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How to be a Jack Mormon
The Cultural Hall Podcast ^ | June 9, 2012 | Carli

Posted on 06/16/2012 11:00:56 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

A Jack Mormon is someone who is Mormon, but ”trouble.”

They are somewhere in between baptism and excommunication. If they even show up to church, they’re merely in the door, not on the stand, but also not escorted out. Foyer sitters.

(That’s how I’ve heard the term used anyway.)

In order to be a successful Jack Mormon, you need to incorporate multiple items from the following list into your life:

Are Jack Mormons a misunderstood part of Mormon culture? Or are Jack Mormons simply misinformed about what’s appropriate in Mormon culture?


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Jack Mormons are a mormon group that are included in the membership numbers (14 million plus) put out by the mormon church.

I would include in the group the thousands who have been baptized mormon but have not set foot in a church for decades, like about 75 of my relatives.

I think the most notable thing about this list is that it is a list of things that are either doctrinally forbidden or frowned on by the "true blue mormons"....much has to do with one's appearance...piercings, long hair on men, short skirts, flip flops (sorry Mitt), don't clap to show approval in church, and of course no coffee, tea or alcohol.

Really, Jesus would NOT find a welcome in a mormon chapel, and He would certainly be denied entrance to a mormon temple.

1 posted on 06/16/2012 11:01:05 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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Ping


2 posted on 06/16/2012 11:10:57 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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To: greyfoxx39

“Jack mormon” is short for “jack ass mormon” according to my mormon friends.


3 posted on 06/16/2012 11:12:39 AM PDT by Ham Hock ( i)
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To: greyfoxx39

Regardless of religion, what you described doesn’t seem very attractive or appealing. I can’t see how any of it would be helpful to these people in their work, schooling, or as community leaders.


4 posted on 06/16/2012 11:15:16 AM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion mill.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I had a “Jack Mormon” friend in Vietnam. He was one of the finest “Grunts” I ever knew. No one in our Platoon would have traded him for anything.


5 posted on 06/16/2012 11:16:59 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: wintertime
Marco Rubio could be described as a "Jack Mormon".

Sen. Marco Rubio was baptized as a Mormon at age 8,With Sen. Rubio on the ticket, Mitt could garner all the TBM AND and Jack Mormon votes.

6 posted on 06/16/2012 11:21:15 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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To: unkus
I had a “Jack Mormon” friend in Vietnam. He was one of the finest “Grunts” I ever knew. No one in our Platoon would have traded him for anything.

All my Jack Mormon relatives and friends are ideal citizens...just not good mormons. Not one will ever be a bishop.

7 posted on 06/16/2012 11:23:29 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I’ve never had a problem with any Mormon I ever met.


8 posted on 06/16/2012 11:27:58 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: unkus
I’ve never had a problem with any Mormon I ever met.

Did you ever run across Ted Bundy?

9 posted on 06/16/2012 11:32:32 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Virgil Goode! Because everyone else is Bad!)
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To: P-Marlowe

I’ve never had a problem with any Mormon I ever met.

Did you ever run across Ted Bundy?


No but I never ran across Barack Hussein Obama, either.


10 posted on 06/16/2012 11:42:10 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: unkus
No but I never ran across Barack Hussein Obama, either.

I believe that Obama would have to be considered a Jack Muslim.

12 posted on 06/16/2012 11:53:46 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Virgil Goode! Because everyone else is Bad!)
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To: greyfoxx39

The Jack Mormons I have met were an unhappy bunch. I didn’t think of them as Mormons, but as people who really disliked Mormons. Much of the time they had a cigarette in their fingers and a cola soft drink or coffee in their hand.

Kind of an “I want to be an anti-Mormon” countenance, yet a sense of failure because they couldn’t think of any more rules to break.

Several of the girls had suicide attempt scars on their wrists.

Noteworthy that several of them mentioned their family became Mormon in the first place in hopes of getting free stuff. Religious welfare and food stamps.

