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Chris Rock Takes Jab At ‘Romney’s Crew’: Mormons Believed Black People Were The Devil
Mediaite.com ^ | June 8, 2012 | Meenal Vamburkar

Posted on 06/09/2012 2:46:59 PM PDT by Colofornian

Chris Rock sat down with Jimmy Fallon on Thursday and, after brief acknowledgment of the impending zombie apocalypse, talked politics. Having already offered up his thoughts on our “zebra president,” Rock took this opportunity to discuss Mitt Romney and his religion.

SNIP

Asked how he feels about what’s going on in the world (particularly regarding Romney and President Obama), Rock replied, “What’s going on? Okay, I just heard this the other day. The Mormons, Mitt Romney’s crew, they believed black people were the devil until 1978. I’m not making this up. Right, right, right?”

Fallon and Rock joked abut having to look up Mormons’ “black policies” on “Blackipedia...”

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From the article: Asked how he feels about what’s going on in the world (particularly regarding Romney and President Obama), Rock replied, “What’s going on? Okay, I just heard this the other day. The Mormons, Mitt Romney’s crew, they believed black people were the devil until 1978. I’m not making this up. Right, right, right?”

1978 was when Mormons began changing racist policies -- but couldn't alter their "scriptures" on skin color-as-a-curse...tho they did alter one Book of Mormon verse in 1981 from "white and delightsome" to "pure and delightsome" (as if Joe Smith made some "error" there in 1830!

In his "Faith in America" speech on Dec. 6, 2007, he [Mitt Romney] said, "I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it. My faith is the faith of my fathers – I will be true to them and to my beliefs."
Source: Mitt Romney Religion

So, key linkage #1 -- we know Mitt Romney stands by what his leaders -- his "fathers of the faith" have said.

What have they said kinda close to what Chris Rock was intimating?

Quote #1, from 3rd 'prophet' John Taylor, who followed Brigham Young: Why is it, in fact, that we should have a devil? Why did not the Lord kill him long ago? Because he could not do without him. He needed the devil and a great many of those who do his bidding just to keep men straight, that we may learn to place our dependence upon God, and trust in Him, and to observe his laws and keep his commandments. When he destroyed the inhabitants of the ante-diluvian world, he suffered a descendant of Cain to come through the flood in order that he might be properly represented upon the earth."
NOTE: Mormon leaders taught that blacks had the "mark of Cain" as a curse. Brigham Young taught it. 'Prophet' Joseph Fielding Smith taught it. 11th 'prophet' Harold B. Lee taught it. Many Lds 'apostles' taught it.

Quote #2, from 10th 'prophet' Joseph Fielding Smith: NO NEUTRALS IN HEAVEN. There were no neutrals in the war in heaven. All took sides either with Christ or with Satan. Every man had his agency there, and men receive rewards here based upon their actions there, just as they will receive rewards hereafter for deeds done in the body. The Negro, evidently, is receiving the reward he merits" (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:61)

Quote #3, from Lds rep John Lund: Question: Were Negroes neutral in the great war in heaven (Rev. 12:7) and therfore denied the Priesthood during morality; Answer: No. There were no neutrals in the war in heaven. An individual was either on the side of Christ or the side of Lucifer...The Negroes were not neutral; they were sufficiently valient to be promised the Priesthood, if worthy, after their mortal existence" (John Lewis Lund, The Church and the Negro, 1967, p. 103)

1 posted on 06/09/2012 2:47:22 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

This won’t go far, I thought at one time the old media would pound this at Romney, but I think the libs who actually run the left realize they want to keep the black race cult way, far away from the center of the election.


2 posted on 06/09/2012 2:49:43 PM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: junta
This won’t go far, I thought at one time the old media would pound this at Romney, but I think the libs who actually run the left realize they want to keep the black race cult way, far away from the center of the election.

Well, no single comment usually "goes far"...

(It's more "death by 1,000 cuts")

And pertinent with more voters representing other races -- Hispanics and mixed-race individuals, for example.

3 posted on 06/09/2012 2:54:00 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Colofornian

Who cares what Chris Rock has to say - I don’t


4 posted on 06/09/2012 2:54:35 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Colofornian

HA HA HA HA!


