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Heaven or here!!???
Faith | God-inspired

Posted on 06/24/2012 4:31:46 PM PDT by jesus4life

Heaven or here; where is your focus?


TOPICS: Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Ministry/Outreach
KEYWORDS: god; heaven; holyspirit; jesus; vanity
To all,

If we are focused truly on heaven, then what is the fight here??

Think. What are people trying to fight and keep here if their " real" home is in heaven??

Think today and everyday where your faith is, as well as the faith of Jesus Christ and ask yourself as a believer if you are focused more on matters here because you can't see heaven or what's after or are you truly trusting in the LORD and waiting in love for heaven;hereafter??

Please pray the LORD's PRAYER and please read:

ACTS 21:13-14

13 To this he replied, 'What are you doing, weeping and breaking my heart? For my part, I am ready not only to be bound but even to die in Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus.'

14 And so, as he would not be persuaded, we gave up the attempt, saying, 'The Lord's will be done.'

GOD BLESS US ALL,

Jesus4life

1 posted on 06/24/2012 4:32:01 PM PDT by jesus4life
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To: jesus4life

One life at a time.


2 posted on 06/24/2012 4:39:54 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: jesus4life

I don’t think you will ever get to Heaven unless you focus on “here”. To say otherwise is to call Jesus a fool... He had his place in Heaven assured as God’s Son, why did he pay any mind to us?


3 posted on 06/24/2012 4:45:00 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: jesus4life

I endeavor to live my life here as though I will be called Home to answer for it immediately.

It is when I lose that focus that I fail.


4 posted on 06/24/2012 4:48:10 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (Romney Sucks. Mutiny Now, or something.)
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To: jesus4life

Neither. The focus needs to be being WITH God.


5 posted on 06/24/2012 4:54:02 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (i a m t h e m a r g i n o f e r r e r)
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To: jesus4life

If we are focused truly on heaven, then what is the fight here??


This life is a fight for many, some of us have had to fight just to eat, others have had to fight just because they had to walk down the street, many people have died fighting to save the life of some one else, i don,t think i even have to say much about Hitlers police.

Many people die fighting in the name of love, many may have died fighting in the name of hate, to me that is the big difference.

Jesus died fighting for the truth.


6 posted on 06/24/2012 5:09:32 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: jesus4life

the Lord sets the battle here, otherwise why bother to oppose the evil one? this is where we receive our first testing.


7 posted on 06/24/2012 5:10:48 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: jesus4life

On earth, as it is in Heaven.


8 posted on 06/24/2012 5:18:12 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: jesus4life

Am in agreement with poster’s comments and your comments. My respect is yours jesus4life and for your loved ones, God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost. I fail. I think about my family, my children, my grandchildren, my yet to be born grandchildren and worry for them. I think about all the people subjected to slavery and war in many parts of this planet and I fail to rescue them. Please pray for me and I agree GOD BLESS US ALL, please, and may peace come Lord. In Jesus Name I pray. Amen. Amen.


9 posted on 06/24/2012 5:25:35 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: jesus4life

“You will eat by and by
In that wonderful land above the sky (way up high).
Work and pray, live on hay.
You’ll get pie in the sky when you die.”

—Joe Hill, 1911

(Joe Hill was executed for murder in 1915. Wonder if he got his pie?)


10 posted on 06/24/2012 5:35:35 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: jesus4life
..ask yourself as a believer if you are focused more on matters here because you can't see heaven

I think this is an excellent question and one that I have wondered about. Some of the very best believers, including our Lord Jesus, when confronted with death wishes for the cup to pass. Paul was very dispondent about dying. So was Moses. But most interesting was our Lord in the Garden who prayed that if there was another way that God would allow it.

I don't believe it's a lack of faith on people's part. I suspect the answer lies in the fact that God created everything around us so very good. What is waiting for us is the very best of things. It's simply difficult to tear ourselves away from the good things that God has given us for the best things that God has in store for us. Like going into a candy store and focusing on the gumdrops when the dark chocolate is right around the corner.

11 posted on 06/24/2012 5:38:43 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: jesus4life

My focus is totally on OH LOOK— a Squirrel!


12 posted on 06/24/2012 8:30:24 PM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: babygene

A mission would be reason why HE paid mind to us. “ Not my will but your will be done”.

GOD BLESS US ALL,

Jesus4life


13 posted on 06/25/2012 4:43:29 PM PDT by jesus4life
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To: ravenwolf

Jesus fought for the truth?? OR sacrificed?


