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Christians Pay Consequences for Opposing Same-Sex 'Marriage'
Zenit ^ | JUNE 8, 2012 | Father John Flynn, LC

Posted on 06/10/2012 2:51:07 PM PDT by markomalley

Christians are finding it increasingly difficult to practice their faith in the public sphere, as a number of recent cases demonstrate.

In New Mexico the Court of Appeals ruled that the refusal by a photo studio to photograph a same-sex couple is a breach of the state’s Human Rights Act, the Albuquerque Journal reported, June 5.

In 2006 Vanessa Willock asked Elaine Huguenin of Elane Photography if she would take pictures of a “same-gender ceremony.” She was told the studio only handled “traditional weddings.”

The studio also lost previous rulings by the New Mexico Human Rights Commission in 2008 and by District Judge Alan Malott in 2009.

The studio argued that their refusal to photograph a same-sex ceremony was not discrimination, but was motivated by the religious and moral beliefs of the owners.

The courts, however, ruled that as a business that provides services to the public it cannot refuse to serve on the basis of not only race, religion, color, and nationality, but also sex or sexual orientation, or gender identity.

The issue of Christians and same-sex unions is also a hot topic in England, as the government considers whether or not to legalize same-sex marriage. Christians are facing difficulties in defending their view, as the decidedly non-religious Economist magazine pointed out in its June 2 print edition.

Diversity

In March, it explained, a lobby group, Christian Concern, booked rooms for its conference at the Law Society. Their booking was cancelled on May 11 due to their position on same-sex marriage. They then booked at the Queen Elizabeth Conference Center, and once more, it was later cancelled as: “The event would conflict with our policy on diversity.”

Most Christian churches, Jews and almost all Muslims do believe that sex belongs inside heterosexual marriage only, the Economist pointed out. “Does diversity cover that?,” it asked.

Catholic schools in Wales ran into trouble when they were informed they could be breaking the law by inviting their students to sign a petition protesting the government’s proposal to legalize same-sex marriage, the Telegraph newspaper reported May 9.

Leighton Andrews, the Welsh Assembly Government minister for education and skill, said that the call to oppose a change in the law could constitute a “political” act, which is prohibited by the 1996 Education Act.

He not only directed schools in Wales to give pupils a “balanced” view on the same-sex marriage issue but he also ordered that they must tell pupils about his intervention.

“Our position remains that this is a religious view not a political view,” Maeve McCormack, policy manger for the Catholic Education Service, told the Telegraph.

Free speech on the issue of homosexuality also suffered a blow when in England Adrian Smith lost his appeal against a 2011 decision by his employer to demote him due to comments he posted on his Facebook page.

In his own time he posted his criticism about the government’s plans to allow same-sex marriages in churches. The posting, visible only to his friends on Facebook, led the Trafford Housing Trust to demote him from his £35,000 a year managerial post to a more junior £21,000 position, the Telegraph newspaper reported, last October 24.

Subsequently, on March 21, the Christian Institute reported that District Judge Charles Khan, at Manchester County Court, ruled that Smith could not use human rights arguments in his legal case against his employer.

He plans to continue his case, which could be heard sometime in the coming months, according to the Christian Institute.

Double rooms

The decision came shortly after another appeal loss, by the Christian owners of a Cornish hotel who sought to reverse a 2011 decision regarding their policy of restricting double rooms to married couples.

Peter and Hazelmary Bull took their case to the Court of Appeal, following the court order to pay damages in January 2011 to civil partners Steven Preddy and Martyn Hall, but they lost the case, the BBC reported February 10.

Later, on March 12, the BBC reported that the couple was considering an appeal to the Supreme Court.

“In a country where Christians can be sacked for manifesting their faith, are vilified by State bodies, are in fear of reprisal or even arrest for expressing their views on sexual ethics, something is very wrong,” warned Lord Carey, a former Archbishop of Canterbury, recently.

His warning was contained in a submission to the European Court of Human Rights regarding a case to be heard in September, the Telegraph newspaper reported April 13.

The hearing encompasses a number of cases, including a counselor sacked for saying that he was not be comfortable in giving sex therapy to homosexual couples, and a Christian registrar, who did not want to conduct civil partnership ceremonies.

Courts in Britain, Lord Carey said, have “consistently applied equality law to discriminate against Christians.” A situation certainly not limited to Britain and one that is rapidly spreading.


TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; religiousliberty; religiouspersecution

1 posted on 06/10/2012 2:51:16 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

“In 2006 Vanessa Willock asked Elaine Huguenin of Elane Photography if she would take pictures of a “same-gender ceremony.” She was told the studio only handled “traditional weddings.””

