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Pro-Homosexual Reverend Loses Congregation
Moonbattery ^ | 6/1/2012 | Moonbattery

Posted on 06/01/2012 5:00:46 PM PDT by Morgana

There is a price to be paid by reverends who turn their backs on both scripture and their own congregations:

The reverend of a St. Paul church says he needs to raise $200,000 to pay off a church loan after most of his followers left because of his support for gay marriage.

The Rev. Oliver White runs Grace Community United Church of Christ in St. Paul. The 69-year-old said he needs to raise the money by June 30.

“We lost our income when we lost a number of people from our congregation.” White said.

White said two-thirds of his followers left after he said he supported same-sex marriage, and said he was against the marriage amendment that will be up for a vote in November.

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TOPICS: General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; kenyanbornmuzzie; mediawingofthednc; minneapolis; minnesota; partisanmediashills; stpaul

1 posted on 06/01/2012 5:00:53 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

There are churches where you can openly come out against the Bible but evidently Grace Community isn’t one of them.


2 posted on 06/01/2012 5:03:46 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron

I think it would be all good if he makes it an Methodist church


3 posted on 06/01/2012 5:04:54 PM PDT by 09Patriot (your freedom to be you, includes my freedom to be from you.--Wilkow)
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To: Morgana

So where is the gay population? Aren’t they going to support this preacher? Or is the true intention to simply destroy the church?


4 posted on 06/01/2012 5:06:52 PM PDT by formosa (Formosa)
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To: Morgana
he reverend of a St. Paul church says he needs to raise $200,000 to pay off a church loan after most of his followers left because of his support for gay marriage.

The "reverend" white has learned a valuable lesson.

Pay off the loan BEFORE you spit in your congregations faces.
5 posted on 06/01/2012 5:08:01 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (With (R)epublicans like these, who needs (D)emocrats?)
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To: marron

“Grace Community United Church of Christ was established in July 1990. Currently, we are the only predominantly Black church in the Minnesota Conference of the United Church of Christ.”

Kudos to the congregation for taking a stand. I would rather they approach the board and demand a resignation / replacement. Will have to check article to see if they did.


6 posted on 06/01/2012 5:19:11 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Morgana.


7 posted on 06/01/2012 5:23:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Morgana

Sounds like religious liberty and free markets in action. This clergyman is free to preach what he wants. The congregants are free to go to another church that is actually faithful to God’s inerrant scripture.

Although he’ll probably play the victim, there is no “right” to have people show up and pay your bills.


8 posted on 06/01/2012 5:29:36 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Morgana

If the Preacher thought more of his Church and less of his fag friends he would resign, invite the parisioners back and let them pay off the mortgage with an actual Christian preacher.

If the bank was smart they might suggest it , asn I don’t think a Foreclosed Church is a very good marketable object.


9 posted on 06/01/2012 5:33:40 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Morgana
Churches and denominations that pander to gain numbers in their congregation fail. That is true for the ELCA as it is for individual pastors that stray from the course.

There are Biblical/scriptural references regard the topic of false religions and churches, but who cares about what the Bible says. lol

Ironically, it's those Bible thumping crazed wacky churches (according to the MSM out of touch with post modern enlightened society with it's pop-culture) that are doing well, i.e. The Southern Baptists, Mormons... etc that holding steady or even increasing in their numbers!

10 posted on 06/01/2012 5:44:46 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Morgana
two-thirds of his followers left after he said he supported same-sex marriage, and said he was against the marriage amendment that will be up for a vote in November.

Okay, so the majority, vast majority, of his parishoners left. He didn't know how many disagreed with him? He never had the curiosity to talk to the people about how they felt? Dufus. He deserves to be in this situation, one of his own making.

11 posted on 06/01/2012 5:49:12 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: LibertarianLiz

But he’s a liberal. Therefore, in his mind, he knows “best.” So he can push whatever agenda he wants whether it’s against their will or not. Sounds kind of like the Democrats and Obamacare.


12 posted on 06/01/2012 5:54:24 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Morgana

The Rev. Oliver White knew not everyone at his St. Paul church was going to agree with his support for gay marriage. But he never imagined that nearly two-thirds of his congregation would leave.

And now, Grace Community United Church of Christ, the only UCC church in Minnesota with a predominantly black congregation, is in desperate straits. The church has until June 30 to raise $200,000 to pay off a loan, otherwise it likely will be forced to close, White says.

