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Wikipedia ^ | 1829 | Mormon

Posted on 06/20/2012 11:33:38 PM PDT by JustTheTruth

From Wikipedia about Moroni: "a religious and military leader from the Book of Mormon who rallied people to successfully defend their freedoms and religious freedoms against enemies from within who wanted to overthrow a government by the people in favor of establishing a king."

"According to the Book of Mormon, Captain Moroni was an important Nephite military commander and patriot... He is perhaps best known for raising the "Title of Liberty" as a call to arms for his people to defend their country, family and religion."

. . . Moroni was "only twenty and five years old when he was appointed chief captain" of the Nephites. . . .

"Moroni is usually associated with the "Title of Liberty", a standard [flag] which he raised to rally the Nephites to defend their liberties from a group of dissenters who wanted to establish their leader as a king. Moroni was so angry with Amalickiah's dissention and wicked influence that he rent his coat and wrote upon it, "In memory of our God, our religion, and freedom, and our peace, our wives, and our children". With these words, he rallied his people to defend their families and their freedom, chasing the armies of Amalickiah away in the process. Any dissenters that remained, Moroni put to death, and raised up the title of liberty upon every Nephite tower, having been granted power from the chief judges and people to do such things."

This story may be of interest to some given what is happening today, with enemies of freedom, liberty and religious freedom seeking to change from government by the people per our constitution into a government wherein top leaders and powerful friends are above law.

No, I am NOT suggesting violence; just sharing a story from a different time and place.

(Excerpt) Read more at en.wikisource.org ...


TOPICS: Current Events
KEYWORDS: liberty
The Wiki link above takes one to the brief referenced Book of Mormon text.
1 posted on 06/20/2012 11:33:53 PM PDT by JustTheTruth
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To: JustTheTruth

Seriously?


2 posted on 06/20/2012 11:37:37 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: JustTheTruth

Cool. Where are the ruins of these Nephite cities located, so I can go and visit the place of this great victory for liberty?


3 posted on 06/20/2012 11:49:34 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: JustTheTruth

I once had a gal named Bony Moroni.


4 posted on 06/21/2012 12:01:50 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Colofornian; ejonesie22; Elsie; Godzilla; MHGinTN; narses; reaganaut; ...

Ping to a thread about the Marvelous Angel Moroni ... who for some mysterious reason never had to wear the sacred garments when alive ... and never attained exaltation after death ... despite leading a righteous life in the Americas and ministering unto Joseph Smith at a critical moment during the founding of Mormonism.

5 posted on 06/21/2012 12:18:17 AM PDT by Zakeet (We have to go spend money to keep from going bankrupt - Joe Biden)
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To: greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Colofornian; ejonesie22; Elsie; Godzilla; MHGinTN; narses; reaganaut; ...

Ping to a thread about the Marvelous Angel Moroni ... who for some mysterious reason never had to wear the sacred garments when alive ... and never attained exaltation after death ... despite leading a righteous life in the Americas and ministering unto Joseph Smith at a critical moment during the founding of Mormonism.

6 posted on 06/21/2012 12:19:32 AM PDT by Zakeet (We have to go spend money to keep from going bankrupt - Joe Biden)
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To: rogue yam
Nobody - but *Nobody* - knew her like ~~JOHNNY~~!
7 posted on 06/21/2012 12:26:54 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Zakeet

I’m confused.

I thought Moroni was a Captain of the Nephites.

Now you’re telling me he was an angel, who somehow missed out on going to Heaven, or is it Kolub?

I’m so confused.....


8 posted on 06/21/2012 12:36:46 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi

It doesn’t need to make sense. It’s the cult of Joseph Smith.


9 posted on 06/21/2012 1:01:22 AM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Boogieman

“Cool. Where are the ruins of these Nephite cities located, so I can go and visit the place of this great victory for liberty?”


Same place they buried Jimmy Hoffa.


10 posted on 06/21/2012 1:05:12 AM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: RaisingCain; Zakeet
I have heard that it all makes sense if you look at the right kind of stone ..... in your hat.

That's why I don't understand.

I don't own a hat.


11 posted on 06/21/2012 1:12:22 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: RaisingCain
"Same place they buried Jimmy Hoffa."

