Posted on 06/05/2012 7:21:34 AM PDT by marshmallow
The New Mexico Court of Appeals has ruled that it is illegal for a photography business owned by Christians to refuse to photograph a same-sex wedding ceremony—even though New Mexico law does not permit same-sex marriage.
The court based its judgment on the text of the New Mexico Human Rights Act (NMHRA), which makes it illegal “any person in any public accommodation to make a distinction, directly or indirectly, in offering or refusing to offer its services . . . to any person because of race, religion, color, national origin, ancestry, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, spousal affiliation or physical or mental handicap.”
“Elane Photography’s owners are Christians who believe that marriage is a sacred union of one man and one woman,” the court noted in its opinion. “Elane Photography denied Willock’s request to photograph the ceremony based upon its policy of refusing to photograph images that convey the message that marriage can be defined to include combinations of people other than the union of one man and one woman … They also believe that photography is an artistically expressive form of communication and photographing a same-sex commitment ceremony would disobey God and the teachings of the Bible by communicating a message contrary to their religious and personal beliefs.”
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This is sort of like the thread from yesterday about the lady that didn’t want to rent to a soldier.
Exactly.
I’m a photographer, and you do NOT want to force me to photograph your immoral relationship. You do NOT.
I’ll take your money ! you won’t like the images.
GUARANTEED !
Iirc, this situation was a setup in hopes of getting the court to rule exactly this way. It’s certainly not, now, after all the time that has passed, about the photographs for the original plaintiffs.
Unlike many such situations, this ruling is completely legitimate based on the text of the statute. If New Mexico residents don’t like what’s happening, they need to go after their state legislators to get the law changed.
Yes.
The beauty of free-market capitalism is that it is self-correcting.
Any business that refuses service to individuals or groups runs the risk of loosing business to someone who will serve those individuals.
The fundamental problem with the Jim-crow laws was that it was the GOVT deciding who could serve whom.
So yes - everyone should be able to make the choice about with whom they associate or with whom they do business. And if they want to discriminate they do so at their own risk; the risk of loosing money, the risk of looking like a jerk - or even the “risk” of simply looking like a Christian who stands on their principals...
It is becoming more and more clear to more and more people that giving up IRS privileges is just what Bible-belieivng churches are going to have to do.
Incorporation and IRS status are NOT what makes a church a church to begin with. In fact, it will soon make a church less of a church, if it hasn't already, or not a church at all.
I am writing after many years of direct work with underground churches in, let's just say, "anti-Christian," and anti-missionary" countries. The underground churches are not registered, not incorporated, and without tax privileges. Some of them are still entirely unknown to officialdom. Are they legitimate churches ? By the definitions of many Americans, NO! They would be considered illegitimate to Americans who believe that to be legitimate, it must have a stamp of governmental approval and recognition.
There have always been unregistered (unincorporated, non-501(c)(3)) churches in the United States. In fact, there were NO 501(c)(3) churches before 1951, because such status didn't exist before 1951. All churches in the USA must have been phony before 1951 !! (sarc.)
The unregistered church movements that already exist in the USA (they DO exist and have been growing exponentially since 1980), will soon be the model for church organization. Currently they are not necessarily "underground," but they soon will be.
That would be Jackson, although the statement probably was never uttered.
But you must reserve your rights.
UCC 1-308
How the UCC 1-308 works
. Compare that the constitution for the US establishes for the court’s jurisdiction at common law, equity and admiralty under article 3. As opposed to this, the Federal corporation establishes a similar jurisdiction except as principles under the Uniform commercial code. See... UCC § 1-103. Supplementary General Principles of Law Applicable. Unless displaced by the particular provisions of this Act, the principles of law and equity, including the law merchantand the law relative to capacity to contract, principal and agent, estoppel, fraud, misrepresentation, duress, coercion, mistake, Bankruptcy, or other validating or invalidating cause shall supplement its provisions.