Juxtaposed with real Mormon kids, Jacks just came across as “sad”.


13 posted on 06/16/2012 11:59:08 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: P-Marlowe

I believe that Obama would have to be considered a Jack Muslim.


Yep, those Muslims and Mormons are one in the same.


14 posted on 06/16/2012 12:07:04 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Juxtaposed with real Mormon kids, Jacks just came across as “sad”.

Excellent post. Always happy to see the welcoming and forgiving attitude of mormons in black and white.

Now, the Christian churches I have attended would have been welcoming to these "sad" folks with an entirely different viewpoint. For instance, welcoming them to our church's food pantry, offering financial help if needed...and for those "girls who had suicide attempt scars on their wrists" a warm welcome would be forthcoming by our youth leader and the young people to those who had been in such despair.

"Juxtaposed with real Mormon kids, Jacks just came across as “sad”. Your post is self-explanatory.

15 posted on 06/16/2012 12:20:33 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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To: unkus
Yep, those Muslims and Mormons are one in the same.

You'd be surprised.

There was an event on 9/11 in 1857 which might interest you. If you are interested.

16 posted on 06/16/2012 12:20:33 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Virgil Goode! Because everyone else is Bad!)
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To: unkus

I once opined that a certain prominent political figure was a “jack Mormon”, and was told I didn’t know what I was talking about. After all, he shaved and wore a suit, a pretty expensive one at that. Fact was, he had joined LDS for purely social reasons and to buttress his political ambitions.

I still maintain nobody can be both a “good Mormon” and a liberal Democrat at the same time. There are just too many glaring gaps in doctrine to provide much overlap.


17 posted on 06/16/2012 12:21:24 PM PDT by alloysteel (Fear and intimidation work. At least on the short term.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
The original term “Jack Mormon”, was a non Mormon who lived among the LDS and conformed but was not a member.

My father smoked and drank, as did many of his peers, considered himself LDS and never wanted any FREE Stuff.

18 posted on 06/16/2012 12:22:47 PM PDT by Little Bill (Sorry)
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To: greyfoxx39

I am a proud Apostate. Keeping my name on the rolls is making it possible to proudly show the world what a “Good Mormon” looks like: The kind you can stand to be around!

I also love to answer the “are you lds” question with: “Not so’s you’d notice”.

Also to be fair to the topic of the thread I must add.

Jack Mormons don’t know jack.


19 posted on 06/16/2012 12:24:22 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: P-Marlowe

That’s very lame. Go grasp at straws somewhere else.

Enough.


20 posted on 06/16/2012 12:27:53 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: greyfoxx39

What’s wrong with Pringles?


21 posted on 06/16/2012 12:31:12 PM PDT by Rio (Tempis fugit.)
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To: greyfoxx39
Really, Jesus would NOT find a welcome in a mormon chapel, and He would certainly be denied entrance to a mormon temple.

AND, your point is????

A little "shot" at Romney and Mormons mayhaps?

You needn't bother as the LEFTIST, biased, corrupt, Lame Stream Media is going all out to try and discredit and dishonor the Mormon Religion.

I'm betting that there are several Catholics (including a cousin who is a priest) who would consider me a "JACK-Catholic" as I do not always go to Church every Sunday; have not been to confession or received Communion is some time; regularly take the name of the Lord in vain; as well as commit many other sins.

I'm also willing to bet there are "JACK-Baptist," "JACK-Amish," "JACK-Hindus," as well as "JACK-Muslims."

In fact, I imagine there are very few, devout religious people of every denomination who follow the spirit and letter of whatever the teachings are.

All I know is that Jesus died on the Cross for our sins and he knows we are ALL weak and SINNERS, but He never gives up on us and gives us all opportunities to try and do better.

As far as Jesus being DENIED entry into a Mormon Temple, that presupposes (AGAIN a "shot" and "slight") that you and others consider Mormons as NOT being Christians and ANTI-CHRIST.

Regardless, Mormons as are ALL peoples are GOD's children and who knows whether He will welcome and accept them into His Kingdom when they pass.