14 posted on 06/25/2012 4:45:05 PM PDT by jesus4life
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To: HarleyD

Lol! funny, at least I know not to talk about sugar around you!! LOL!! But, see what you are trying to say.

GOD BLESS US ALL,

Jesus4lfie


15 posted on 06/25/2012 4:47:51 PM PDT by jesus4life
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To: jesus4life

Jesus fought for the truth?? OR sacrificed?


He was sacrificed as the lamb of God but it was a fight all of the way up to that point.

Telling people the truth is about the most dangerous battle you can be in.

I don,t know but i would bet that many of us on this site are most likely noticed by Government watch dogs, especially the ones who does much commenting on politics and say what they think about the Government scam.

Politics and Religion then as now are entwined.

What Jesus had to deal with was also part of Government, it was people in authority, it was not the ordinary sinners who took Jesus to the hill, put him on a cross and killed him, it was the authorities.

It was not the sinners who killed the first martyr which was Stephen it was at least condoned by the authorities in which by some accounts Saul who become Paul was among them, Paul himself talks about what he was involved in as an authority.

Also St peter was put in Jail after St James was killed by the authorities.

Although we only have a little in scriptures to go by it is pretty much agreed upon that all except one apostle died a martyrs death, and that would be St john and that exception is only because of lack of evidence and it seems they all died at the hands of the authorities.

I am not trying to make any arguments here except to say that to teach the truth is a battle.

Any one can have a religion, but to teach the real truth, that there really is a God( not just religion ) and that Jesus was the only begoten son of God and that he was taken to the cross and killed so that the rest of us can be free
is a pretty dangerous truth to be telling.

For most of my life and i am sure many lives before me the easiest and best thing to do was to be a Christian or at least pretend to be one, but that left room for too much pretentiousness, self righteouness and hypocriticalness and i believe that time is near the end.


Rev 6
9
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11
And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


16 posted on 06/26/2012 9:47:59 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf

Love the emotion behind your writing, but the question was just did HE fight or sacrifice??

GOD BLESS US ALL,

Jesus4life


17 posted on 06/26/2012 4:27:57 PM PDT by jesus4life
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To: ravenwolf

I see here you perceive that it was a fight for HIM up until HE was the sacrificial lamb. But remember, that it what HE was born and sent for.

There is a big difference from fighting and sacrificing. Very big.

HE knew HIS mission. HE was a sacrifice. HE never had to fight, as it says in the WORD that HE could bring angels to fight for HIM; but HE did not.

GOD BLESS US ALL,

Jesus4life


18 posted on 06/26/2012 4:31:20 PM PDT by jesus4life
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To: jesus4life

I see here you perceive that it was a fight for HIM up until HE was the sacrificial lamb. But remember, that it what HE was born and sent for.

There is a big difference from fighting and sacrificing. Very big.

HE knew HIS mission. HE was a sacrifice. HE never had to fight, as it says in the WORD that HE could bring angels to fight for HIM; but HE did not.

GOD BLESS US ALL,

Jesus4life


I understand what you are saying and on that premise i
agree, he came here for that purpose.

But you did not mention all of the other people who lost their lives in what i call the battle, Stephen for one who was not even commissioned to go out and witness for Jesus but did it any way.

Don,t you think they was in a fight?

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Paul is not talking about playing here, he is talking about fighting.

It is not always a fight with sword in hand, some times just a fight for survival, running or hiding to stay alive, word fights, and how about Jesus driving the money exchangers out of the temple with a whip?

John 2

13
And the Jews’ passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,

14
And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:

15
And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables;

Sounds to me like Jesus was ready for a fight that day, if some one done that to day they would be hunted down and charged with assault, they would be considered a dangerous man.

And those people did get out of there.


19 posted on 06/27/2012 7:42:14 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf

Stephen definitely did not fight.

The temple with JESUS was not a fight as well, it was a showing to not worship idols ( all HIS preaching mentions the same). HE hit no one.

Also HE is the sacrificial lamb for OUR SINS!!
The war is our spiritual warfare of cleaning ourselves daily through faith.
Sin only continues because all of us ( believer and non-believer) are the cause of it’s spread to others through no immediate repentance, confession to others of the sins, and more.....
The war is ourselves.

We see things by what is in our hearts.
If we want to fight, then a fight is what we see.
If we want peace, then peace is what we see.
If we want love, then love is what we see.

It’s all about what is in the heart.
The heart. The only place GOD knows and GOD judge.
The heart. The place that each human does not know about one another.

