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Anti-Mormon bias facing Mitt Romney is as strong as what his father faced in 1967, poll shows
Boston Globe ^ | June 21, 2012 | Callum Borchers

Posted on 06/22/2012 5:12:13 AM PDT by Colofornian

Mitt Romney faces an anti-Mormon bias just as strong as the one his father confronted during his own presidential run more than four decades ago, according to a Gallup poll.

Eighteen percent of Americans say that if their political party nominated “a generally well qualified person for president who happened to be Mormon,” they would not vote for that candidate. Romney, the presumptive Republican nominee, is a devout Mormon who once presided over the church’s Boston stake.

When Gallup asked the same question in 1967, during George Romney’s bid for the White House, 17 percent of Americans said they would refuse to vote for a Mormon.

“The stability of resistance to a Mormon presidential candidate over the past 45 years is an anomaly, given that resistance to a candidate who is black, a woman or Jewish has declined substantially over the same period of time,” Gallup Poll Editor-in-Chief Frank Newport wrote in a press release announcing the survey results.

The electoral significance of a lingering anti-Mormon bias is unclear because only 57 percent of Americans even know that Romney is a Mormon, according to the poll.

“This suggests the possibility that as Romney’s faith becomes better known this summer and fall, it could become more of a negative factor -- given that those who resist the idea of a Mormon president will in theory become more likely to realize that Romney is a Mormon as the campaign unfolds,” Newport said. “That things will actually work out this way, however, is far from clear.”

Democrats, who are unlikely to vote for Romney anyway, oppose a Mormon president at a much higher rate than Republicans, 24 percent to 10 percent. Opposition among independents stands at 18 percent.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


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There's been an absolute plethora of articles trying to "play down" the impact of Mitt Romney's Mormonism on this election...especially with the theme of "Evangelicals and other conservatives have nowhere to go but Mitt."

The problem is that this media drumbeat largely ignores Independent voters. Per this article: Mitt Romney faces an anti-Mormon bias just as strong as the one his father confronted during his own presidential run more than four decades ago, according to a Gallup poll. Eighteen percent of Americans say that if their political party nominated “a generally well qualified person for president who happened to be Mormon,” they would not vote for that candidate. Romney, the presumptive Republican nominee, is a devout Mormon who once presided over the church’s Boston stake. When Gallup asked the same question in 1967, during George Romney’s bid for the White House, 17 percent of Americans said they would refuse to vote for a Mormon...Democrats, who are unlikely to vote for Romney anyway, oppose a Mormon president at a much higher rate than Republicans, 24 percent to 10 percent. Opposition among independents stands at 18 percent.

Knowing this, the Dems & MSM "ace in the hole" this summer will be to "educate" the 43 percent of voters who still don't know that Romney is a Mormon!

From the article: The electoral significance of a lingering anti-Mormon bias is unclear because only 57 percent of Americans even know that Romney is a Mormon, according to the poll. “This suggests the possibility that as Romney’s faith becomes better known this summer and fall, it could become more of a negative factor -- given that those who resist the idea of a Mormon president will in theory become more likely to realize that Romney is a Mormon as the campaign unfolds,” Newport said.

Of course, this will all result in more non-Mormons becoming apologists for Mormonism; and for blaming those who expose Mormonism -- instead of the GOP-E...who gave us a guy who...
...thinks he's an alien from the Planet Kolob -- having been spirit-born there (something that apparently doesn't bother the birther crowd)...
...thinks that the White House is just a career move toward the Great White Throne as another god in the universe... [see Op-Ed: Mitt Romney's proposed career path — President, then God [White House-->Great White Throne]
...thru age 31, was giving a tithe toward an open racist organization -- the Mormon church!!! (Btw, those racist verses are still there in the three peculiar Mormon "scriptures"...they only changed one of them...in 1981)

This article talks about "anti-Mormon bias"...yet we are all called to discern worldviews. We are concerned about the "ISM" in MormonISM; not simply that somebody has a "Mormon" label. For example, if you are a voter and Romney's corporate worldview bias toward blacks -- his racist ties -- are an issue to you, please research:

* Racist principles were taught to older Mormons such as Professor Randy Bott [Admits Lds columnist] * Thinking Strategically about a Ban Disavowal [Mormon racism re: ban of blacks] Key quote from above article -- from a Mormon non-profit org leader (Kevin Barney): ...if Romney gets the nomination, then we’ll see this issue blow up in such a way that the last few days will seem like a harmless firecracker...