Anytime ya see law by itself as in the foregoing, it means the common law. Except that they are taking the common law jurisdiction from the contract the UCC. The remedy of course is UCC 1-308. So the UCC is a deceptive criminal contractual constitution of sorts to those who uses it against us.
UCC 1-308 is the remedy for any legal process under commercial law in the U.S.
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UCC § 1-308. Performance or Acceptance Under Reservation of Rights.(a) A party that with explicit reservation of rights performs or promises performance or assents to performance in a manner demanded or offered by the other party does not thereby prejudice the rights reserved. Such words as “without prejudice,” “under protest,” or the like are sufficient.
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Since the Federal Corporation is just that, a corporation. It has no jurisdiction except with those that contract with it. Also see Congressional act of 1871 and USC Title 28, Part VI, chapter 176, sub chapter 176, subsection A, 3002 (15) “United States” means—(A) a Federal corporation;
The states illegally contracted with the federal corporation by passing the Uniform Commercial Code making themselves as well as the unsuspecting people subject to the Federal corporation and also to the states in their new commercial capacities.
• The Uniform Commercial code creates a corporate State of the United States,the federal corporation. As opposed to one of the dejure several States of the union.
See… UCC 1-201. General Definitions.(38) “State” means a State of the United States,…
As opposed to being one of the several states of the union…
USC TITLE 28 > PART VI > CHAPTER 176 > SUBCHAPTER A > § 3002Definitions (14) “State” means any of the several States,…
• Because the states have passed the Uniform Commercial code, it has made its Citizens persons (which are legal entities and articles of commerce) and the State to be vesselsof the United States placing the State and its Citizens under maritime law. See the brilliant word smithing in the following.
USC TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 1 > § 9. Vessel of the United States defined
The term “vessel of the United States”, as used in this title, means a vessel belonging in whole or in part to the United States, or any citizen thereof, or any corporation created by or under the laws of the United States, or of any State, Territory, District, or possession thereof.
Therefore all of the laws (color of law) are contractual commercial laws and the remedy is UCC 1-308. The Uniform Commercial Code makes all crimes commercial only by contract as per 27 CFR 72.11. The problem is that you have to get into higher courts before they will recognize the remedy. The remedy however should legally and always be give without delay on demand or claim. This of course is the problem. The misdemeanor courts do not have a clue as to where their jurisdiction comes from and neither do magistrates. You have to get in front of a court with a real judge that tries felonies. The courts try to string ya along under duress of threat hoping that you can be scared into a plea. But they in the end have to honor the remedy.
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27 CFR 72.11 PART 72_DISPOSITION OF SEIZED PERSONAL PROPERTY—Table of Contents
Subpart B_Definitions Commercial crimes. Any of the following types of crimes (Federal or State): Offenses against the revenue laws; burglary; counterfeiting; forgery; kidnapping; larceny; robbery; illegal sale or possession of deadly weapons; prostitution (including soliciting, procuring, pandering, white slaving, keeping house of ill fame, and like offenses); extortion; swindling and confidence games; and attempting to commit, conspiring to commit, or compounding any of the foregoing crimes. Addiction to narcotic drugs and use of marihuana will be treated as if such were commercial crime.
Last note: The 14th amendment actually creates a lower class of “citizen of the United States” rather than the higher Citizenship of one of the several states of the union. The remedy provided to the 14th amendment, is an act by congress known as 15 United States Statute at Large, July 27, 1868, one day before the 14th Amendment took effect and also known as the “Expatriation Statute.” This is your remedy to claim to be a natural Citizen of your state. This makes you a higher Citizen and no longer subject to the Article 4 loophole that also deprives you of your rights.
The District of Columbia Act of 1871What did it do?
Initial review of the District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 seems like it only sets up a local government (like Chicago or Seattle); how do you get that they formed a private corporation? If you take the Act out of its historical context and, from the present looking to the past, imagine who the parties involved are, we might agree. However, by doing that you will never understand what happened; therefore, to best understand what really happened we follow our:
Standard for Review
Rule 1: To understand any relationship you must:First understand who the parties are; Always know yourself first Discover the true nature of all other parties second
Then you must understand the environmental nature of the relationship; and,
Only then do the actual terms of the relationship begin to have meaning and bearing on the relationship.