Since the pastor began his campaign earlier this year to save the church, he has received support from dozens of churches, groups and individuals nationwide. As of this week, he's received more than $22,000.

The church began faltering in 2005, when White attended a national United Church of Christ assembly in Atlanta and voted with a majority of delegates in favor of a resolution supporting gay marriage. His vote didn't sit well with most of the 320 or so Grace Community Church members.

"I was really in shock," said White, who's been pastor at the church for 22 years. "I visited one member after another, who told me they weren't coming back because of it. The membership evaporated right before my eyes. Their fundamental belief was it's wrong for a man and a man to marry or a woman and a woman to marry. A lot of them said if I change, they'd come back. But I told them, it is what it is. I am who I am. And this is what I fight for."

13 posted on 06/01/2012 5:55:20 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Morgana

Didn’t the NAALCP say that being a homo was OK? Didn’t they try to guilt the black community into supporting sodomy? Let’s hope that they end up like this guy.


14 posted on 06/01/2012 6:08:25 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: Morgana; irishtenor; HarleyD
He went on to bleat that people who take scripture and morality seriously are “scared of change,”

Ummm, actually I'm scared of God.

15 posted on 06/01/2012 6:15:03 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Morgana

Obama and the Democrats are going to be the laughing stock of the nation the day after the November Election.


16 posted on 06/01/2012 6:52:19 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Morgana

The amazing thing is ... the "reverend" remains unrepentant.


17 posted on 06/01/2012 7:02:17 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real

Unrepentant or clueless?


18 posted on 06/01/2012 7:07:52 PM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: Morgana

Let’s see, two thirds against and one third for. Mmmmmmmm, maybe rethink his position .... no, but he’ll happily accept the consequences without any blaming or whining .... right, just like the Food Stamp President, always someone else’s fault.


19 posted on 06/01/2012 7:31:50 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: Morgana

20 posted on 06/01/2012 7:34:38 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: kcvl
But I told them, I am who I am. And this is what I fight for.”

He fights for turning marriage into sodomy because he views himself as I Am. He is not God and he has no right to bless sodomy in the name of God. As a minister of Christ he should love homosexuals. He should not claim sin is holy in matrimony.
21 posted on 06/01/2012 7:49:20 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Morgana

Apparently two -thirds of the congregation follow the Bible and Christ,only one-third follow the preacher.

It is repugnant to speak of parishoners as followers of any preacher.


22 posted on 06/01/2012 8:14:02 PM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: 09Patriot
I think it would be all good if he makes it an Methodist church

Probably so. My wife & I stopped going to our local United Methodist Church of many years a couple of years ago when the most recent woman pastor appointee rotated in and started preaching from Time magazine and throwing out the pro-gay comments (among other pro-lib stuff) during sermons. Seeya.

23 posted on 06/01/2012 8:32:14 PM PDT by MCH
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To: Red6
Ironically, it's those Bible thumping crazed wacky churches (according to the MSM out of touch with post modern enlightened society with it's pop-culture) that are doing well, i.e. The Southern Baptists, Mormons... etc that holding steady or even increasing in their numbers!

You lost me when you lumped in a cult religion with a Christian sect.
24 posted on 06/01/2012 9:07:06 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: Morgana

In a recent article I read, he said he had 320 congregants, and now has 110, but a NYT’s article from 2007 noted his congregants at 70.

He is apparently bad at math..Who would take out a 200,000 dollar loan with only 70 men, women, and children to pay it?
If you’ve looked at Pics of the Church, and the neighborhood it’s in, it’s far from affluent.

I think he screwed up, and has now inflated the number of congregants who left, or that he had originally to pony up sympathy from the gay community..
“Send me a check. I’m pro gay..” Seems like it has worked, just not to the tune of $200,000.


25 posted on 06/01/2012 9:07:22 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: humblegunner

Did your church get the loan?


26 posted on 06/01/2012 9:17:08 PM PDT by Eaker (When somebody hands you your arse, don't give it back saying "This needs a little more tenderizing.")
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To: Eaker
Did your church get the loan?

Didn't need it. Changed the format to feather boas and
showtunes and added a steamy sauna. Business is flaming.

27 posted on 06/02/2012 4:31:12 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Morgana

I guess the good Reverend Oliver White should ask all the local homosexual community to donate to his church so he can retire the $200,000 debt. Yeah, right! Got to get right on that.