Under Tammy Faye Baker's makeup?
12 posted on 06/21/2012 1:15:43 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi
I’m confused. [Was Moroni] a Captain of the Nephites ... [or] an angel, who somehow missed out on going to Heaven, or is it Kolub?

I’m so confused.....

Welcome to the club!

Moroni is the name of two mythical characters invented by Joseph Smith in his Book of Mormon.

According to Joseph, the first Moroni was a Captain of the Nephites. The second Moroni was Mormon's son, one of the commanders of the last great battle, who finished and then hid the golden plates upon which the Book of Mormon text was written. Moroni supposed appeared as an angel to Joseph centuries after his death and led Joseph to the plates, etc. More on the tale HERE.

My comment concerning Moroni's lack of Sacred Garments pertains to the fact he is never portrayed in the clothing despite the fact their wearing is decreed as necessary following the temple endowments ... which Moroni surely went through like all other good Latter Day Saints. Mormons have never been able to tell me why the requirement was waived for him.

My comment concerning Moroni's status in the afterlife concerns his appearance to Joseph as an Angel rather than as a god. One would think that Moroni would have had his own celestial kingdom planet and harem of goddess wives by that point. Again, the Saints have no good answer.

Personally, I think that neither the garb requirements or the celestial kingdom had been invented by Joseph at the time he wrote the BoM. And personally, I find the mental image of a bunch of pre-Columbian aboriginal people running about in trap door long johns ... delightsome!

13 posted on 06/21/2012 1:31:06 AM PDT by Zakeet (We have to go spend money to keep from going bankrupt - Joe Biden)
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To: shibumi

She passed away a few years ago, so I guess that means the place of the great Mormon victory is lost forever.


14 posted on 06/21/2012 1:32:29 AM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Zakeet

If I were going to design underwear to be worn by multiple wives, I think I’d come up with something - dare I say it? - a bit more kinky.


15 posted on 06/21/2012 1:46:50 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi
"Those Bath Salts make me nauseous!"

"HRRrrrrghhhhuuuuuuugh! (Hic!)HRRRGGGHhhhuuuuuugh!"

16 posted on 06/21/2012 4:35:33 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: JustTheTruth
Shouldn't you be over at TrueBlueWhiners high fiving the demise of FreeRepublic, talking bad about us bigots and morons and trying to bring in new converts in a place where you are free to spread LDS cult propaganda with out it being shown for what it is...

All this trouble because of a faux conservative and his cult...

Lord have mercy on what's left of America...

17 posted on 06/21/2012 4:55:55 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: JustTheTruth

Moroni was “only twenty and five years old when he was appointed chief captain” of the Nephites. . . .
___________________________________________________

Joey Smith was “only twenty and five years old when he was” writing down this tale about his made up character...

BTW is “Moroni” one of “THE Nephites” ???

The Three Nephite Children who are still alive and live inside the North Pole in a Shangrala type land ???

along with John the Baptist ???


18 posted on 06/21/2012 5:00:59 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Zakeet
Yes, that's all true, but as a consolation prize, Moroni did get the capital city of the Comoros Islands named after him.

Or was it the other way around?

19 posted on 06/21/2012 5:09:59 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: RaisingCain

Shea Stadium?


20 posted on 06/21/2012 6:33:33 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Tennessee Nana; humblegunner; Zakeet; RaisingCain
These three?

The three immortalized in song, who live at the North Pole?
21 posted on 06/21/2012 6:43:14 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi

Who wears the fair garmies in sleet and in snow?
It’s Hardrock and Coco and Joe!


22 posted on 06/21/2012 6:52:51 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Tennessee Nana; humblegunner; RaisingCain; Zakeet
Now here are three that I'm absolutely sure are wearing some kind of Magic Underwear.
23 posted on 06/21/2012 6:53:18 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi

When the garmies become burdensome, rebellion cannot be far off:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPiDTZg9aVU


24 posted on 06/21/2012 6:58:53 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
Zhang!
25 posted on 06/21/2012 7:04:35 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Zakeet
Moroni got his reward for not becoming a god by being nominated to stand on the steeples of all mormon temples cloaked in pure gold. I don't know why that is considered a "celestial" reward, but apparently Moroni does.