Good to see that some Good Christians stand-up for what they believe and refuse service to the Sodomites.


2 posted on 06/10/2012 3:05:52 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: markomalley

I’m sure “do as thou wilt” libertarians will be right on this denial of individual freedom./s/


3 posted on 06/10/2012 3:07:19 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: markomalley
“In March, it explained, a lobby group, Christian Concern, booked rooms for its conference at the Law Society. Their booking was cancelled on May 11 due to their position on same-sex marriage.”

A clear example of discrimination with Sodomite Agenda Sycophants refusing service to Christians.

4 posted on 06/10/2012 3:11:48 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: markomalley

Photograph them on junk film so it never turns out right and gleefully refund their money ! then get a sign and put it in your window that reads christian friendly or just take a nice glossy poeter size picture of a cross and put that in the window Christians know what a cross is for and what it symbolizes ...


5 posted on 06/10/2012 3:13:43 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Any man may make a mistake ; none but a fool will persist in it . { Latin proverb })
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To: markomalley

Since sodomite “marriage” is illegal in NM, how can anyone be pressed into photographing an illegal activity?


6 posted on 06/10/2012 3:27:09 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: Uncle Slayton

Smarter to say you’ll do it, show up with outdated film, or the wrong ASA, take photos and “forget” to take the lenscap off...sabotage the event passively, and teach them not to set you up for a crappy lawsuit.


7 posted on 06/10/2012 3:30:51 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: markomalley
I think they had better be nice to us "bigots". This is what happened the last time the bigots got kicked out of town: explosion2a
8 posted on 06/10/2012 3:32:49 PM PDT by TheRobb7 (Remember, JimRob called a truce....not a surrender.)
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To: kabumpo
It is utterly wrong to comply, even with the intent to sabotage the photos. Compliance is what the sodomites are after.

Come on folks, get with the program.

9 posted on 06/10/2012 3:33:18 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: markomalley
Christians Pay Consequences for Opposing Same-Sex 'Marriage'

The consequences for embracing same sex marriage are far worse.

10 posted on 06/10/2012 3:40:06 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: kabumpo

“Smarter to say you’ll do it, show up with outdated film, or the wrong ASA, take photos and “forget” to take the lenscap off...sabotage the event passively...”

Not a bad idea.

They could maybe even get Good Christians to protest the location where the Sodomite Marriage and later on protest the house where the Sodomite Lesbians shack-up.

As for the pictures, instead of sending them the real pictures of the “wedding,” send them pictures of a real wedding and a few Bible verses.

Take the real pictures of the Sodomite Lesbian wedding and post them in all around the town with big bold letters reading “Sodomites!”


11 posted on 06/10/2012 3:41:10 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: markomalley

I’m deeply worried about the way we are headed on this issue and the reason is the youth. Hollywood and the public schools have created a young population that does not have traditional believes about marriage. Polls bear that out. As those folks age and my generation ages out (so to speak) more and more of the country will look like Massachusetts. We have to find a way to block Hollywood and the public schools hold on so many of the young before it is too late.


12 posted on 06/10/2012 4:42:40 PM PDT by Woodsman27
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To: markomalley

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Revelations 6:9-11

It has been foretold that it will get much worse than losing a job, or being scorned by neighbors.


13 posted on 06/10/2012 6:35:16 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: markomalley

Many Christians and a few FReepers celebrated the infringement of private property rights that laid the foundation for these actions. The smoking bans took away a business’ right of association. Now these folks can choke on governmental dictating to them which customers they must cater too....

Private property rights were stolen with much fanfare....now the results are starting to become evident.


14 posted on 06/10/2012 6:35:16 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: markomalley

John 15:18-24 (NLT):
18 “If the world hates you, remember that it hated me first. 19 The world would love you as one of its own if you belonged to it, but you are no longer part of the world. I chose you to come out of the world, so it hates you. 20 Do you remember what I told you? ‘A slave is not greater than the master.’ Since they persecuted me, naturally they will persecute you. And if they had listened to me, they would listen to you. 21 They will do all this to you because of me, for they have rejected the one who sent me. 22 They would not be guilty if I had not come and spoken to them. But now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 Anyone who hates me also hates my Father. 24 If I hadn’t done such miraculous signs among them that no one else could do, they would not be guilty. But as it is, they have seen everything I did, yet they still hate me and my Father.


15 posted on 06/10/2012 7:26:45 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Hope springs eternal - maybe the Bucs will break .500 this year)
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To: Woodsman27

To confort, as those “youth” age out themselves, they too, will mellow out and go CONSERVATIVE.