MATTHEW 5:1-12
And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:

2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

GOD BLESS US ALL,

Jesus4life


20 posted on 06/27/2012 5:21:20 PM PDT by jesus4life
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To: jesus4life

Stephen definitely did not fight.

The temple with JESUS was not a fight as well, it was a showing to not worship idols ( all HIS preaching mentions the same). HE hit no one.

Also HE is the sacrificial lamb for OUR SINS!!
The war is our spiritual warfare of cleaning ourselves daily through faith.
Sin only continues because all of us ( believer and non-believer) are the cause of it’s spread to others through no immediate repentance, confession to others of the sins, and more.....
The war is ourselves.


Stephen may not have not done any fighting in the physical sense but we don,t even know that and he was out there fighting along with the others, that is why they were in trouble with the authorities.

I also need to mention that , i believe it was Peter who cut off an ear, sounds like fighting to me.

If Jesus came into a Church today and run the people out with a whip and turned over the tables they would have the Fbi and the abtf plus all of the local cops after him, he would be a dangerous hunted down Man.

And you are right about one thing, our real fight is within our selves.

But we must not for get the other facts.


The temple with JESUS was not a fight as well, it was a showing to not worship idols ( all HIS preaching mentions the same). HE hit no one.

We do not know that he did not hit any one but that does not matter.

As you said your self


We see things by what is in our hearts.
If we want to fight, then a fight is what we see.
If we want peace, then peace is what we see.
If we want love, then love is what we see.

What do you suppose the scoundrels in the temple saw? was it a fight or was it love.

You can bet if Jesus came into a church today and took a whip to the money changers and turned over the tables it would be considered fighting.

Christians are being persecuted and killed in parts of the world today, including Egypt.

If some one was hunting me down to kill me do you think i would look upon it with love.


Matt 10
34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36
And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.

37
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

39
He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.


Jesus was talking about preaching the truth of the Gospel come hell or high water, you can call it what you will but i call it war.


21 posted on 06/27/2012 8:28:31 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf

Ravenwolf,

AMEN! Peter cut off the ear, and JESUS corrected him to not do so.

Here is some clarity for you in the HOly Precious name of JESUS CHRIST:

MATTHEW 26:51-54
51 And suddenly, one of the followers of Jesus grasped his sword and drew it; he struck the high priest’s servant and cut off his ear.

52 Jesus then said, ‘Put your sword back, for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.

53 Or do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, who would promptly send more than twelve legions of angels to my defence?

54 But then, how would the scriptures be fulfilled that say this is the way it must be?’

As far as Stephen and having problems with the authorities?? We should know just from history that many people who tell the truth in life have problems with various authorities without fighting. Truth makes people that lie feel very nervous and protective about what they think they own.

As far as what the people in the church were feeling?? NO more than what any of us feel when we sin. When you sin, you are a slave to sin. Simple.

As far as you not showing love to someone hunting you down? This would be you, as you just said.

But what JESUS says is to love all. This is all.

We can adopt and try to work our opinions and feelings in the gospel, but Jesus is very clear about what we should do:

1. Love the LORD with all our hearts
2. Love our neighbor as ourselves.
3. Love our enemies
4. Believe in the LORD, follow JESUS CHRIST, and listen to the HOly spirit ( those who hear HIM).
5. Confess HIS HOLY NAME amongst men.
6. Constantly stay in prayer, read the scriptures, confess, repent, and prepare ourselves for heaven which is our home; not here.
7. Live by example and constantly help others.

Simple, depending on where a person heart is at the moment.
But GOD will draw who HE wants.

As you put out the verses in MATTHEW!! AMEN!! Jesus comes to divide. HE also comes to judge. But not us. But out of the heart the mouth speaks. If this is where your heart is at the moment to feel you are in a war and must fight, then, it’s understood. Every man must be convinced in his own mind where he is. Till GOD changes him.

ACTS 15:8
8 And God, who can read everyone’s heart, showed his approval of them by giving the Holy Spirit to them just as he had to us.

1 SAMUEL 16:7
7 but Yahweh said to Samuel, ‘Take no notice of his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him; God does not see as human beings see; they look at appearances but Yahweh looks at the heart.’

JAMES 5:14-16

14 Any one of you who is ill should send for the elders of the church, and they must anoint the sick person with oil in the name of the Lord and pray over him.

15 The prayer of faith will save the sick person and the Lord will raise him up again; and if he has committed any sins, he will be forgiven.

