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Chariots in Red Sea: 'Irrefutable evidence'
World Net Daily ^ | June 7th, 2012 | Joe Kovacs

Posted on 06/07/2012 6:56:12 PM PDT by ReformationFan

A news report that stunned the world nine years ago about the discovery of possible ancient chariot wheels at the bottom of the Red Sea is suddenly gaining fresh attention with new video claiming “irrefutable evidence” that corroborates the find.

In June 2003, WND interviewed Bible enthusiasts who dove the waters of the Red Sea, alleging they found and photographed parts of chariots that may be the actual remains of the catastrophe brought upon the Egyptian army which pursued the Israelites, according to the Book of Exodus in the Bible.

“I am 99.9 percent sure I picked up a chariot wheel,” said Peter Elmer, a forklift mechanic from Keynsham, England, who made two diving trips to the Gulf of Aqaba branch of the sea. “It was covered in coral.”

“I believe I actually sat in an ancient chariot cab,” he told WND at the time, referring to his time exploring a submerged item in the underwater junkyard. “Without question, it is most definitely the remains of the Egyptian army.”

Now, Michael Rood, a Hebrew-roots teacher, has produced a video proffering evidence Elmer is absolutely correct.

His DVD, titled “The Red Sea Crossing,” documents the work of numerous researchers from the U.S. and overseas who have probed an underwater land bridge between a beachhead at Nuweiba, Egypt, and what is today Saudi Arabia.

“What they found strewn across the bottom of the reed sea has shaken the religious and scientific community,” says Rood. “Cameras, mounted on remote-controlled submarines, revealed coral-encrusted chariot parts, horse and human remains strewn like battlefield wreckage on the bottom of the reed sea.”

He uses the term “reed sea” instead of Red Sea, as that’s the literal translation of the words “yam suph” in Holy Scripture, referring to the body of water God miraculously opened for the

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; History; Judaism
KEYWORDS: bible; egypt; exodus; godsgravesglyphs; hoaxodus; israel; ntsa; pharaohschariots; redsea; ronwyatt; ssdd
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1 posted on 06/07/2012 6:56:23 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan
horse and human remains strewn like battlefield wreckage on the bottom of the reed sea

2000+ year old human and horse remains in the sea.

I'm 99% sure that's silly.

2 posted on 06/07/2012 6:59:59 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead

The Exodus was about 1400+ BC, making it 3400+ years ago.


3 posted on 06/07/2012 7:03:48 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: ReformationFan

you seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPpKnwh3AvE


4 posted on 06/07/2012 7:04:09 PM PDT by chicken head
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To: dead

Yep! Wooden wheels or chariot cabs also.


5 posted on 06/07/2012 7:05:11 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: dead

Not necessarily, it would depend on the chemical composition of the water and the items. There of course would be no flesh but metals, wood or bone could have been reserved in whole or in part.


6 posted on 06/07/2012 7:05:37 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: ReformationFan

I have a good dvd on this topic called “The Exodus Revealed”.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Exodus-Revealed-Searching-Crossing/dp/B00005AUE2


8 posted on 06/07/2012 7:08:23 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: ReformationFan

9 posted on 06/07/2012 7:09:18 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: dead
I am sure it's just an amazing coincidence ;)

After all horses can probably swim for a mile or so pulling a chariot and soldiers. It was the first primitive battleship.

10 posted on 06/07/2012 7:11:09 PM PDT by bkaycee
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To: chicken head

LOL!


11 posted on 06/07/2012 7:11:26 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Vermont Lt

This is much easier to believe than the idea that Barry Sotelo or whatever was born in Hawaii. THAT is B.S.


12 posted on 06/07/2012 7:13:15 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: dead

There’s a reason it’s called “Wing Nut Daily.”


13 posted on 06/07/2012 7:22:13 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: dead

I would assume they mean swords, shields, helmets, etc. of the charioteers, and harness hardware, bridle bits, and metal decorations from the horses. That’s just a WAG, of course.


14 posted on 06/07/2012 7:24:38 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: ReformationFan

Interesting, but I’d like to see it from more reliable sources.


15 posted on 06/07/2012 7:25:33 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("I'm so thankful for the active obedience of Christ. No hope without it." -- J. Gresham Machen)
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To: Lee N. Field
More reliable sources?
You mean like the ones who aren't even the slightest bit curious about Obama’s college transcripts or the Bilderbergs?
The media will never report anything that goes against their secular humanists religion.
16 posted on 06/07/2012 7:35:45 PM PDT by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: dead
If the 'reed sea' is an anaerobic environment, it is possible for there to be remains.

BUT... let's think outside the box a little.

Is is possible that after 'battle', that the 'winners' may have found it easier (and a lot less smellier) to shove all the remains of their enemies (and their dead fellow soldiers and dead horses) off into the water ????????????????????????????