16 posted on 06/11/2012 4:12:13 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: markomalley

Plus also when folks go out into the REAL world they become “realists”.


17 posted on 06/11/2012 4:14:21 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: markomalley

Remember WI!

Taking back America has started!


18 posted on 06/11/2012 4:15:24 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: markomalley
Christians are facing difficulties in defending their view

Yep. If people don't believe what the Bible says, then it's hard to convince them to adhere to it, isn't it?

That's why homosexuals will win this battle--I'm convinced of it.

The good news, though, is that I've read the end of the Book, and I know who wins the war.

19 posted on 06/11/2012 5:10:38 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater

The Christians WILL WIN NOT ONLY the WAR, but in time, the battles.


20 posted on 06/11/2012 5:12:18 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

In my admittedly limited understanding of Revelation, we’ll have to lose a LOT of such battles to lead to Christ’s return and our ultimate victory.

Things are going to get much worse before they get better forever.


21 posted on 06/11/2012 5:18:40 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: GenXteacher

It has been foretold that it will get much worse than losing a job, or being scorned by neighbors.


Amen to that.


22 posted on 06/11/2012 5:42:56 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Future Snake Eater

What I sense though is that, in the battles, more folks will come to believe, so in those losses, we will still win, just saying.


23 posted on 06/11/2012 6:05:32 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

A good point, and I do hope you’re right.


24 posted on 06/11/2012 6:33:41 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Woodsman27

It will take civil disobedience and secession.


25 posted on 06/11/2012 5:45:02 PM PDT by Mmmike
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26 posted on 06/11/2012 5:49:13 PM PDT by narses
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To: markomalley

queers lived in a closet because there was life there.

They will learn again the old lesson...... to stay alive they must return to the closet.


27 posted on 06/11/2012 5:57:26 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: SaraJohnson

we are. but your condescending sarcasm is noted.


28 posted on 06/11/2012 6:01:47 PM PDT by Libertarian4Bush (if you voted for obama, I have no respect for you. you're either a loser or a sucker. sorry!)
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To: P-Marlowe; sickoflibs

PM and SOL,

This is another example, as p-marlowe predicted, of the state infringing on religion. One wouldn’t think that clear religious beliefs would be a topic within a court room, but they are.

A private business that deals with the public is still a private business. The courts ruled that the boy scouts, a private club, does not have to violate its principles, but that is an older case.

These independent American citizens were told they had to violate change their practices to accomodate that which they found immoral. This is not turning down a gay for a hamburger at Wendy’s, for the gayness of the purchaser is not an issue in a hamburger joint.

To prepare a photo session, however, is a business that requires preparation, planning, and intentionality to best frame the event.

It would be no different than requiring a conservative Jewish photographer to cover Akmandinejab’s visit to mosques in America. That should be his choice, not a dictate ordered by a court.


29 posted on 06/11/2012 6:20:48 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.

Amen! He told us to expect this.


31 posted on 06/11/2012 7:17:44 PM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: Woodsman27

That’s the plan. One thing about the devil, he’s not lazy. God be with us.


32 posted on 06/11/2012 7:22:57 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: xzins; P-Marlowe
RE :”This is another example, as p-marlowe predicted, of the state infringing on religion. One wouldn’t think that clear religious beliefs would be a topic within a court room, but they are.

Over the past about 1/2 decade or so libs have convinced too many Americans that ‘gay’ (the new term is LGBT) is equivalent to a ‘race’. This is a dramatic shift from when Clinton tried to push homosexuality on the military in 1993 and hit a brick wall. Much of their success was with kids who have now grown. They never saw aids like we did.

The ‘gay is a race’ argument seems seriously flawed to me but now many states treat ‘orientation’ in it's non-discrimination law as if it is sex or race.

Treating ‘gays’ like a discriminated race is like equating apples and oranges because gays are being defined by their ‘feelings’(desires) not their physical or visual appearance and feelings cant be measured, so they make their actions, for example homosexual sodomy, a new right.

33 posted on 06/11/2012 9:48:13 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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A big part of the problem is that with so many homosexual friendly shows on television, the public thinks that about 25% of the population is homosexual when the truth is the percentage is less than 2%.


34 posted on 06/12/2012 5:04:25 AM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: markomalley

Sorry I’m late to the game in responding to this one but I wanted to point out that a Christian woman in Iowa is bei g sued by a lesbian couple for refusing to make their “wedding” cake. I’ll try to find the article.

Some days, I feel very alone in the persecution I face as a Catholic nurse. Stories like this remind me that it dosen’t stop at healthcare.

Pick up your cross & follow Him.