Rule 2: To have any hope of understanding any particular situation in any relationship you must have first applied Rule 1, only then do the details of the situation in question have any meaning; therefore, review such details in accord with Rule 1 as well.
Thus, to understand the parties involved in the District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871, we must first understand who the parties are involved in the relationship described by the Act. We are not here going to delve into the Act in its entirety, suffice it to say, looking over the situation we find the Act is one made by the original jurisdiction Congress, set by the Constitution for the United States of America. The District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 describes its venue as: “all that part of the territory of the United States included within the limits of the District of Columbia”. The District of Columbia was originally provided for in the Constitution for the United States of America (Sept. 17, 1787) at Article 1 Section 8, specifically in the last two clauses. Then, on July 16, 1790, in accord with the provisions of those clauses, the Territory was formed in the District of Columbia Act, wherein the “ten mile square” territory was permanently created and made the permanent location of the country’s government, that is to say, the “territory” includes the actual government. Under the Act Congress also made the President the civic leader of the local government in all matters in said Territory. Then on February 27, 1801, under the second District of Columbia Act, two counties were formed and their respective officers and district judges were appointed. Further, the established town governments of Alexandria, Georgetown and Washington were recognized as constituted and placed under the laws of the District, its judges, etc. The popular names for this “Charter Act” are the, “District of Columbia Organization Act” and the “District of Columbia Act “, which Act the Supreme Court has recognized was the incorporation of the “municipality” known as the “District of Columbia”. Then on March 3, 1801 a Supplementary Act to that last Act, noted here, added the authority that the Marshals appointed by the respective District Court Judges collectively form a County Commission with the authority to appoint all officers as may be needed in similarity to the respective State officials in the states whence the counties Washington and Alexandria came, those being Maryland and Virginia, respectively.
According to the United States Supreme Court those charter acts (first acts) were the official incorporation of the formal municipal government of the District of Columbia as chartered by Congress in accord with the Constitution’s provision. Again, the Supreme Court called that body of government “a corporation”, with the right to sue and be sued. Since 1801 The District of Columbia has been consistently recognized as a “municipal corporation” with its own government.
That sets the basics for the first rule of our Standard for Review, know the parties. What we have presented is sufficient to show the basics of who the parties are as they related to resolving the answer to the question above. We admonish everyone to prove the facts for themselves by their own research.
The second rule from our Standard for Review is: “Then you must understand the environmental nature of the relationship.” With that in mind let’s consider the events of the time: the Civil War had recently ended and the country was still under Lincoln’s Conscription Act (Martial Law). Congress had at least three problems they could see no way to directly cure by following the laws of the land: they were out of funds, they had promised 40 acres of land to each slave that left the South to fight for the North and they had to reintegrate the south into the Union, which they could not do without controlling the appointment of the Southern States Congressional members. There were other problems but these three stand out from the rest. That is enough about the environment for the purposes of this review, however the more you study the historical events of this time the more obvious the relationships will become and the more proof you will amass to prove the facts of what actually happened. In the interest of time and space in this response we will move on.
The last step of the Standard for Review’s discovery process requires a review of the actual terms of the relationship. Thus, we review the first paragraph of the District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871, which follows:
Congress wrote:That all that part of the territory of the United States included within the limits of the District of Columbia be, and the same is hereby, created into a government by the name of the District of Columbia, by which name it is hereby constituted a body corporate for municipal purposes … and exercise all other powers of a municipal corporation
Knowing the government of the District of Columbia was already “created into a government” and so formed into a municipal incorporation in 1801 under the District of Columbia Acts, we wonder, even with Congress’ constitutional authority to pass any law within the ten mile square of the District, how do you create, or incorporate, for the first time a municipal government that has already been in existence as a municipal corporation for over 60 years? The obvious answer is, “It’s impossible!” There is no way to pass an “Organic Act” when the Charter Act is already in place, because the two words (organic and charter) have the same meaning—The First Act. Even Congress cannot change history; though historians can make it appear to change by rewriting it for those unwilling to study the past from the records. The records speak for themselves only if we study them.