28 posted on 06/02/2012 7:05:58 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: Gamecock; Morgana; irishtenor

Wheat: 2/3

Tares: 1/3


29 posted on 06/02/2012 9:02:03 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Morgana
Unrepentant or clueless?

Unrepentant.

Romans 1:8 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

30 posted on 06/02/2012 9:16:19 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

What a crazy world we live in when a holy man would condemn morality.

Normally, that quote would end: .....are “well grounded and smiled upon by the Lord.”

I would not be at all surprised of Obugger bails them out.


31 posted on 06/02/2012 9:24:50 AM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg
The "reverend" white has learned a valuable lesson.

Pay off the loan BEFORE you spit in your congregations faces.

The "reverend" has control of the tax-free assets created and paid for by the congregation. He simply lost his previous tax-free cash flow.

Obviously, the people of congregations (like many before) learned nothing from the episode. Were they capable of learning anything, the people of congregations would long ago have seized control of THEIR OWN assets and cash flow to prevent precisely this sort of hostile takeover by leftists.

And the Gramscian marxists continue their "long march through the institutions".

Religions are man-made, and therefore are corrupted from their inception.

32 posted on 06/02/2012 9:46:55 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: Morgana

Gay Christian Movement Watch

Tag:UCC
http://www.gcmwatch.com/tag/ucc


33 posted on 06/02/2012 9:48:25 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: MCH

I would have left when they started ordaining women.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20timothy%202:11-15&version=ESVUK

Ordaining homosexuals is the usual next step.


34 posted on 06/02/2012 2:55:44 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: SoConPubbie
Yeah, right. Using emotional words to describe the Mormons makes you right. Better yet, it increases the odds of having a Conservative become president and helps a lot at trying to push through even the most basic Christian principals in this nation. Sense any sarcasm? A house divided- there is a reason why we have gay marriage, abortion on demand and a president that declares the US is not a Christian nation on Arab TV... in the meantime you can pride and elevate yourself by attacking the Mormons, that’ll help! I guess that makes you a better Christian? Are Catholics a “cult?” What about “Jehovah Witnesses?” You see, the awesome thing about Christians is that they can agree on a lot, and even those things they all share a common ground on, they ignore because infighting and greed/money is more important than those common values they do have.
35 posted on 06/06/2012 6:09:02 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Red6; Elsie; svcw; greyfoxx39
Yeah, right. Using emotional words to describe the Mormons makes you right.

There is nothing emotional in my statement.

Mormonism, as defined by it's founder, it's bishops, it's founding documents, and it's practices is not a sect of Christianity, it is it's own religion.

From a Christian perspective, using the Christian Bible (that Joseph Smith declared had been corrupted by incorrect translations BTW), Mormonism does not believe in the God, the Son of God, or the Holy Spirit of the Bible, furthermore, they, by the words of their own bishops and prophets, do not believe in the Gospel of the Bible where salvation if of the Grace of God alone, completely separate from our own works.

Therefore it is a cult.

My statement has been proven both factually and historically by many, many, many articles posted on FreeRepublic that contain the truth backed up, once again, by the words of it's founder, it's Prophets, it's bishops, it's founding documents, and it's practices.
36 posted on 06/06/2012 7:56:52 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: Red6

mormonism is not Christianity.
lds do not beleive in the Christ of the Bible.

Gordon B. Hinckley: “The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I [LdS President and Living Prophet] speak.”


37 posted on 06/06/2012 8:21:32 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: SoConPubbie

Waste of time-


38 posted on 06/08/2012 11:59:30 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Morgana

Get nasty with Satan and get what he promises. If you had favor with 6OD and turned who have more trouble than you will ever know.


39 posted on 06/09/2012 12:03:43 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: 09Patriot

United Methodist came out formally against homosexual marriage recently

Amazing for a usually lib UCC outfit in MN...to reject it

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-05-03/methodist-homosexuality-vote/54737970/1


40 posted on 06/09/2012 12:28:56 AM PDT by wardaddy (the GOP are cowards)
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To: eyedigress

“Get nasty with Satan “

I would have thought the Reverend would have known “the wages of sin is death” or “you will reap what you sow”, but I was proven wrong.


41 posted on 06/09/2012 6:44:50 AM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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