5 posted on 06/09/2012 2:55:06 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Colofornian

eh, not sure the race card really matters in this race. The two groups most effected by it are 1. blacks and 2. guilty whites who are hypersensitive to racism.

well over 90% of blacks are going to vote for Obama regardless of if he showed up on America’s Got Talent and sang “mammy”, and I’d say the number is probably pretty close to that for the type of white people who are constantly worried about racial offensiveness. Just dont see this being a big issue to switch people who aren’t inclined to vote for obama overwhelmingly already.


6 posted on 06/09/2012 2:56:24 PM PDT by SoCalTransplant (Honey badger's level of concern is negligible.)
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To: Perdogg

Not a single Republican.


7 posted on 06/09/2012 2:57:58 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: SoCalTransplant
well over 90% of blacks are going to vote for Obama regardless of if he showed up on America’s Got Talent and sang “mammy”

90% of blacks vote for the Rat, no matter who it is.

8 posted on 06/09/2012 2:58:08 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SoCalTransplant
not sure the race card really matters in this race. The two groups most effected by it are 1. blacks and 2. guilty whites who are hypersensitive to racism.

Obama had the younger voters in '08. It'll continue to matter to voters 18 to about mid-to-late 30s -- (those who were in high school when multi-culturalism had been fully implemented in many/most high schools).

9 posted on 06/09/2012 3:01:43 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Colofornian

you are a fool and so are the rest of the illiterates that do not know the english language.

“white and delightsome”

one hundred years ago the word “white” was an adjective meaning unblemished or pure and also pertaining to goodness. It wasn’t just a color back then.


10 posted on 06/09/2012 3:02:20 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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the exposure begins


11 posted on 06/09/2012 3:03:00 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: dfwgator

My favorite example...Marion Berry. Got caught smoking crack with a hooker. Then he gets re-elected.


12 posted on 06/09/2012 3:05:28 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Colofornian
"Chris Rock Takes Jab At ‘Romney’s Crew’: Mormons Believed Black People Were The Devil"

Hell, this is what Louis Farrakhan and Malik Zulu Shabazz said about white people last month. The response from Obama and crew... chirp... chirp... chirp...

13 posted on 06/09/2012 3:07:52 PM PDT by Desron13
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To: mamelukesabre

YI’m sure all those race hustlers and the MSM/Dem party care loads about 19th century English usage and definition. They’ll jump right out and clarify it for Mitt, I’m sure.


14 posted on 06/09/2012 3:10:40 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: junta

He also said there would never be a black President —how nice that we now have one.

Why does he constantly feel he needs to affirm his black hip-hop credentials? Because he came from an ULTRA steady, middle-class background.

His ONLY claim on “being real” (from a ‘yute perspective) is that he IS from Bed-Stuy —where do you think he cooked up the material for the movie, “CB4”...?

First thing that happened to this softy when he visited his hood? He got ROBBED —literally, I mean.

This latest is just more, “look, I really AM black...!”


15 posted on 06/09/2012 3:11:01 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Colofornian
I think it was 1976, I was in Salt Lake during a General Conference visiting relatives.
16 posted on 06/09/2012 3:11:06 PM PDT by Little Bill (Sorry)
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To: EEGator

Kwame Kilpatrick is another good one.


17 posted on 06/09/2012 3:12:02 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: Colofornian
Chris Rock is an unworthy racist fool. He should just leave the country. His raw hatred and racism taint he very air we breath and represent an existential threat the the unity of Americans of all races and colors.

It makes the task of integrating all people as a single American people far more difficult when you have socialist agents sowing the seeds of racial hatred and discontent. Rock, whether or not he's too stupid to realize it, is a foul tool, a useful idiot of the left.

18 posted on 06/09/2012 3:13:39 PM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: netmilsmom

Forgot about that one...good call.


19 posted on 06/09/2012 3:16:41 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Colofornian
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20 posted on 06/09/2012 3:19:21 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin will DEFEAT the Obama-Romney Socialist Gay-Marriage Axis of Evil)
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To: mamelukesabre; All
you are a fool and so are the rest of the illiterates that do not know the english language. “white and delightsome” one hundred years ago the word “white” was an adjective meaning unblemished or pure and also pertaining to goodness. It wasn’t just a color back then.