* Racist Remarks by popular BYU Religion Professor Spark Controversy

* Is Mormonism Still Racist? Comments from a BYU professor stir up a troubling past

* BYU Professor makes controversial statements about Blacks & LDS Church * Faith, truth and priesthood restriction (Mormon racism)

Too many MSM articles & its accompanying headlines -- suggest we are to accept ALL religious worldviews equally...lest we be somehow "guilty" of "bias." Yet, we are to favor truth; and refute falsehood, and to do so unapologetically!!!

1 posted on 06/22/2012 5:12:27 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

I don’t agree with the theology of Mormonism. However, Martin Luther once said that he’d rather be ruled by a competent Turk than an incompetent Christian. In this case, I’d rather be led by a competent Mormon, than an incompetent, destructive, culturally Muslim Atheist posing as a Christian.


2 posted on 06/22/2012 5:20:34 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama doesnÂ’t have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: Colofornian

It will be a cold day in Hell before a normal person votes for an alien Muslim over a Mormon. Dream on you MSM morons!!


3 posted on 06/22/2012 5:25:26 AM PDT by texican01
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To: MuttTheHoople

And for stating your honest opinion you will be told your christianity is in question, that you are insulting God by siding with the enemy, that ... well, you’ll see. Enjoy the show hereafter.


4 posted on 06/22/2012 5:26:17 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MuttTheHoople

+1


5 posted on 06/22/2012 5:30:07 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Colofornian

the idea that his religon will have much affect is crazy - he was elected gov in a heavy catholic and aethist state - did the world suddnely realize something since themn? Not.


6 posted on 06/22/2012 5:31:02 AM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: MuttTheHoople; All

Amen...


7 posted on 06/22/2012 5:31:16 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Give the Government an inch and they will want more and more.)
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To: Colofornian

—Anti-Mormon bias facing Mitt Romney is as strong as what his father faced in 1967, poll shows—

It should be stronger. We know more now.


8 posted on 06/22/2012 5:31:18 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: MuttTheHoople
However, Martin Luther once said that he’d rather be ruled by a competent Turk than an incompetent Christian.

(Well, that's funny...MOST Freepers willing to comment on the subject of whether they'd vote for a Muslim POTUS or not -- your "Turk" -- say "no" to that...I wonder why it is that whenever a FREEPER trots out this quote from Luther, that the hundreds of FREEPERs who've indicated they would NOT vote for a Muslim POTUS never contend that quote since it's now being used to support Romney???)

Why don't you take your own informal FREEPER survey and ask how many of them would vote for a "competent" Muslim POTUS...???

All the polls I looked at in 2007-2008 suggested THEN that 50% or more -- perhaps even 60% -- would not vote for a Muslim POTUS. (Not exactly strange in a still "fresh" 9/11 cultural environment)

Even Romney told the Christian Science Monitor in 2007 that he would NOT place a Muslim on his Cabinet!!!
See: Remember when Romney said he wouldn’t put a Muslim in the cabinet? He made his Mormonism relevant

9 posted on 06/22/2012 5:36:17 AM PDT by Colofornian (As fundamentalist Mormons now are, Lds once were; as fundamentalist Mormons now are, Lds may become)
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To: texican01

In America we are never forced to vote for Nero or Caligula. We can vote for Constatine even if he won’t win.

Obama and Romneycare are twins on social issues.

The economic collapse of Europe is likely to cause the dollar to fail as well, when the Euro collapses, so nobody we put into office can save our economy at this point. The only way to go forward will be the route Iceland has taken. Thus, no reason to compromise over the rather miniscule economic differences.

