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To: Yosemitest
This is an excerpt from a very long booklet, but well worth your time, if you really want to know.

By accepting the underlying methods of spinning out a false tale, as in this excerpt's misuse of the Holy Scripture, its thought process falls into the same line as that of the unregenerate Patristics, like Clement and Origen. They led a great many (not all) seekers away from the core common-sense interpretation which Christ and His Apostles modeled, into a methodology based on nonsensical explanations that produced a religion of their liking. The long excerpt you posted here rests on a laundry-list of assumptions not only logically unsupportable, but directly contradicted by other Scripture.

Allegorizing Scripture, when a literal sense and application is demanded by the context, immediately leads to conflict of opinion, argumentation and profitless waste of time and emotion. That seems to be why this caucus prefers that one sticks to the theology framework stipulated. In this case your excerpt is distracting, though readily disproved.

Here's a suggestion: If you wish to know how the theme of the literal snatching away of the souls of Christ's believer-disciples fits in a dispensational framework of God's progressive revelation, follow along and ask. You may not believe in the scheme, but take your Bible and prove it false on our own, if you can.

But let me also suggest that you start to learn a little bit about "hermeneutics"--how to interpret the Bible. A good source is:

Bible 405: HERMENEUTICS - THE STUDY OF THE INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURES

This is a downloadable course outline in PDF form, from a reputable theological seminary named after an outstanding Bible interpreter. Going through this will immeasurably improve your responses in this discussion. (Hint: a section with highlights in the history of hermeneutics begins on page 23.)

With a grip on this, you probably won't want to be known as posting excerpts of the type and quality as you have here.

With sincere respect --

32 posted on 06/23/2012 7:35:06 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Come and hear, all ye that fear God, and I will declare what He has done for my soul.)
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To: imardmd1

Very well said. Thank you imardmd1!


34 posted on 06/23/2012 8:41:14 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta (In the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: imardmd1
You can think what you like, and trying to put it into a respectful tone is appreciated.
However, I'm not young, and I've been through it before.
If you can't back it up with the Bible, it's not worth my time.
I'm just trying to correct Satan's myths, and the "Rapture" will lead many to "a falling away".

You really should read up on the Doctrinal history of "The Rapture".
Many people will see event that are prophesised in the Bible, and realize that all their friends, the ones that were sure that they would be "Raptured Away", are sill around and suffering with them here on earth.
Then they will think that this has all been a lie, and they will lose faith in religion, and "fall away".

One of the older versions of the Britannica Encyclopedia had a great article on it, but I can't seem to locate it on the internet.

I cannot "call" you to God. Only the Father can do that.

Believe what you want, but most of all, BELIEVE THE BIBLE!
35 posted on 06/23/2012 9:19:55 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: imardmd1
By accepting the underlying methods of spinning out a false tale, as in this excerpt's misuse of the Holy Scripture, its thought process falls into the same line as that of the unregenerate Patristics, like Clement and Origen.

WELL SAID!

They led a great many (not all) seekers away from the core common-sense interpretation which Christ and His Apostles modeled, into a methodology based on nonsensical explanations that produced a religion of their liking.

Exactly right.

It's often said that premillenialism is a recent phenomenon, but it only appears that way to those that haven't had the opportunity to study our early Christian history. Amillenialism and allegorical interpretation became dominant with the rise of a hierarchy and the development of the church-state model. It has only been after the separation of the church and state that we've seen a large number of Christians return to our roots ie., literal interpretation and premillenialism.

If we look at Christians who believe in a pre-trib, or mid-trib rapture and a physical millennial reign of Jesus Christ we see the fastest growing congregations that are also the most evangelical.

41 posted on 06/23/2012 11:11:57 AM PDT by wmfights
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