You're making yourself look quite bad...after I respond, I hope you won't just slink away and not respond...

First of all, the Book of Mormon reference is from 2 Nephi 30:6. Joseph Smith said these words "white and delightsome" -- were what he "translated" from the unheard language of "Reformed Egyptian" and that they were supposedly originally written by one of the "Nephi" Book of Mormon "prophets" between 559 and 545 B.C.

So, even from the Mormon point of view, who cares what the word "white" meant "100 years ago?"

The Book of Mormon was written 182 years ago -- and 2 Nephi 30:6 purports to be a direct "translation" supposedly written almost 2,600 years ago! Besides, re: the Mormon church changing the word -- It's not like the Mormon church has the supposed gold plates to go back and look to interpret a word differently! (Otherwise, they'd be making even more modern edits left & right, which they haven't been doing lately)

#2 Let's look at a similar phrase in the Book of Mormon, "white, and exceeding fair and delightsome" -- as found in 2 Nephi 5:21:

"And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceeding fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them." (2 Nephi 5:21)

We see quite clearly from exactly the same book -- 2 Nephi -- that the supposed "original" author tied together "white, and exceeding fair and delightsome" within the very same sentence as "did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them."

Now, Mamelukesabre...are you now going to try to convince us that 2 Nephi 5:21 references something other than a "skin of blackness" -- and that it means some less-literal impurity or badness???

21 posted on 06/09/2012 3:20:29 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: EEGator
Chris Rock on Marion Barry;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTMif8cGlcE

22 posted on 06/09/2012 3:21:20 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Colofornian

Romney has absolutely no chance at getting more than a tiny, tiny fraction of the ‘black vote’. Comedian Chris Rock slamming Romney over his religions offensive position on blacks during Rock’s appearance (to plug his new movie) on a low-rated late night TV talk show is hardly going to sway the electorate. I’m sure Romney will lose some voters based on his Mormon religion but they’ll be offset by voters far more concerned about stopping America from imploding under Obama and the Democrats than what rubbish a Mormon ‘prophet’ stated about black people a hundred years ago. I believe Mormonism is loopy but unless Romney starts proselytizing for his religion, I can overlook it and vote for him in order to get rid of Obama, while we still can.


24 posted on 06/09/2012 3:22:49 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: mamelukesabre; Tennessee Nana; All
“white and delightsome”

The Mormon church has only changed one Mormon "scriptural" verse on race since its 1978 "change."

No other of its racist verses have been altered or repudiated. They still stand "on the books" as "sacred" representations of the view of the Mormon gods. To review these rather disturbing Mormon "scriptures," click on these three links:
* Mormon Racism as doctrine, not merely folklore or tradition
* "Renounce and Repudiate": Will Republicans Hold Romney to Obama Standard?
* Pro-Rick Santorum pastor slams Mitt Romney’s religion [post #55 by Tennessee Nana...a post, btw, where TN challenges a Mormon about these verses -- but the Mormon doesn't respond]

25 posted on 06/09/2012 3:24:39 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Colofornian

Who is Chris Rock?


26 posted on 06/09/2012 3:25:42 PM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
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Well ... Chris Rock ABSOLUTELY nailed that one !


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27 posted on 06/09/2012 3:26:02 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin will DEFEAT the Obama-Romney Socialist Gay-Marriage Axis of Evil)
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To: Colofornian

Chris Rock is a crack head.


28 posted on 06/09/2012 3:26:02 PM PDT by albie
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To: Jim Scott
Romney has absolutely no chance at getting more than a tiny, tiny fraction of the ‘black vote’. Comedian Chris Rock slamming Romney over his religions offensive position on blacks during Rock’s appearance (to plug his new movie) on a low-rated late night TV talk show is hardly going to sway the electorate.

Correct and correct.
29 posted on 06/09/2012 3:27:23 PM PDT by DJlaysitup
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To: Colofornian
The Mormons, Mitt Romney’s crew, they believed black people were the devil until 1978. I’m not making this up. Right, right, right?”