I will probably vote for Virgil Goode.


10 posted on 06/22/2012 5:36:21 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MuttTheHoople
Any moron that would vote against Romney because of his religion given the religion practiced by his opponent deserves what will happen to his country. The rest of us will hate them for selling their country out by being ignorant bigots.Whether you like his record is one thing but you can't point out where Mormonism played any part in it. If Obama plays the Morman card the RNC headed by Priebus and the pacs will make Rev Wright the poster child for Obama. Pribus isn't Steele and Romney is no McCain.
11 posted on 06/22/2012 5:37:51 AM PDT by mimaw
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To: MrEdd
Obama and Romneycare are twins on social issues. The economic collapse of Europe is likely to cause the dollar to fail as well, when the Euro collapses, so nobody we put into office can save our economy at this point. The only way to go forward will be the route Iceland has taken. Thus, no reason to compromise over the rather miniscule economic differences. I will probably vote for Virgil Goode.

Bingo. Voting for Virgil Goode as well.

Try as people will to make Romney-the-Mormon "god-in-embryo" a messianic-like political savior; he isn't. I can hardly think that God would be pleased to resurrect our economy after voters decided that they would elevate to the highest office a man who says he will compete with God for praise, worship, adoration, glory, reception of prayers, and split sovereignty.

For some reason, the Bible is pretty plain re: the elevation of idolatry and idolaters.

Note to ALL: GOD as Sovereign King of the Universe has more to do with our economy -- than any mere "another god" worshipper like either Romney or Obama!

12 posted on 06/22/2012 5:41:12 AM PDT by Colofornian (As fundamentalist Mormons now are, Lds once were; as fundamentalist Mormons now are, Lds may become)
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To: mimaw
This story could have been rephrased to show 90% of Republicans would vote for a Mormon and 82% of Independents polled would do likewise. It's all about how the results are spun. Bottom line is that this is a non-story.
13 posted on 06/22/2012 5:43:18 AM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: cuban leaf; Colofornian

But George was “brainwashed”.


14 posted on 06/22/2012 5:45:38 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: mimaw; MuttTheHoople
The rest of us will hate them for selling their country out by being ignorant bigots

IOW, you're intolerant of others' religious views that consider the vulnerability/gullibility-to-deception of a POTUS candidate...
...one who character-wise is audaciously filled with pride to consider himself "divine"...
...And, so, you're Soooooooo intolerant of others' religious views that you're bigoted and self-admittedly "hate[ful]" toward them???

Tell us all again how "anti-MormonISM" = "bigotry"...but somehow anti-anti-MormonISM doesn't constitute "bigotry?"

Is there some "religious hypocrite" license you received that allows YOU only to disdain certain religious views???

15 posted on 06/22/2012 5:46:14 AM PDT by Colofornian (As fundamentalist Mormons now are, Lds once were; as fundamentalist Mormons now are, Lds may become)
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To: MuttTheHoople

IT is up to us in Nov to REMOVE 0, and NOT INSTALL his EVIL TWIN. I don’t drink the gop koolaide, I did a lot of research, there is but a dimes difference in the 2. If it talks like a Republican, votes like a demoRAT, signs legislation that only a demoRAT would sign they it must be a DEMORAT with a R after it’s name called a RINO!

And for every one who moans about Snowe, Graham, Collins and the former Specter this is what you will get if you vote for the RINO Romney.


16 posted on 06/22/2012 5:46:42 AM PDT by GailA (IF U don't/won't keep your promises to the Military, U won't keep them to the public)
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To: cuban leaf

It should be stronger. We know more now.

******

Took the words out of my fingertips! Belief in Mormonism requires assent to a set of propositions that range from merely very dubious (moroni the plates and Joey) to the patently false (ridiculous historical claims about pre-european population of the US) to fantastical nonsense that could’ve come right out of a scifi novel.