Leaving a bunch of dead bodies laying around decaying is not exactly a good idea. Digging a big enough hole to dispose of all of them, is a huge drain on manpower, especially with battle weary troops.

17 posted on 06/07/2012 7:49:41 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2
I'm not so sure if the winners would have worried too much about the losers, and I don't think they were likely to hang around. But perhaps, to destroy their vehicles, arms, etc. I suppose.

If there are actual artifacts, I would hope that they would treat it as an archaeological dig with good documentation, etc. Your theory is a good one, but probably not if they have evidence of chariots and other heavy items a mile from shore.

18 posted on 06/07/2012 7:58:56 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: UCANSEE2

I know nothing of the topography of the area, but most beachheads are flat or slightly sloping. It seems unlikely that fallen enemy soldiers would be dragged into deeper water, not to mention the horses.


19 posted on 06/07/2012 8:06:51 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: UCANSEE2

I would bet these things are the result of shipwrecks or raft-wrecks where the raft or ship totally disintegrated or evidence of was ignored by the so called “archeologist”


20 posted on 06/07/2012 8:14:31 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: ReformationFan
A good map of the Strait of Tiran...note the chain of coral reefs in green.

@

An excellent collection of pics of nautical charts is here...@http://www.truebiblecode.com/understanding249.html

21 posted on 06/07/2012 8:21:16 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Amberdawn
I know nothing of the topography of the area...
See reply 21.
22 posted on 06/07/2012 8:22:54 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: UCANSEE2

Why would a land battle near the red (or any branch of this sea) suddenly decide to burry or get rid of the remains of any enemy army anyway? Why should they?

I think the more likely explanation is that this IS possible to be the Biblical Pharoah’s legion of charioteers.


23 posted on 06/07/2012 8:23:57 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: UCANSEE2
3400 years of anything but gold in a warm, shallow salt water environment virtually assures it's complete disintegration.

The RMS Titanic is several miles down with much lower oxygen levels and is noticeably corroding since it was first sighted. It will consist of several unrecognizable lumps in a few hundred years.

24 posted on 06/07/2012 8:26:10 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: ReformationFan
Here is the chart showing where Rood says they crossed...between the "A" and the "Q".

25 posted on 06/07/2012 8:37:47 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: 21twelve
but probably not if they have evidence of chariots and other heavy items a mile from shore.

Maybe the 'shore' was not where it is now.

26 posted on 06/07/2012 8:46:29 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Amberdawn
It seems unlikely that fallen enemy soldiers would be dragged into deeper water, not to mention the horses.

Again, the water may not have been 'where' it is now.

Of course, they could have left the decaying bodies just laying there. Just like after the Tsunamis in Japan and Indonesia. Decaying bodies pose no health risks. (/s)

27 posted on 06/07/2012 8:49:49 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: muleskinner

But you ignore the fact many remains of many more ancient wrecks continue to exist, even if vaguely.

The only problem here is, having these items doesn’t mean they came from “battle”, or being flooded. Obviously they could be debris from various wrecks or jettison events.


28 posted on 06/07/2012 8:51:25 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: ReformationFan
Video of @ "Exodus Revealed" - Part 2 with Swedish scientist Lennart Moller.
29 posted on 06/07/2012 8:52:46 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: qam1
I would bet these things are the result of shipwrecks or raft-wrecks

I think it would be safe to assume that there might have been a form of 'ferry' even back then.

So now we have TWO alternatives to add to the 'premise' in the article.

Their use of the phrase "irrefutable evidence" reminds me of the global warming scientists claims of "irrefutable evidence" that the temperatures will climb to 2,000,000 degrees, the seas will rise (or fall, can't remember which), and any humans who don't contribute to funding the scientists careers will die from the heat.

30 posted on 06/07/2012 8:54:14 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
The Hoaxodus marches on.

Thanks ReformationFan.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


31 posted on 06/07/2012 8:57:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: JSDude1
I think the more likely explanation is that this IS possible

I think it is "possible" as well.

HOWEVER, I disagree with the author of this article that it is IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE, especially since they refuse to consider any alternative explanations.

I have come up with ONE alternative, another poster has come up with a SECOND alternative.

I see no IRREFUTABLE PROOF that supports any of the THREE.

Do you?

What if they recover actual 'items' belonging to the horses or men, and it turns out they are NOT even Roman ???

32 posted on 06/07/2012 8:58:36 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Red_Devil 232

I might point out that you can dredge the bottom of most rivers and find plenty of CARS. Doesn’t mean the river parted and then closed back over them as they were driving across a ( very muddy and impossible to cross) river bottom.


33 posted on 06/07/2012 9:00:55 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: JSDude1
Why would a land battle near the red (or any branch of this sea) suddenly decide to burry or get rid of the remains of any enemy army anyway?