Well...





"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)





Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

 

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

 

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

 



 

30 posted on 06/09/2012 3:27:39 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian
The Mormons, Mitt Romney’s crew, they believed black people were the devil until 1978. I’m not making this up. Right, right, right?”

Fastforward...


Official Declaration—2

 

To Whom It May Concern:

On 30 September 1978, at the 148th Semiannual General Conference of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the following was presented by President N. Eldon Tanner, First Counselor in the First Presidency of the Church:

In early June of this year, the First Presidency announced that a revelation had been received by President Spencer W. Kimball extending priesthood and temple blessings to all worthy male members of the Church. President Kimball has asked that I advise the conference that after he had received this revelation, which came to him after extended meditation and prayer in the sacred rooms of the holy temple, he presented it to his counselors, who accepted it and approved it. It was then presented to the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, who unanimously approved it, and was subsequently presented to all other General Authorities, who likewise approved it unanimously.

President Kimball has asked that I now read this letter:

June 8, 1978
To all general and local priesthood officers of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints throughout the world:
Dear Brethren:

As we have witnessed the expansion of the work of the Lord over the earth, we have been grateful that people of many nations have responded to the message of the restored gospel, and have joined the Church in ever-increasing numbers. This, in turn, has inspired us with a desire to extend to every worthy member of the Church all of the privileges and blessings which the gospel affords.

Aware of the promises made by the prophets and presidents of the Church who have preceded us that at some time, in God’s eternal plan, all of our brethren who are worthy may receive the priesthood, and witnessing the faithfulness of those from whom the priesthood has been withheld, we have pleaded long and earnestly in behalf of these, our faithful brethren, spending many hours in the Upper Room of the Temple supplicating the Lord for divine guidance.

He has heard our prayers, and by revelation has confirmed that the long-promised day has come when every faithful, worthy man in the Church may receive the holy priesthood, with power to exercise its divine authority, and enjoy with his loved ones every blessing that flows therefrom, including the blessings of the temple. Accordingly, all worthy male members of the Church may be ordained to the priesthood without regard for race or color. Priesthood leaders are instructed to follow the policy of carefully interviewing all candidates for ordination to either the Aaronic or the Melchizedek Priesthood to insure that they meet the established standards for worthiness.

We declare with soberness that the Lord has now made known his will for the blessing of all his children throughout the earth who will hearken to the voice of his authorized servants, and prepare themselves to receive every blessing of the gospel.

Sincerely yours,
Spencer W. Kimball
N. Eldon Tanner
Marion G. Romney
The First Presidency

Recognizing Spencer W. Kimball as the prophet, seer, and revelator, and president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, it is proposed that we as a constituent assembly accept this revelation as the word and will of the Lord. All in favor please signify by raising your right hand. Any opposed by the same sign.

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous in the affirmative.

Salt Lake City, Utah, September 30, 1978.

31 posted on 06/09/2012 3:28:36 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: albie

Just as long as you don’t call hima cracker head.


32 posted on 06/09/2012 3:29:27 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: junta
This won’t go far...

We sure HOPE you are right!!!



33 posted on 06/09/2012 3:30:03 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

I thought there were only 9 Supreme Court justices, what’s up?


35 posted on 06/09/2012 3:33:38 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: mamelukesabre
you are a fool and so are the rest of the illiterates that do not know the english language.

Now that was unkind.

SURELY you did not INTEND to sound like a ARROGANT Mormon that assumes GENTILES have no clue how to GOOGLE® or did you?

http://www.mrm.org/white-and-delightsome

36 posted on 06/09/2012 3:34:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian

Congratulations on aligning yourself with that brilliant political genius racist Chris Rock.

Your constant attacks on Romney (a RINO, I know) are getting tiresome.


37 posted on 06/09/2012 3:35:32 PM PDT by panaxanax (Voting 'Third Party' will ensure a Communist-Marxist-Socialist dominated Supreme Court!)
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To: Revolting cat!

Those are the Twelve Yes Men


38 posted on 06/09/2012 3:38:11 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: panaxanax
Congratulations on aligning yourself with that brilliant political genius racist Chris Rock.