It isn’t “bias” to disbelieve fantastical claims and to view an apparently intelligent adult who believes such things with skepticism — its informed judgement.


17 posted on 06/22/2012 5:46:42 AM PDT by gzzimlich
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To: Colofornian

Throw your temper tantrum if you must hopefully enough voters will vote to maintain a future for their children.


18 posted on 06/22/2012 5:47:11 AM PDT by mimaw
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To: MuttTheHoople

I agree with post #2


19 posted on 06/22/2012 5:47:29 AM PDT by samtheman (If we want Obamugabe out, we must vote him out.)
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To: Colofornian

What derailed George Romney’s presidential hopes was not his Mormonism but his liberalism.


20 posted on 06/22/2012 5:51:21 AM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: Colofornian

Smart people will vote for Mormon over the Muslim.


21 posted on 06/22/2012 5:52:26 AM PDT by factmart
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To: Colofornian
I disdain Marxist socialism. So take your moral superiority and shove it.
22 posted on 06/22/2012 5:53:23 AM PDT by mimaw
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To: cuban leaf

Welcome to my “Bigots against Mormon’s” list.


23 posted on 06/22/2012 5:53:45 AM PDT by G Larry (There's no hope of a safe landing when you hire a suicidal pilot!)
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To: Russ; mimaw
This story could have been rephrased to show 90% of Republicans would vote for a Mormon and 82% of Independents polled would do likewise. It's all about how the results are spun. Bottom line is that this is a non-story.

You're playing with numbers, here. (And you've offered up a very poor spin!!!)

If you already rule out almost 1 in 5 voters, then even if you capture HALF of the Independents willing to vote for a Mormon, you've only garnered 41% of their vote! Sorry...but 41% -- vs. say, 57% of the Independent vote -- is a landslide!

Even if Romney then captured 55% of the Independent voters willing to vote Mormon, he still would only capture 45% of the Independent vote!...He could still lose the Independent vote, 52 or 53-45%!!!

Take then also into consideration that more conservatives know Romney is Lds than Independents. The article says 43% of voters don't know Romney is Lds. I would guess that probably rises to 50% of all Independents.

So even as more of those voters become aware that Romney is Mormon, that, too, will erode overall voter numbers.

24 posted on 06/22/2012 5:54:05 AM PDT by Colofornian (As fundamentalist Mormons now are, Lds once were; as fundamentalist Mormons now are, Lds may become)
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To: MHGinTN
I can't get the vision of those nineteen Mormons flying those jets into the WTC out of my head!!!
25 posted on 06/22/2012 5:54:46 AM PDT by ontap
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To: KevinDavis
I'm surprised they haven't started posting these.


26 posted on 06/22/2012 5:55:17 AM PDT by mnehring (I'd rather be ruled by a competent Turk than an incompetent Christian - Martin Luther)
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To: Colofornian

You Nuts!


27 posted on 06/22/2012 5:57:06 AM PDT by factmart
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To: G Larry

—Welcome to my “Bigots against Mormon’s” list.—

You’ve probably have my old name on the list for some time.

;-)


28 posted on 06/22/2012 5:58:20 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: mimaw
...hopefully enough voters will vote to maintain a future for their children.

Those who train their children and grandchildren how to operate based upon pragmatic utilitarian political relativism will one day result in their children and grandchildren voting for an (R) candidate to the left of Obama because he's to the right of the (D) candidate.

To show you how this works, perhaps Obama could lose this election, switch to the (R) party...gain the nominee status...and then run vs. a more liberal (D) guy...

Then we'd have posters like you advocating that we vote for Obama as the "lesser of two evils" and the "lesser impacts on our back accounts" and all the other relativistic drivel we hear...

29 posted on 06/22/2012 5:58:21 AM PDT by Colofornian (As fundamentalist Mormons now are, Lds once were; as fundamentalist Mormons now are, Lds may become)
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To: G Larry

—Welcome to my “Bigots against Mormon’s” list.—

You’ve probably have my old name on the list for some time.