And personally, I find the mental image of a bunch of pre-Columbian aboriginal people running about in trap door long johns ... delightsome!


26 posted on 06/21/2012 7:38:05 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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To: JustTheTruth

No, I am NOT suggesting violence; just sharing a story from a different time and place.

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Yeah, a story with no basis in reality. Moroni never existed and Joseph Smith DID support violence in his desire to destroy this country.

Learn your history, there is no truth in Mormonism.


27 posted on 06/21/2012 7:43:18 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Zakeet
Speaking of garments. Why did my grandmother wear garments like these that covered neck to ankles and wrists because of sacred marks,

And mine look like this??? Aren't my ankles and wrists and neck as sacred as hers?


28 posted on 06/21/2012 7:50:46 AM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: JustTheTruth

You might be suggesting violence but Joseph Smith sure did:

We will establish our religion with the sword. We will trample down our enemies and make it one gore of blood, from the Rocky Mountains to the Atlantic Ocean. I will be to this generation a 2nd Muhammad, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Al-Qur’an or the sword.’ So shall it be with us.

‘Joseph Smith or the sword!’ (History of the Church, Vol. 3, p. 167)


29 posted on 06/21/2012 8:00:34 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: shibumi

Unnnggghhh! What was THAT?


30 posted on 06/21/2012 8:10:43 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Humor.


31 posted on 06/21/2012 8:16:19 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi

Yup. Same gal.

She gets around.


32 posted on 06/21/2012 8:46:57 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: JustTheTruth; Elsie; greyfoxx39; svcw; All
Perhaps JustTheTruth is trying to beef up Deseret book sales of its action figures...see: Captain Moroni

(Deseretbook is owned by Lds Church, Inc.--otherwise known as the Mormon church)

Elsie...ya wanna add Captain Moroni's action-figure pix to your lineup of revolving posts?

33 posted on 06/21/2012 9:16:17 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: JustTheTruth

Wow. They had towers in their time?

Can’t wait to visit the archeological sites of their ruins.

/S


34 posted on 06/21/2012 9:25:11 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live thnrough it anyway)
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To: colorcountry

Pendulum, Compass and Square...


35 posted on 06/21/2012 9:29:38 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live thnrough it anyway)
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To: Colofornian
 Add Captain Moroni?
 
But which ONE??
 
There are SO many phallic shaped sashs from which to choose!!! 
 
https://www.google.com/search?q=Captain+Moroni&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-ContextMenu&rlz=1I7ADRA_enUS475&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=TlvjT6DvBLHF0AGbkdGrBA&ved=0CE0Q_AUoAQ&biw=1093&bih=479
 
 
 
 
 
 

36 posted on 06/21/2012 10:42:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Zakeet; JustTheTruth; Vendome; ejonesie22; greyfoxx39; svcw; RaisingCain; reaganaut; ...
According to Joseph, the first Moroni was a Captain of the Nephites. The second Moroni was Mormon's son, one of the commanders of the last great battle, who finished and then hid the golden plates upon which the Book of Mormon text was written [Zakeet]

TO: ALL THREAD PARTICIPANTS, jUSTTHETRUTH, & Mormon lurkers...and those being hit up by Mormons to join them:

Please, when you encounter a Mormon truth claim -- like this one presented by a Mormon, JusttheTruth -- read the context.

I have.

The "context" for this first Moroni (as Zakeet distinguished) is found in the chapter that JusttheTruth is indirectly referencing via his post...Alma 46 in the Book of Mormon.

When I turn to Alma 46, I first look @ the bottom of the page to see when Joseph Smith said this was written. The date? B.C. 73 ... Now B.C. 73 was over 100 years before Jesus Christ' public ministry began at age 30.

In Alma 46, the stuff about how Moroni was supposedly girded, his supposed "rent coat," his "title of liberty" is all there in v. 13...Allow me to quote the last line of verse 13...and then continue to vv. 14-15:

Alma 46:13 (last line) --> 15: ...and he prayed mightily unto his God for the blessings of liberty to rest upon his brethren, so long as there should a band of Christians remain to possess the land -- 14. For thus were all the true believers of Christ, who belonged to the church of God, called by those who did not belong to the church. 15. And those who did belong to the church were faithful; yea, all those who were true believers in Christ took upon them, gladly, the name of Christ, or Christians as they were called, because of their belief in Christ who should come.