(Hey, even a 100% inoperative, totally dysfunctional clock agrees with "reality" twice-per-day)

Your constant attacks on Romney (a RINO, I know) are getting tiresome.

Supposed "conservatives" 'high-fiving' of RINOism is quite irksome...

39 posted on 06/09/2012 3:40:01 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: panaxanax
Congratulations on aligning yourself with that brilliant political genius racist Chris Rock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXLby6zDVG8

40 posted on 06/09/2012 3:43:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Jim Scott
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Jim ... first of all, you're right about Mittens and the Black vote ....it AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN ...



But let me propose this "nutty tin-foil" theory ...



Let's just say you're Axelrod and Obama ...

Just breathe easy, it's JUST a GAME here ...

Ask yourself ... What's the SMART GENIUS WAY to beat the GOP in 2012 ?

Nominate Mitten Romney ...



WHY ?


Who are the "Premier Shock Political Infantry" of the GOP in 2012 ?

George Bush E-RINO bluebloods ?

Nope !



Jim .. You KNOW the answer ... it's the Evangelical Christian Conservatives ...

You know ... Rev. Jerry Falwell and Dr. James Dobson's elite political shock troops ...



So WHAT HAPPENS when these ...

"Saved by Christ's Blood at Calvary and the Power of His Ressurrection and HIS sitting at the LORD's throne in Glory, King of Kings and Lord of Lords" ...

(that was said in complete reverence) ...

get BRUTALLY PROPAGANDIZED 24/7 from ABC-CBS-NBC-NPR-ESPN-CNN ...

about ...

1) Mitt Romney, the "Celestial God-Child"

2) The Planet Kolob (in the Constellation Cancer, doncha know)

3) The Mormon FANTASY about the LOST Israelite Cities built in America about 725 AD ...

4) Multiple Wives ...

5) Secret Ceremonial Underwear ...

6) TBD (Sixty Minutes production crew already filming it)

7) TBD (Sixty Minutes production crew already filming it)

8) TBD (Sixty Minutes production crew already filming it)

9) TBD (Sixty Minutes production crew already filming it)




Well Jim ... all those Rev. Jerry Falwell and Dr. James Dobson's Christian elite political shock troops ...


will "run for the hills" ...

and REFUSE to work Romney's campaign ...

and REFUSE to vote for Romney ...



You KNOW it's the truth ...



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41 posted on 06/09/2012 3:44:00 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin will DEFEAT the Obama-Romney Socialist Gay-Marriage Axis of Evil)
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To: panaxanax
Your constant attacks on Romney (a RINO, I know) are getting tiresome.

Stay offa FR and rest up.

You'll need your strength after the conventions are over.

42 posted on 06/09/2012 3:44:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: junta

They really want to go after Romney for his Mormon faith and their beliefs back in the 1800’s? Then Obama attending Trinity United Church over 20 years should be given equal time, including full exposure of James Cone and Black Liberation Theology.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=james+cone+black+liberation+theology&mid=3879BD17E41B4E20B0D73879BD17E41B4E20B0D7&view=detail&FORM=VIRE3


43 posted on 06/09/2012 3:46:27 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: Colofornian

That’s right fhead.....0bama,Holder,Sharpton.....all the devil and it’s works on this country.....Yep you got it...


44 posted on 06/09/2012 3:46:56 PM PDT by geege
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To: Perdogg
Chris Rock might want to ask democrats what the heck happened to their entitlement mentality when this is going on with all those entitlement $$$:

Only 47 percent of black males graduate from high school, what's happening?

45 posted on 06/09/2012 3:48:45 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: Hotlanta Mike
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Yours is a "great idea" ...

and (sadly) a complete POLITICAL FANTASY in America in 2012 ...



Yep ... another "sad but true" tragedy ...


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46 posted on 06/09/2012 3:49:55 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin will DEFEAT the Obama-Romney Socialist Gay-Marriage Axis of Evil)
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To: All
From the article: Okay, I just heard this the other day.

In light of the above, I'm not exactly sure why FREEPERS feel the necessity to shoot the messenger (most aim @ Chris Rock; a few @ me)...a few @ even taken aim @ Rock's race.

