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Following the Truth: Empty Churches Where Should We Draw The Line?
FollowingtheTruth.com ^ | May 9th, 2012 | Gary Zimak

Posted on 06/12/2012 6:03:28 PM PDT by Salvation

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“No one is truly poor but except the one who lacks the truth.” (St. Ephraem the Syrian)
1 posted on 06/12/2012 6:03:38 PM PDT by Salvation
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Catholic Ping!


2 posted on 06/12/2012 6:06:05 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
Other thoughts from Gary Zimak.

Following the Truth: Empty Churches – Where Should We Draw The Line?
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Following the Truth: Listening To Mary’s Voice – Part 4 (The Magnificat) [Catholic Caucus]

Following the Truth: Listening To Mary’s Voice – Part 3 (Submission) [Catholic Caucus]
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3 posted on 06/12/2012 6:08:35 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

My relatives from PA, all they talk about is the closing of a Catholic church or school all over.


4 posted on 06/12/2012 6:14:24 PM PDT by bicyclerepair ( REPLACE D-W-S ! http://www.karenforcongress.com)
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I think that is why the Pope sent Archbishop Charles Chaput back there.

People may think that those in the pews want entertainment, but I believe the people in the pews want to know how to keep their faith in this increasingly secular world.

Prayers for your relatives and the good Archbishop.


5 posted on 06/12/2012 6:18:19 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

First I am not Catholic.
The churches I go to are crowded, many going to multiple services.
They tend to be very basic Bible driven, lively music and powerful messages.
The messages do not worry about offending people (sometimes the Word of God offens the sinner).
Much more like what you might imagine the early Christian churches were like.
The Church is not a building or a title it is the people who belong to the Body of Christ.
I think many older groups have lost that vision.


6 posted on 06/12/2012 6:25:25 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Salvation

“Unintended Consequences” (no offense meant to anyone, just wanting all to look at things from outside the box, for a minute)

So... Jesus returns to Earth, and walks into the nearest church.

He looks around, and smack dab in the middle is a huge cross, with his effigy hanging from it, nails through the wrists and ankles, a crown of thorns on his head, obvious puncture wounds to the chest cavity, and dripping blood.

So, he sets fire to the place and leaves, gets on his horse, takes out his sword, and heads out to destroy as many of these ‘violence worshipping’ abominations as possible.


7 posted on 06/12/2012 6:31:11 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Salvation

“Where should we draw the line?” How about where Mason and Dixon drew it! In many cases, places where people are leaving the churches empty are places where people are leaving period. This makes sense: the liberal ideology that destroys cities is the same liberal ideology that destroys dioceses.

“Come out from among ‘em” to the South, where people have jobs and kids and trucks, and the churches are packed. Ours was put under observation by the fire department when the alarm went off during Mass one day, and the captain saw how full the place was. Now we have fire lanes marked off with tape on the floors, as well no-exception-you’ll-be-towed lanes in the parking lot.


8 posted on 06/12/2012 6:32:53 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Genetic testing of unborn babies: measuring the morality of our culture. (Wesley Smith)
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To: UCANSEE2
So, he sets fire to the place and leaves, gets on his horse, takes out his sword, and heads out to destroy as many of these ‘violence worshipping’ abominations as possible.

I'm curious as to why you think Jesus would do that. He knew how he was going to die, and didn't fight it. He even encouraged his disciple, Thomas, to put his hands in the wounds so that Thomas would believe that He had risen from the dead.

The crucifix isn't displayed to 'worship violence', it is displayed so that WE never forget WHO it was who died for our sins, and made it possible for us to attain salvation with Him. It is there to humble us, not whip us into some sort of violent frenzy. The proof of that can be seen when folks get out of Mass on Sunday. The only 'violence' you'll likely see is somebody getting cut off on the drive out of the parking lot.

9 posted on 06/12/2012 6:47:20 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: UCANSEE2

Your feeble ruse didn’t work. Perhaps a better idea might be to comment upon the article at hand, rather than use the opportunity for referring to Catholic churches as “violence worshipping abominations.” Which you just did.


10 posted on 06/12/2012 6:49:08 PM PDT by sayuncledave (et Verbum caro factum est (And the Word was made flesh))
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To: Tax-chick

>>In many cases, places where people are leaving the churches empty are places where people are leaving period. <<

Exactly! People are crying in Detroit because they are closing and clustering parishes.

I keep trying to tell them, the entire state should be either closed or clustered.


11 posted on 06/12/2012 6:54:23 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: svcw

Likewise with my Catholic Church. We have four Masses. One Saturday evening — not so full.

Sunday monring at 8:15 and 10:30 and the Spanish Mass at 12:30 — all bursting at the seams.

Powerful messages based on the Bible is what we get. And the numbers prove it.

In fact our Capital Campaign to build a new Church has not been going on that long, and we have alomost reached the point when we can obtain a loan from the Archdiocese and start the building — I think their goal is the first part of October.

The present building will be turned into classrooms or completely re-designed.


12 posted on 06/12/2012 6:54:49 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: UCANSEE2

**So, he sets fire to the place and leaves, gets on his horse, takes out his sword, and heads out to destroy as many of these ‘violence worshipping’ abominations as possible.**

This is very strange. Care to explain further? Why would this happen?


13 posted on 06/12/2012 6:57:06 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: UCANSEE2

On earth Christ is perfect mercy.

At the moment of our death, Christ is perfect justice.

Something to ponder.


14 posted on 06/12/2012 6:58:17 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SuziQ

Deu 5:8 Thou shalt not make thee [any] graven image, [or] any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the waters beneath the earth:

Does Jesus not reside in Heaven?


15 posted on 06/12/2012 7:09:00 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period.)
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To: Salvation
Powerful messages based on the Bible

These churches do not lack for full pews.

16 posted on 06/12/2012 7:36:06 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Salvation

I disagree with Sheen, here. The “organized religions” losing members, at least among Protestants, are the loosy goosey liberals. I hope they go totally empty unless they get back to the Bible.

“Organized religions” that are Christian conservatives are growing by and large.


17 posted on 06/12/2012 7:37:48 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: UCANSEE2

“So, he sets fire to the place and leaves, gets on his horse, takes out his sword, and heads out to destroy as many of these ‘violence worshipping’ abominations as possible.

I am not a defender of the use of crucifixes, but I don’t think it is a worship of violence. Jesus did indeed die a violent and hideous death for us, truly suffering throughout. The crucifix is an attempt to remember and honor that.

However, one problem with it (from my point of view) is that it focuses the believer on the death and not the resurrection.


18 posted on 06/12/2012 7:40:32 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: itsahoot

To your question: ““Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, to the close of the age.” (Mt 28:19-20)”

It says “I am with you always” So I guess the three persons in one (Father/Son/Holy Spirit) can both be in heaven and with us all the time. I think God can do things like that because he made the rules, spoke the Word to bring all about and Made Man from the Earth.


19 posted on 06/12/2012 7:44:14 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution)
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To: itsahoot
Well graven images are a bad thing, if you worship the statue, and forget about who it is supposed to represent. We don't do that.

Remember, even Moses and Aaron had 'images' in the form of the Ark of the Covenant, and used it in their worship, all apparently approved by God, who told them how to build it.

Jesus is the new 'Ark', and we have statues and paintings to remind us of him. We know those images are not Him, but we use them in our worship, just as Moses and the Hebrew people used the Ark of the Covenant in theirs.

20 posted on 06/12/2012 8:03:53 PM PDT by SuziQ
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