Maybe because during ten's of thousands of years of WARRING with each other, every time the dead were left to rot, entire populations were wiped out by a PLAGUE.

34 posted on 06/07/2012 9:03:33 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: dead

as silly as 80 million year old dinosaur blood an soft tissue?


35 posted on 06/07/2012 9:03:57 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: muleskinner
3400 years of anything but gold in a warm, shallow salt water environment virtually assures it's complete disintegration.

Ergo, the divers are lying, and what they have found, does not really exist?

Or, are you saying that whatever physical evidence is down there is not from 3400 years ago?

36 posted on 06/07/2012 9:06:23 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yam_Suph

[snip] More conjecturally, it has also been suggested that suph may be related to the Hebrew suphah (”storm”) or soph (”end”), referring to the events of the Reed/Red Sea escape itself. [/snip]


37 posted on 06/07/2012 9:11:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: qam1
I would bet these things are the result of shipwrecks or raft-wrecks where the raft or ship totally disintegrated or evidence of was ignored by the so called “archeologist”

It is possible the first 'raft-builders' were not aware the glue they used was not WATERPROOF.

38 posted on 06/07/2012 9:15:48 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: ReformationFan

Would love to see images and videos.


39 posted on 06/07/2012 9:18:36 PM PDT by The Mayor ("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat" — Ronald Reagan)
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To: dead

“I’m 99% sure that’s silly.”

Well, I’m 99.99% sure it’s real...Bigfoot told me!


40 posted on 06/07/2012 9:21:18 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: dead

It does sound a bit much, but in 1976 I was SCUBA diving not more than 20 miles from my house, when I found a Mastodon tusk in about 30’ of salt water.


41 posted on 06/07/2012 9:22:19 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: dead

I have now looked at the pic at the link. I am not at all convinced that the axles would still be intact. It looks faux to me.


42 posted on 06/07/2012 9:28:16 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: philman_36

I think the most logical place is at The Strait of Tiran. I also do not believe Mt Siani is where tradition says it is Sinai Peninsula. GOD called Israel out of Egypt. I believe it is located in Saudi Arabia. B.A.S.E. or The Bible Archaeology, Search & Exploration has likely located the area of the crossing as well as the actual Mt Siani itself. Although Israel did not know the area to where they were headed Moses was no stranger to it. http://www.baseinstitute.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=52&Itemid=66


43 posted on 06/07/2012 9:40:00 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: SunkenCiv
The Hoaxodus marches on.
Rood also explained giant pillars have been found on both sides of the crossing to mark the event. One was discovered eroded on the Egyptian shore by the late American archaeologist Ron Wyatt. Later, another was located on the Arabian side with “the legible remains of ancient paleo-Hebrew inscriptions.”

He says the words for pharaoh, death, Egypt, King Solomon and the sacred name of God, YHWH, are all present on the second pillar.

Either from a much later period, by about 2,400 years; or a very prophetic inscription, even to the script used.

44 posted on 06/07/2012 9:42:42 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: ReformationFan
I've snorkeled both at Nuweiba and further South at Sharm el-Sheikh.

What is striking is the lack of reefs at Nuweiba vs. other parts of the Sinai. Crossing would be extremely difficult if not impossible over those reefs, but at Nuweiba it seems possible because of the sandy bottom.

I heard this theory a couple of years ago and I find it extremely interesting.

45 posted on 06/07/2012 9:46:29 PM PDT by what's up
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46 posted on 06/07/2012 9:47:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Wyatt was a notorious liar.


47 posted on 06/07/2012 9:50:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ApplegateRanch; SunkenCiv
Either from a much later period, by about 2,400 years

IDIOT! I teach me arithmatic and teach me arithmaetic, and still I get arithmetic wrong! 3400-2000=1400BC; 1400BC - 1000BC = 400 years.

Never mix BP with BC, or you get BS when you subtract or add.

48 posted on 06/07/2012 9:54:57 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
The oldest shipsreck in the Mediterranean is from about the same time - 1400 B.C. the Late Bronze Age. All that survived were ceramic jars, large copper ingots, gold amulets, some gold rings (but not The One Ring) and a few swords. The wood was long gone. The wreck was quite deep as the divers could only work 20 minutes at a time.

This guy from England is finding 3400 year old chariot wheels in a few feet of water. Come on now.

49 posted on 06/07/2012 10:03:08 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: the OlLine Rebel
The oldest shipwreck in the Mediterranean is from about the same time - 1400 B.C. the Late Bronze Age. All that survived were ceramic jars, large copper ingots, gold amulets, some gold rings (but not The One Ring) and a few swords. The wood was long gone. The wreck was quite deep as the divers could only work 20 minutes at a time.

This guy from England is finding 3400 year old chariot wheels in a few feet of water. Come on now.

50 posted on 06/07/2012 10:03:37 PM PDT by muleskinner
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