Listen, this doesn't come from "deep inside" Chris Rock.

He said it himself: "I just heard this the other day."

He's heard something; he's passing it on. If it's off-base, should be fairly easy to dismiss, right?

The problem is ... I included quotes in post #1 where indeed Lds "prophets" have linked the mark of Cain with God supposedly 'needing' the devil....and there's all kinds of quotes of Mormon leaders saying a skin curse goes back to what occurred in some pre-existence prior to be born that involved the devil.

The problem here -- Romney-wise -- is that Romney believes in this pre-existence stuff.
He believes in a pre-existent war in heaven.
He believes spirits were there who eventually became embodied on earth (including himself).
So the Q is: Does he believe the "faith of his fathers" who taught that a "neutrality" -- failing to oppose Lucifer in the pre-existence -- resulted in a skin curse?

Ah, hey. I understand. Can't defend whacky Mormonism...so 'tis easier to attack Chris Rock and myself. Continue on. I understand.

47 posted on 06/09/2012 3:54:53 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: mamelukesabre

one hundred years ago the word “white” was an adjective meaning unblemished or pure and also pertaining to goodness. It wasn’t just a color back then


It is nice to see someone else understands this FACT about language in context with the era in which it was written. This is the kind of distortion/contortion I would expect from Sharpton and his crowd, but what you wrote is the absolute truth. I read classical literature and I am often amused at how impolite the politically correct and hypersensitive would find the words today.

I am not Mormon and won’t defend that faith. There are plenty of “strange” things about mormonism and there is no denying that their faith followed the cultural history of America in which Joseph Smith lived. Based on my own study, I believe many of the negative things attributed to Smith were probably true and the “tablets” were a fraud.

There is historical context (for those interested) for the attack on a candidates faith with the election for JFK Jr. where Catholicism was controversial - i.e. - some Americans suggested the Pope would run the White House. It seems strange today, but to many evangelicals in the 60’s the fears of Catholicism were comparable to the fears of Mormonism today.

Romney’s faith will probably cost him a point or two just as it did for JFK. I grew up in the Bible Belt and I am certain that many evangelicals won’t vote for a Mormon just like many would still not vote for a Catholic. I am in no way stating that those two faiths are the same, but the controversy is the same. While strange to some, it is that important to a few. However, I doubt it will be the deciding factor in an election where most people are deeply concerned about the economy, jobs, and the size/scope/debt of government.


48 posted on 06/09/2012 3:55:49 PM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids will pay for it!)
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To: All
In post #1, I gave this quote of John Taylor's -- but not the attribution (Oct. 29, 1882, Journal of Discourses, 23:336)...

But note again how this Mormon 'prophet' claimed that God "could not do without" the devil...and that God "needed" the devil...sounds to me only the devil would "inspire" such language!

Quote #1, from 3rd 'prophet' John Taylor, who followed Brigham Young: Why is it, in fact, that we should have a devil? Why did not the Lord kill him long ago? Because he could not do without him. He needed the devil and a great many of those who do his bidding just to keep men straight, that we may learn to place our dependence upon God, and trust in Him, and to observe his laws and keep his commandments. When he destroyed the inhabitants of the ante-diluvian world, he suffered a descendant of Cain to come through the flood in order that he might be properly represented upon the earth."

49 posted on 06/09/2012 4:01:59 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Colofornian

I can’t defend Mormonism and I share your views on the religion. However, I believe he was correct in the historical context of those words in the era during which it was written. I don’t believe the Mormon church has been all that inclusive during it’s history, but it is a stretch to attribute it to these words that were commonly used in a different context back then. It’s the same as the word “gay”.

There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of Mormonism without making the meanings of words a controversy to further an agenda that has little to do with contextual language study. Regardless, it is unlikely this controversy will decide the election. I believed the Mormon factor might decide the race in the South, but the Obama administration has been such a trainwreck that it should not matter now. 8 years ago might have been a different story.

Blacks will overwhelmingly vote for the rat candidate even if it were Margaret Sanger. That is another interesting topic for another day.


50 posted on 06/09/2012 4:09:04 PM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids will pay for it!)
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