When you consider the historical facts, the only meaning left for the terms given in the opening paragraph of the District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 (and that which follows) is, the “municipal corporation” that was created is a private corporation owned by the existent municipality. And the only government created in that Act was the same government any private corporation has within the operation of its own corporate construct. Thus, we call it Corp. U.S. We also note Congress reserved the right, granted them in the Constitution, to complete dictatorial authority over their Corp. U.S. construct, without regard for its internal operations or officers. Thus, Congress can use it within the ten mile square as they see fit to both govern the municipality as if it were the municipal government and to use it to do things the Constitution did not grant them the privilege of doing.
http://www.teamlaw.org/Mythology-CorpUS.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPkauG6qE8k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzmUuKd6ucM&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpMMnJWExNU&feature=relmfu
If they want to compel a Christian to photograph a "ceremony" that violates his deeply held beliefs, the photographer might as well make a production of it. Demand payment in advance. Bring a swarm of protesters with signs objecting not to the "wedding" but to the forced servitude of the photographer. Dress in an ostentatious manner, perhaps as a slave (queers would like that!). Make the pictures adequate in the sense that they don't show malicious intent - focused and of the "ceremony" - but sort through perhaps 2000 digital pictures and delete all but the worst 200 of the pictures before showing them to the entitled couple so that those compelling slave labor get what they deserve. Make portfolios with the results to show other gay activists who demand slave labor: "Yes, at the point of a gun we will photograph the events that gays pretend are weddings, but due to the photographer's efforts to combat nausea we cannot guarantee any better quality than this."
The problem is that we let the far left set the agenda and choose the language of the debate. This is about individual freedom, the only meaningful form of freedom, and we need to argue in favor of freedom and stand with those who refuse to bow to political correctness.
This ruling is DOA at the U.S. Supreme Court. What a waste of time (unless you’re a lawyer).
For a discussion of the underlying issue, see "Civil Rights" vs. American Freedom.
When people are free, only so long as they act in a manner that the Government dictates, they are not free at all. The idea that you wrong someone by simply & politely declining to do business with them is tortured, to say the least.
William Flax
Read the post above you [#48] and then go learn the law that our FF gave us,
Or possibly we need to preserve a remnant.
Mankind as we know him today has been genetically traced back to a tribe of about 200 humans about 40,000 years ago. Thus, we are certainly all related to each other. What we don’t have a clue about is how the species got collapsed into a remnant of 200, and we don’t know what man was like prior to that. My point? I’m not sure. But we must never LOSE our culture, even if we are suppressed for a time.
That's a great idea.
Just add a line to their advertising that says 10% of the profits go to Focus on the Family and they won't even be asked to those jobs...:^)
The Christian photographer was targeted by the lesbians as a set up for this suit, knowing full well they would probably decline to provide services.
Whatever happened to "We Reserve the Right to Refuse Service to Anyone?"
Anyone? Anyone?
Yes it is. I have been waiting for the first gay couple to show up at a Catholic Church and demand to be "married".
As for the photographers, is choosing photographers now a "civil right"? Are there not other photographers who might be able to do your "wedding"? Why do you need this particular photographer?
The whole "gay marriage" thing has nothing at all to do with marriage (other than the attempt to further erode/destroy the institution) and everything to do with politics.
white hair/black hair. It’s not about the color. It’s about the color of the person wearing it.
A RuiNation in the making.. and the courts helped.
I know it sounds harsh; but, because the govt. has gotten so involved in all of this personal stuff, we now have photographers being forced to take a customer with whom they have moral objections. There are other photogs who will take this business. This is about forcing people to "associate".
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