35 posted on 06/12/2012 5:39:18 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: sickoflibs; xzins
The ‘gay is a race’ argument seems seriously flawed to me but now many states treat ‘orientation’ in it's non-discrimination law as if it is sex or race.

Kinda like the "spanking is child abuse" argument, eh?

36 posted on 06/12/2012 6:40:47 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Virgil Goode! Because everyone else is Bad!)
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins
RE :”Kinda like the “spanking is child abuse” argument, eh?

Are you still on that ‘beat infants with a rod’ preacher from week ago on this homo-rights thread? I think we 'beat that one to death' on that thread.

There is no right in the US constitution to homo-activity, nor is there a right to torture your kids leaving society with mental cases who do the same to their kids. I don't see the logical connection.

37 posted on 06/12/2012 7:05:22 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: sickoflibs; xzins
There is no right in the US constitution to homo-activity, nor is there a right to torture your kids leaving society with mental cases who do the same to their kids.

So spanking is torture?

That is a really modern/extremely liberal position you have taken. The same people that claim that homosexuality is a protected right are the same people who claim that spanking children should be a felony.

The problem is simply this, Christianity is under attack and it is now a tort to refuse to take pictures at a homosexual marriage and you can lose your business if you express your moral beliefs about homosexuality in regard to your photography business. The pastor we were discussing merely expressed his biblical understanding that using a "rod" on a child is a correct method of bringing up a child in the way he should go and he was convicted of 9 felonies for expressing that belief.

It will soon be a felony to express the belief that homosexuality is a sin. Do you not see the slippery slope that we are on?

38 posted on 06/12/2012 9:03:45 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Virgil Goode! Because everyone else is Bad!)
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins
RE :”So spanking is torture?
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That is a really modern/extremely liberal position you have taken. The same people that claim that homosexuality is a protected right are the same people who claim that spanking children should be a felony.

Beating infants with rods is torture. The same perverts who do such things were likely victims of themselves, much like incest child victims have been known to abuse their own kids. Abuse like that is perversion much like homosexuality is. No right to that in my book.

39 posted on 06/12/2012 9:21:54 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: sickoflibs; xzins
Beating infants with rods is torture

So is every spanking a "beating"? Having your butt slapped with the flat end of a wooden spoon is much less traumatic to a child than having it slapped with an open hand.

What kind of spanking would not be "torture" in your opinion. What kind of "spanking" can a pastor advocate without having to fear that if the parent follows that advice that he will not be found guilty of felony conspiracy?

And what will you say when a pastor tells a young congregant that homosexuality is a sin and then the young congregant later commits suicide? Would that be considered MURDER in your liberal world?

40 posted on 06/12/2012 9:57:17 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Virgil Goode! Because everyone else is Bad!)
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins
RE :”Beating infants with rods is torture
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So is every spanking a “beating”? Having your butt slapped with the flat end of a wooden spoon is much less traumatic to a child than having it slapped with an open hand.

Beating infants with a rod is perverted and is against the law in all civilized societies. Now maybe you can find a Muslim country in Africa that accepts barbaric practices like that, but few here will have sympathy for your position once they find out what you really mean.

I suppose it is possible to get away with it if the pervert is careful, a good way to raise a serial killer or child molester.

41 posted on 06/12/2012 10:07:16 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: markomalley

Here is the wedding cake incident I cited above:

http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-baker-may-be-sued-over-lesbian-couples-wedding-cake-62269/

Now that the precedent has been set w/ the NM photographer, I suspect this woman will lose her case. Very sad.


42 posted on 06/12/2012 12:11:17 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: Woodsman27
I’m deeply worried about the way we are headed on this issue and the reason is the youth. Hollywood and the public schools have created a young population that does not have traditional believes about marriage. Polls bear that out. As those folks age and my generation ages out (so to speak) more and more of the country will look like Massachusetts. We have to find a way to block Hollywood and the public schools hold on so many of the young before it is too late.

Indeed they have. I even heard this "Why can't people marry who they want to?" crap from our kids after we had to put them back in public high school (big, huge mistake in hindsight).

43 posted on 06/12/2012 12:16:45 PM PDT by Marathoner (If the choice was Obama vs. Satan I'd have to flip a coin.)
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To: Marathoner; Woodsman27; xzins
RE :”Indeed they have. I even heard this “Why can't people marry who they want to?” crap from our kids after we had to put them back in public high school (big, huge mistake in hindsight).

Have you questioned them closely to find out exactly where these ideas are coming from? Ask them if they are friends with anyone who would want to marry the same sex ?

Ask them if it's 'fair' that only opposite sex couples can naturally pro-create other humans (children)?

44 posted on 06/12/2012 11:07:52 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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