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Angry priest: “I’ve had it!” with sacrament prep of young people!
WDTPRS ^ | June 21, 2012 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 06/21/2012 3:08:22 PM PDT by NYer

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To: vladimir998
A priest can bless someone in the communion line. A lay person cannot. I think that is what was being referred to.

Incorrect.

QUAERITUR: A Baptist going up for a blessing during Communion time

"According to the Church’s liturgical laws, Communion time is for Communion. Doing something other than what the liturgical rites prescribe during Mass is not permitted. The Communion portion of Mass is governed by the rubrics, rules, just like every other part of Mass. Priests and others have no authority to change those rubrics on their own. They shouldn’t be giving blessings during Communion time. This is, nevertheless a wide-spread practice. In my opinion, all those people going up for a blessing, with good will and in good faith, are not doing anything wrong. I and others think (correctly) that the practice should be ended and people should be given the whys and wherefores. Ending it should be accompanied by lot of instruction and it should be ended through a careful and kind process."

21 posted on 06/22/2012 2:23:43 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
OK .. compare/contrast/hermeneutically explain my #18 to tericarl's #14

Prove God's word wrong

22 posted on 06/22/2012 2:46:37 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I didn’t say the priest SHOULD bless someone. I said he can. He is the only one who can. A lay person can’t bless anyone.

By the way, here is a rejoinder to Fr. Z: http://newtheologicalmovement.blogspot.com/2012/04/whats-wrong-with-blessing-children-in.html

I do liturgical training for my diocese and we are working hard to get the laity to realize they can’t bless anyone. Priests blessing people is another issue entirely.


23 posted on 06/22/2012 5:34:30 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: NYer

I just skimmed the article for now and will read it in depth later. I had the terrifying experience of hearing a lay person at our local church encouraging the first communion children by saying something to the effect of spreading peanut butter on it.... People just don’t get it and so Thank God the priests are waking up!!


24 posted on 06/22/2012 6:26:17 AM PDT by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: NYer
How do we know they want the Sacrament? When they understand it, can tell the pastor what it is and why they want it.

I think this is a good concept. I think all education should be based on individual ability and demonstrated comprehension, rather than the failed, assembly-line, "every X-year-old is the same," Prussian schooling model.

25 posted on 06/22/2012 7:01:40 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Spinach at every meal.)
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To: vladimir998; Salvation
I do liturgical training for my diocese and we are working hard to get the laity to realize they can’t bless anyone.

You are absolutely right ... lay people cannot bless others. I'm pinging Salvation to your comment. She is an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion and I vaguely recall her mentioning something about this on an older thread. Perhaps she can provide some clarification.

We don't see this in our parish but then we don't have lay ministers. Only the priest may distribute communion. Those children who have not yet made their First Communion, or non-catholic visitors, are blessed by the priest touching the their heads with the chalice.

26 posted on 06/22/2012 7:58:18 AM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer; vladimir998

I no longer am a EMHC, due to health (standing for long time — broken foot) and after reading a wonderful book that basically says that men should be EMHCs or lectors, not women.

I believe the author of the book will one day be a saint — probably not in my lifetime, but there are too many miracles connected with the author not to believe the book.

When I was distributing Holy Communion I would put my hand on the person’s shoulder and say something like “God blesses you always.” For children, I changed it to fit their age.

Never, never did I make a cross on the person’s forehead, and we do have a couple of EHMCs that do that. But they are older and will soon be retiring.

It’s only for the priest to bless a person in that way.


27 posted on 06/22/2012 7:09:20 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: knarf

“bake a cake that doesn’t fall..

Cakes fall and dystopia happens and Christ had the nastiest death known to man.


28 posted on 06/23/2012 5:49:08 AM PDT by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: NYer

Lay people cannot bless others - wierd dynamic

we can pray for each other though

Pray for our priests -


29 posted on 06/23/2012 5:58:32 AM PDT by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: stonehouse01
I had to look that one up (dystopia)... and it seems it only happens in fairy tales.

You can learn to bake a cake without falling, and Christ meant it to be.

All is well, under His wing.

30 posted on 06/23/2012 6:02:30 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf

What are you talking about?? this is a fallen world


31 posted on 06/23/2012 12:14:40 PM PDT by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: terycarl

well and succintly said!! Martin Luther (failed augustinian) vs. the real St. Augustine. How did those lies spread so easily?


32 posted on 06/23/2012 8:55:42 PM PDT by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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