Do you?????

22 posted on 06/16/2012 12:32:58 PM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: P-Marlowe

>>>Obama would have to be considered a Jack Muslim<<<

Had him figgered for a Gay Muslim.


23 posted on 06/16/2012 12:33:22 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: alloysteel

I still maintain nobody can be both a “good Mormon” and a liberal Democrat at the same time. There are just too many glaring gaps in doctrine to provide much overlap.


Harry Reid comes to mind.


24 posted on 06/16/2012 12:36:55 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Fightin Whitey; greyfoxx39
Had him figgered for a Gay Muslim.

Well a Gay Mormon would probably be numbered among the Jack Mormons.

That is, unless the question of sodomy with men was not included in the Temple Recommend interview.

I believe that Salt Lake City is one of the most gay friendly cities in America. Is it because they don't ask about it in the Temple recommend interviews? They sure want to know if you've had a Coke or a Dr. Pepper recently.

25 posted on 06/16/2012 12:40:29 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Virgil Goode! Because everyone else is Bad!)
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To: P-Marlowe
Yep, those Muslims and Mormons are one in the same.

You'd be surprised.

There was an event on 9/11 in 1857 which might interest you. If you are interested.

Gee, and you ONLY had to DIG BACK some 155 YEARS to come up with something "COMPARABLE?

Why not throw in the "CRUSADERS" for good measure?

Hey, oh Romney/Mormon-Hater, I ONLY have to DIG BACK....like TODAY....to show how eeeeevil, barbaric, and murderous, the "Believers" in the "Religion of Pieces" are:

"Baghdad bombs target Shi'ite pilgrims, 26 killed," by Kareem Raheem for Reuters, June 16:

I can probably come up with, oh, 40 or 50 other newsworthy examples in just the past 30 days if you like?

Nice try though; have another glass of Kool Aid!

26 posted on 06/16/2012 12:44:24 PM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: unkus; alloysteel

Bishop and Stake President Romney tells us that church leaders can be pro-abortion.


27 posted on 06/16/2012 12:45:42 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
As far as Jesus being DENIED entry into a Mormon Temple, that presupposes (AGAIN a "shot" and "slight") that you and others consider Mormons as NOT being Christians and ANTI-CHRIST.

Jesus could never pass the "temple worthiness" test. He would have to answer to His bishop the following questions satisfactorily:

Temple Recommend questions.


1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?


Additionally, Jesus would have to "pass by Joseph Smith" in order to enter Heaven...

“I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God
Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155

Do you believe Jesus could "pass by Joseph Smith"?

Mormonism is not Christian.

28 posted on 06/16/2012 12:53:24 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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To: unkus; alloysteel

Harry Reid is one of the most devout, and faithful of all Mormons.

Reid is a Temple Mormon, one of the approximately 15% of Mormons who are spiritual enough and devoted enough to enter the Holy Temples and participate in the inner circles secret activities.


29 posted on 06/16/2012 12:54:13 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: wintertime

Why?


30 posted on 06/16/2012 12:55:33 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: P-Marlowe

Yep, San Francisco and SLC top the list.
Two of my lds cousins are homosexual.
The woman was asked to leave in the middle of their meeting. The other along with his partner have TRs.


31 posted on 06/16/2012 12:59:17 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
when they pass

Pass what?

That is something Joseph Smith said - he will decide who gets IE pass into the highest level of celestial being.

Are you lds?

32 posted on 06/16/2012 1:03:17 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Since this thread is the religion forum about mormonism, if you want to talk about islam start a new thread.


33 posted on 06/16/2012 1:04:48 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw
How can the following be helpful to anyone ( regardless of religion) in a career or getting along in the community/ society, being a role model for children, or being a leader worth emulating in the community? Maybe they might get along in spite of the following be certainly not because of it.