;-)

I’ve studied mormonism since I almost became one after touring the Bellevue Wa. temple just after it was completed (and before it was closed off to non-mormons).


30 posted on 06/22/2012 5:59:13 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Russ

It helps identify the anti-Mormon Bigots at FR...


31 posted on 06/22/2012 6:00:15 AM PDT by G Larry (There's no hope of a safe landing when you hire a suicidal pilot!)
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To: G Larry

I call it the Landover Baptist list. Some of them practically cut and paste from that site.


32 posted on 06/22/2012 6:02:01 AM PDT by mnehring (I'd rather be ruled by a competent Turk than an incompetent Christian - Martin Luther)
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To: G Larry; cuban leaf
Welcome to my “Bigots against Mormon’s” list.

OK...well, G Larry, you've just inspired my "anti-anti-Mormonism" Bigots' list...Posters who won't tolerate the religious expressions of those who oppose MormonISM.

To officially qualify, however...please show me your "Religious License" to practice intolerance and bigotry of certain religious expression...(Why is your frowning upon religious expressions above reproach? Who gives it special sanction? Who gave you your religious licenses to practice such intolerance in the name of 'tolerance'?)

33 posted on 06/22/2012 6:05:22 AM PDT by Colofornian (As fundamentalist Mormons now are, Lds once were; as fundamentalist Mormons now are, Lds may become)
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To: Colofornian
I train my children to make intelligent well thought out choices and to weigh them carefully. The old adage of don't cut off your nose to spite your face comes to mind. Other elections voters could afford to play around with their vote this election is truly different. This is a choice between a candidate who hates this country and its capitalist system which has brought a good way of life for those willing to work and a candidate who loves his country and happens to have an inkling of how our system works.
34 posted on 06/22/2012 6:09:36 AM PDT by mimaw
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To: texican01

Funny you should mention “aliens.” Ever heard of the planet Kolob? Just sayin ...


35 posted on 06/22/2012 6:11:01 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: G Larry

I’m old enough to remember when it was Catholics who were portrayed in this despicable manor. Mormons are free to believe anything they wish just like the rest of us. Most of this foolishness stems from the fact that their candidate LOST!!!! Personally I was for Newt, he lost. I am not crazy about Romney he was the last choice I would have made but HE WON. We don’t get to vote until our guy wins!!


36 posted on 06/22/2012 6:12:08 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Colofornian

Religious License = 1st Amendment


37 posted on 06/22/2012 6:15:18 AM PDT by G Larry (There's no hope of a safe landing when you hire a suicidal pilot!)
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To: Colofornian

Didn’t even that wackadoo pastor Jeffress say he would reluctantly vote for Romney if he unfortunately wins the nomination?

How come he wasn’t accused of relativistic drivel at the time? I mean back then the sides were reversed, with all the LDS critics on FR supporting him for saying Christians shouldn’t vote for LDS! I thought it was reasonable for a Baptist pastor to be critical of an LDS canidate at the time, especially when there were other choices. But if there weren’t other choices, even pastor Jeffress said he would hold his nose which I also thought was reasonable.

Freegards


38 posted on 06/22/2012 6:18:02 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: ontap

“...old enough to remember when it was Catholics who were portrayed in this despicable manor...

Me too.

Newt is the only one I sent $$ to, but voted Santorum in our caucus.
So, I’m in the same boat as you.


39 posted on 06/22/2012 6:19:04 AM PDT by G Larry (There's no hope of a safe landing when you hire a suicidal pilot!)
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To: Ransomed
How come he wasn’t accused of relativistic drivel at the time? I mean back then the sides were reversed, with all the LDS critics on FR supporting him for saying Christians shouldn’t vote for LDS! I thought it was reasonable for a Baptist pastor to be critical of an LDS canidate at the time, especially when there were other choices.

Good question...

Actually, Jeffress lives in Texas. Believe me, if Jeffress voted third party, Romney wouldn't miss his vote.

