I read much of the first link. Murry calls them postmills not premills.
The posters think man is good enough to force them to be even better and thus create a kingdom good enough to hand over to Jesus.
Oh. I glanced at both to make sure I wasn't confusing them, but evidently I did. Thanks.
You can take what I posted as either a false alarm or as a more elliptical warning about theocracy. I had thought that premills were the ones who saw themselves as having a duty to make society more holy so as to deserve the return of Christ.
Anyways, there is nothing in either that enjoins the use of government. Both visions can be implemented through preaching, repentance and other voluntary means.