Church apparel, for women: Wear a sleeveless top and a mini skirt. Never wear panty hose. Wear flip flops in the summer and hooker heels in the winter.
Church apparel, for all: Wear sunglasses.
Get a tattoo in a well-seen location.
Both men and women should have multiple piercings.
Men: Grow your hair long, past your earlobes.
Dye your hair an unnatural color, such as blue, purple, pink or green.
Pop open a can of Pringles on Fast Sunday (There are Christians who do fast).
Eat McDonalds in the parking lot before church. Throw the trash away in the can outside of the chapel.
Attend church high or hung over.
Let your kids play video games at church.

34 posted on 06/16/2012 1:30:17 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion mill.)
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To: svcw
I missed these two.

Quote R-rated movies, in church if you get the chance.
Let your phone ring and ring and ring in Sacrament meeting. Answer it from the pew.

35 posted on 06/16/2012 1:31:57 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion mill.)
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To: greyfoxx39
Gee! I didn't know that!

Anyway...Rubio is not a natural born citizen. If Romney picks him I will be soooooo disgusted with him and the Republicans it will be very hard for me to go to the polls. Personally, I think Romney is wise enough to know that the birthers have been **very** distressed with how Obama’s eligibility has been handled. For him to pick Rubio would be a thumb in the eye to every birther in America. Do you seriously think he would do that?

I think Romney is smart enough not to do that.

36 posted on 06/16/2012 1:41:20 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion mill.)
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To: wintertime

I don’t have a problem with any of it.
Kids should be in kids church, where they can be taught and serve others. They should not be forced to sit in adult services, they just aren’t capable of sitting still, so if they are quite its a start.
I do not care how people dress when they come, it is not a fashion show. The unSaved and Saved come to church, I welcome them.
People who are regulars should come to serve not be served, and looking at someone to determine whether they are worthy to be there is ridiculous.
If a person pledges to fast for what ever reason and they eat, that is between them and God. It has nothing to do with me.
I do not know what “hooker” heals are, flip flops, so? I like like sandals myself.
I am not sure why throwing garbage thrown away is a big deal, rather have that happen than in the parking lot.
Now, sun glasses - that is my personal issue, I can’t stand talking to anyone that wear sunglasses but it doesn’t bother some people.
So there you have it.


37 posted on 06/16/2012 1:46:42 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: wintertime
For him to pick Rubio would be a thumb in the eye to every birther in America. Do you seriously think he would do that?

I think Mitt would pick anyone that he thought would be a politically expedient choice. He will shrug off the "birther" voters because his father had problems with his Mexican birth when he ran for POTUS even though his grandparents were US citizens.

38 posted on 06/16/2012 1:54:55 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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To: wintertime

The phone OFF is common curiosity. My pastor has stopped preaching and said “hey, we’ll wait till you are done (name’s name). Normally, it happens once and once only.
The movie thing, I don’t get. There are many good one liners in R rated movies. However, I can conceded some discretion should be used when quoting.
Back to the phone, I take notes on my note pad on my phone and then email it to my lap top to save for later, I am very careful especially is its in a dark room to sit in back, AND turn the sound off so people can’t hear the typing.
Where I go, I would guess half the people take notes on their IPads and Iphones. My daughter has a great program on her IPad, half the page is scripture and the other notes, so she can take notes right at the scripture the preacher is talking about. Somehow the notes are blending to fit between the versus referenced. (Totally has nothing to do with this, I just think its cool).


39 posted on 06/16/2012 1:56:14 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: ansel12

You’re wasting your breath.


40 posted on 06/16/2012 2:09:34 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

“Regardless, Mormons as are ALL peoples are GOD’s children and who knows whether He will welcome and accept them into His Kingdom when they pass. Do you?????”

Do you really believe “ALL peoples are GOD’s children?” I would accept that God is the Creator of all, but you are linking it to acceptance by God, and Jesus used language which strongly suggests he would not agree with your theory:

John 8:43-44 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Now the first question is who was Jesus addressing. They were those Jews who wanted to kill him. Yet there you have it, sons of Adam, sons of Abraham, yet Jesus calls them sons of the Devil. So no, not everyone is a child of God.