Or if ALL of Jeffress' church members voted third party, Romney still wouldn't miss tthose votes (he'd still win Texas).

Or, if ALL of Jeffress' residents in which he lives voted third party, Romney still wouldn't miss those votes (He'd still win Texas).

You get my drift?

IF pragmatic utilitarian political relativism works well enough to vote for Romney, then in every NON-SWING state, it works well enough to vote Third-Party!!!

If you subtract 100% of FREEPER votes in conservative states -- and don't give those votes to Obama, either (they vote third party) -- Romney STILL wins all those conservative states!

In an electoral state-by-state system, there is NO principled reason for FREEPERs to vote for Romney beyond swing states -- using pragmatic utilitarian political relativism with a conservative twist, that is!

Romney will still win the conservative states minus any given FREEPER's help; and Obama will still win the liberal states minus all the conservative and independent votes you can possibly round up!

If FREEPERS were true consistent conservatives, they would ONLY vie for Romney to win votes in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and similar swing states.

The fact that they don't consistently practice the pragmatic utilitarian political relativist ethic they build their public ethics upon shows they are indeed at their core relativists -- vs. principled conservatives with a political relativist tinge.

41 posted on 06/22/2012 6:30:10 AM PDT by Colofornian (As fundamentalist Mormons now are, Lds once were; as fundamentalist Mormons now are, Lds may become)
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To: Springfield Reformer
I guess your trying to denigrate Mormons for believing in the existence of this planet. I wonder which religions have certain beliefs they once had that they would just a soon forget about now. Truth of the matter is most religious beliefs are a matter of faith when it comes to some of their claims!!!
42 posted on 06/22/2012 6:30:49 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Colofornian
Boo Hoo.  If Bishop Romney can't stand the heat tell him to get out the h**l out of the kitchen.

Bishop Romney knew what he was going up against before he spent tens of millions in the primaries to get this far, so tough turkey if it's uncomfortable for him or his supporters. Whatever hits him it won't be any worse than what would be thrown at any Catholic who was the nominee and I bet some of the whiners would be in the front ranks of the "anti-Papist" propaganda crowd.

43 posted on 06/22/2012 6:32:51 AM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: GailA
If it talks like a Republican, votes like a demoRAT, signs legislation that only a demoRAT would sign they it must be a DEMORAT with a R after it’s name called a RINO!

With only his track record as Governor of California to look at, we could have said the same thing about Reagan 32 years ago. In fact, many conservatives in June of 1980 did say this.

44 posted on 06/22/2012 6:36:21 AM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: Colofornian

I expected to see a parentheses with “(Free Republic Mentioned)” after the article title.


45 posted on 06/22/2012 6:41:03 AM PDT by sockmonkey (I will vote for Romney to get Obama out of the White House..)
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To: cuban leaf

LOL! My sentiments exactly. Also, there is so little difference in the positions of Obama and Romney on the issues (both big-government, socially liberal, nanny-staters) that there’s no incentive to take the risk in voting for another member of a flaky cult.


46 posted on 06/22/2012 6:41:39 AM PDT by livius
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To: G Larry

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


47 posted on 06/22/2012 6:42:38 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Colofornian

Capitalist Mormon or Communist Muslim? Is there really a choice?


48 posted on 06/22/2012 6:45:18 AM PDT by A. Patriot (Re-electing Obama is like the Titanic backing up to hit the iceberg again.)
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To: G Larry

What’s ironic is I recall a couple of this group identified themselves as Pentecostal, which is considered a cult by many mainstream Christian denominations.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/fundamentalists/fund60.html


49 posted on 06/22/2012 6:51:30 AM PDT by mnehring (I'd rather be ruled by a competent Turk than an incompetent Christian - Martin Luther)
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To: mimaw

“The rest of us will hate them for selling their country out by being ignorant bigots.”

Ah, another hater. And since you believe your view is better, a bigot to boot.

This freedom thing is complicated, but of course, you have the right to hate.


50 posted on 06/22/2012 6:56:11 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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