issue?

Basically there is a big group of nuns in the US who are pretty much just a Catholic extension of the National Organization of Women. Feminazi nuns, in other words; lesbian, abortion activists, etc. The Vatican recently issued a statement slapping them down for supporting abortion and not following Catholic teaching. Understandably, this hurt the poor nun-zies feelings so their liberal priest friends are being all "supportive and stuff."

9 posted on 05/30/2012 9:27:31 AM PDT by Sparticus (Tar and feathers for the next dumb@ss Republican that uses the word bipartisanship.)
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To: marshmallow

In future, it just seems obvious to label the Chicago Sun-Times (along with a bunch of others) as an “anti-Catholic newspaper”. Just state it matter-of-factly:

“The anti-Catholic Chicago Sun-Times”. No matter the subject, this puts into perspective where they are coming from.

Right now, for example, their online edition has a front page article, “Suits aim to legalize gay marriage in Illinois”. However, it changes the entire complexion of this story if when reposted with its headline as, “The anti-Catholic Chicago Sun-Times writes that Suits aim to legalize gay marriage in Illinois”.

Were this to crop up a several times on the Internet, it would be highly amusing to see the bluff and bluster from the Sun-Times *denying* that they are anti-Catholic. And it would be even more amusing if they *didn’t* deny it.


10 posted on 05/30/2012 9:30:38 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Sparticus

Got it. Thanks.


11 posted on 05/30/2012 9:54:46 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock
They disrespect our Lord. It comes down to what Christ taught in a nutshell. Remember when Christ put all the laws into two. One was love the Lord thou God and love your neighbor as you love yourself.

Well some sisters or nuns have taken out the love for God part. They make him into whatever with no respect for being in a Church. But believe in helping their "neighbor" anyway they can with abortion and disregarding Christ at the same time.

I believe this article with comments can explain it best. notice her disrespect on calling the Pope his proper name. Remember also she took vows to uphold Christ. But then has other ideas but still stays in the church to spread her non- Christ ways.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2880622/posts

12 posted on 05/30/2012 10:09:43 AM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: johngrace

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2880622/posts


13 posted on 05/30/2012 10:10:39 AM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
This system worked beautifully up until 50 years ago, when the Marxist-homosexualists took over. Not only did it work, but there was even enough money to build BEAUTIFUL churches. Now the Church pays for none of these things out of its own coffers, and instead money is spent on building butt-ugly churches. There is a relatively new parish here in the Denver metro area for which the rectory - that is the priest's house - cost $800,000. Apparently this priest felt that he "deserved" to be rewarded with an $800,000 pad. Meanwhile, at the Latin Mass parish I attend, the priests live in a small, old house, and donate their $13,000 per year salaries back to the parish. That's telling, don't you think?

This keeps a lot people away from Church, in all synods and denominations. There is a real disconnect between what the Church should do and running it like a for profit business. The majority of pastors/priests seem to think the parish is their personal business, and not about God and serving the congregation at all. I have had to work against the grandiose schemes of a few pastors, and it can divide a church very quickly.

14 posted on 05/30/2012 12:58:38 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: marshmallow
those women stopped being nuns when they decided they would rather turn on the Church, trade their habits for polyester pants suits and mannish haircuts, and have sex with each other in the name of Gaia. Any "priest" who supports them supports and approves that behavior. These people have excommunicated themselves.

My sympathies are for the old nuns of these orders who remain faithful to the Church and to their vows, but who don't have any place to go if they leave the offending groups. Imagine being trapped in that kind of situation.

15 posted on 05/30/2012 4:41:11 PM PDT by redhead (Libs can't win without cheating--Conservatives don't have to cheat to win)
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