As for who will enter His kingdom, he has given us a Bible for a reason. Like CS Lewis says, nothing God does is a sham. The Bible was not put in our hands so we could ignore it, but to guide us into a relationship with him. Without that relationship, the soul is lost, doomed to wander eternity in darkness. Jesus said he did not come to save the righteous, but sinners. If anyone is a sinner, then they are lost, until they are found. As John Newton has famously said:

Amazing grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me;
I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see.

So the great question becomes, how does one “get found?” If Jesus and the Apostles provide an answer to that question, then any answer contradicting their teaching must be false, mustn’t it? And if someone is lost, and is following a false answer, how can they be saved?

Well, I suppose God could just forgive them for their ignorance of the truth. And if he said he would do that, I would have no problem with it, because He is God and he can do as he pleases, and he really isn’t going to care too much what you or I think about it.

But if he has already told us how it is, that those who come to him, come a certain way, and believe a certain thing, then isn’t it equally presumptuous of us to contradict him? He is God. He will do as he pleases, and no one can question his authority to do what he does.

That is why this discussion is so important, and not really Mormon-bashing at all. If the LDS leadership has openly declared they do NOT believe in the Jesus presented in the Bible, and they have so declared, and yet that Jesus, the Jesus of the Bible, has declared it is Him they must believe in to be saved, how then can they be saved? One Jesus must stand, and the other fall. They both cannot be true.

Christians are obligated to test the spirits, as Paul puts it, to use the benchmark of Scripture, with the aid of the Holy Spirit, to discern truth from falsehood. If they refuse to do so, they are disobeying Christ. As we are not interested in disobeying Christ, we must raise these questions about so-called alternative faiths. We have no desire to upset anyone, but we have accepted that the quest for truth can sometimes lead to temporary discomfort. And so we pursue it despite the discomfort, because in the end, only the truth can set a person free, and that’s what love is really all about.


41 posted on 06/16/2012 2:12:42 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: unkus; alloysteel
You’re wasting your breath.

You already knew that Harry Reid is one of the most devout, and faithful of all Mormons?

That Reid is a Temple Mormon, one of the approximately 15% of Mormons who are spiritual enough and devoted enough to enter the Holy Temples and participate in the inner circles secret activities?

You post as though you didn't know it, is that something you do to mislead people who don't know better?

42 posted on 06/16/2012 2:24:41 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: ansel12

Bye bye.


43 posted on 06/16/2012 2:26:40 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: unkus

***I had a “Jack Mormon” friend in Vietnam.***

We had a Jerk Mormon in the military. If he had been a baptist he would still have been a jerk.


44 posted on 06/16/2012 2:31:03 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: unkus

***No but I never ran across Barack Hussein Obama, either.***

If I had I would have immediately backed up, seen who it was, then ran across him again! (OK, that is from an old, old 1960s joke.) ;-)


45 posted on 06/16/2012 2:34:13 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: ansel12

Harry Reid? He is a Mormon?

Who knew?

Would have respected him more if he were a 32nd Degree Mason. Every expects them to be double-dealers and devil-worshipers dabbling in magic rituals.

Just ask anybody who is not into Freemasonry.


46 posted on 06/16/2012 2:34:33 PM PDT by alloysteel (Fear and intimidation work. At least on the short term.)
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To: alloysteel

***Fact was, he had joined LDS for purely social reasons****

Back in the 1070s I knew several teens who joined the LDS for the same reason.


47 posted on 06/16/2012 2:35:39 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

You guys must have been REMF’s.

Grunts are not REMF’s.


48 posted on 06/16/2012 2:35:58 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: wintertime; svcw

***Quote R-rated movies, in church if you get the chance.***

Mention you saw them on Pay-Per-View at the Marriott Inn!


49 posted on 06/16/2012 2:39:28 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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Silence Is Consent

I'll accept that as an admission that you lie to deceive on Mormon threads.

50 posted on 06/16/2012 2:39:49 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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