16 So confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another to be cured; the heartfelt prayer of someone upright works very powerfully.

ACTS 10:36-43

36 ‘God sent his word to the people of Israel, and it was to them that the good news of peace was brought by Jesus Christ — he is the Lord of all.

37 You know what happened all over Judaea, how Jesus of Nazareth began in Galilee, after John had been preaching baptism.

38 God had anointed him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and because God was with him, Jesus went about doing good and curing all who had fallen into the power of the devil.

39 Now we are witnesses to everything he did throughout the countryside of Judaea and in Jerusalem itself: and they killed him by hanging him on a tree,

40 yet on the third day God raised him to life and allowed him to be seen,

41 not by the whole people but only by certain witnesses that God had chosen beforehand. Now we are those witnesses — we have eaten and drunk with him after his resurrection from the dead-

42 and he has ordered us to proclaim this to his people and to bear witness that God has appointed him to judge everyone, alive or dead.

43 It is to him that all the prophets bear this witness: that all who believe in Jesus will have their sins forgiven through his name.’

MARK 12:28-31
28 One of the scribes who had listened to them debating appreciated that Jesus had given a good answer and put a further question to him, ‘Which is the first of all the commandments?’

29 Jesus replied, ‘This is the first: Listen, Israel, the Lord our God is the one, only Lord,

30 and you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind and with all your strength.

31 The second is this: You must love your neighbour as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these.’

Love to all in the HOLY PRECIOUS NAME of JESUS CHRIST who lives and reigns among us for ever and ever.

GOD BLESS US ALL,

Jesus4life


22 posted on 06/27/2012 11:20:39 PM PDT by jesus4life
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To: jesus4life

Here is some clarity for you in the HOly Precious name of JESUS CHRIST:


Where did you think i came up with the idea that peter had cut off an ear in the first place?

There are two wars, one is the war people have with their selves.


[14] For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
[15] For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
[16] If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[17] Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[18] For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
[19] For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
[20] Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[21] I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
[22] For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
[23] But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
[24] O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
[25] I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

[23] But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, paul called it war.
The above explains the war Christians have with their self.

Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

] Eph 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].


The first war is with our own natural body.

The second war is with the devil whose world we dwell in.

Spiritual wickedness in high places is not some place in outer space it is right here on earth, in our government and in the Churches and in any other place where worldliness takes precedence over God.


Rev 12
17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus
Christ.

If we are living in the days and places where we are only familiar with the little brown Church in the vale it would be hard to see a war going on, but when that little brown Church in the vale gets bombed some sunday morning
maybe it would be easier to see the war, Egypt for example.

Matt 10
34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

That says it right there.


23 posted on 06/28/2012 7:32:08 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf

My brother. Both examples you gave are wars of the flesh.

As JESUS reminds us all to well that we can do nothing without GOD.

We are not strong enough to beat the devil without JESUS. There is no fight there; we would lose.

These wars you mentioned our the personal war of self.

GOD BLESS US ALL,

Jesus4life


24 posted on 06/28/2012 5:31:39 PM PDT by jesus4life
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To: donmeaker

AMEN!! THere is only ONE!! LOL!

GOD BLESS US ALL,

Jesus4life


25 posted on 06/28/2012 5:32:50 PM PDT by jesus4life
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To: dadfly

According to scriptures then, the evil one is the one that tempts people to sin.

Who fell to sin?
And everyday, if we truly have choice, then, we choose to sin.

The war is ourselves; personally. This is the war here.

This is why JESUS says, “ they worship me with their lips but their hearts are far from me”.

Many people dont want to love one another, and that’s what JESUS says we must do.

But if sin is in the heart, then love is impossible. Because sin makes us want to try to be GOD; which leads to sin. Because then we try to judge like only HE can; who knows all things.
GOD BLESS US ALL,

Jesus4life


26 posted on 06/28/2012 5:36:57 PM PDT by jesus4life
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To: InvisibleChurch

AMEN! Exactly.

GOD BLESS US ALL,

Jesus4life


27 posted on 06/28/2012 5:38:12 PM PDT by jesus4life
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To: jesus4life

My brother. Both examples you gave are wars of the flesh.

As JESUS reminds us all to well that we can do nothing without GOD.

We are not strong enough to beat the devil without JESUS. There is no fight there; we would lose.

These wars you mentioned our the personal war of self.

GOD BLESS US ALL,

Jesus4life


We are living in a body of flesh and blood, so yeah i guess you could say that.


28 posted on 06/28/2012 6:30:42 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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