Now LOTS of questions arise here!!!

Q1 Why would Jewish people in South America use Greek words? (Christ is Greek for "Anointed") Why didn't they use the word "Messiah?"

Q2 Same question re: "Church" -- which comes from the Greek word "ekklesia" The FIRST reference for "church" in the Bible comes during Jesus' public ministry -- Matthew 18...Well into the A.D. years...Yes, there were God's people in B.C. times; but there was no "church" (by name of a "church")

Q3 Likewise, there were no "Christians" (by name) in B.C. times. How do we know this? From the New Testament, the book of Acts: The disciples were called Christians FIRST at Antioch. (Acts 11:26) Why do Mormons have problems with such a simple word as "first?" Why do they denigrate Luke, the writer of Acts, as being in error here???

Now think about it. If it's truly B.C. times over 100 years before Christ's public ministry, you're not going to get 19th century language -- like what Joseph Smith used here twice -- "belong to the church." There was no church "membership" in B.C. times; that's a 19th century imposition upon history.

Frankly, nor would you get these 19th century heavily saturated patriotic concepts like "liberty" woven thruout a chapter in B.C. 73...
liberty is mentioned twice in v. 13;
"freedom of the land" in v. 16;
doesn't "land of liberty" in v. 17 sound like an a distinctly American conceptual phrase superimposed here?
"liberty" mentioned again in vv. 24,28
"cause of freedom" and "covenant of freedom" in v. 35
"standard of liberty" -- again a 19th century conceptual phrase superimposed within history in v. 36

To wrap this up...for all you Mormons who think that Alma 46 were "prophesies" about the future...note how Joseph Smith -- in Alma 46:39 -- got confused in his past vs. present tense renderings. Go ahead. Look it up yourself. If you were a "prophet" predicting some future redemption of Christ, you would phrase that with future tense grammar.

Instead...what do we find in Alma 46:39: And it came to pass that there were many who died, firmly believing that their souls WERE REDEEMED by the Lord Jesus Christ...

Instead of describing the cross as a future act; it is depicted in the past...Exactly how somebody writing all this in the 1820s would do...

37 posted on 06/21/2012 10:43:15 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Revelation 22:18 (KJV) -

"18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:"
38 posted on 06/21/2012 11:13:15 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Colofornian

Nitpickin Gracer.

Why yuh gotta be a hater?

Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon.....


39 posted on 06/21/2012 11:26:28 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live thnrough it anyway)
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To: Colofornian

Nitpickin Gracer.

Why yuh gotta be a hater?

Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon.....


40 posted on 06/21/2012 11:26:54 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live thnrough it anyway)
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To: Elsie

Where’d you find that picture of me? That was twenty years ago. /S


41 posted on 06/21/2012 11:28:30 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live thnrough it anyway)
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To: Elsie

Where’d you find that picture of me? That was twenty years ago. /S


42 posted on 06/21/2012 11:29:07 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live thnrough it anyway)
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To: Vendome

Amazingly, I found it in my wife’s full length mirror!


43 posted on 06/21/2012 1:55:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Vendome; Utah Binger

Ubie can vouch for the above; as he’s seen me in the flesh!


44 posted on 06/21/2012 1:56:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie; Vendome

I remember it well.

My oh my oh my oh my oh my oh my oh my oh my oh my oh my oh my......What a beauty!


45 posted on 06/21/2012 3:33:41 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Elsie

LOL


46 posted on 06/21/2012 3:52:47 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live thnrough it anyway)
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To: Colofornian

Wow, I didn’t realize that Roman legionairres stole their whole get-up from ancient Jewish vagabonds. You learn something new every day!


47 posted on 06/21/2012 10:00:55 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
Yup!

All kinds of cross-cultural things going on in the ancient world that ONLY the LSD prophets are privileged to know.

48 posted on 06/22/2012 4:03:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

bttt


49 posted on 06/22/2012 8:49:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Vendome

Nitpickin Gracer.

Why yuh gotta be a hater?

Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon.....


Probably right, i also would put the Mormons in there too.


50 posted on 06/24/2012 8:37:11 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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