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Russian Orthodox Official Seeking Alliances with China's Excommunicated Catholic Bishops?
Catholic Culture ^ | 6/26/12

Posted on 06/26/2012 1:30:17 PM PDT by marshmallow

The chief ecumenical officer of the Russian Orthodox Church has met with a leading figure in the Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association, in a gesture that suggests the Moscow patriarchate is seeking an alliance with China’s government-backed “official” Church.

Metropolitan Hilarion, who heads the External Relations department for the Moscow patriarchate, met with Bishop Ma Yinglin of Kunming, who is the vice-president of the Patriotic Association and president of the bishops’ conference recognized by the government. The Vatican does not recognize the Chinese bishops’ conference, and has ordered Catholics not to cooperate with the Patriotic Association.

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1 posted on 06/26/2012 1:30:24 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
Shame on Metropolitan Hilarion.
He is also a fool if he thinks that the Chinese will be nice to him because he is a traitor to the Catholic Church.
Two wrongs.
2 posted on 06/26/2012 1:35:20 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: marshmallow

That would be a disaster. The Orthodox Church is ancient. But it has often had a problem with cooperating too closely with secular authorities, from the Byzantine Emperors to the KGB under Stalin, and now with Putin.

In that regard, there is a certain resemblance between the Russian Orthodox Church and the official state Church in China.

But this would be a huge mistake to fall into.


3 posted on 06/26/2012 1:48:33 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: marshmallow

I could be wrong, but I think this is not a bad thing in itself.


4 posted on 06/26/2012 2:38:50 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998; Cicero; cloudmountain
I agree with vladimir. The Chinese issue with the Catholic Church is that they don't want their people to have an allegience to an outside entity

A Chinese Orthodox Church circumvents that

If the Orthodox Church in China remains true to orthodox (small o) beliefs, it is a step.

Orthodoxy's close relationship with authorities derives from historical reasoning as you know cicero

5 posted on 06/29/2012 1:04:10 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos
Part of being a Catholic is allegiance to the Pope, who is, according to Catholics the Vicar, Shepherd, appointed by Jesus to take after Peter, the Rock.
Those who deny that simply aren't Catholics.

The Chinese want total and absolute control of their people. They have it. They even dictate how many children their population can have.
The Chinese mentality has always been to favor SONS. The boys STILL have the advantage despite the Chinese changing inheritance laws and such. Millions of girls fetuses are still aborted. So many girls have died before birth that there is a whole generation of males who can't find wives because there AREN'T any. These men are called the Bare Branches.

There can be NO good outcome of the Chinese controlling the Chinese Orthodox Church, even though many Orthodox may settle for the "half loaf."

There WILL be some Orthodox Chinese who hold true to their faith, as there are Catholic Chinese who hold true to their faith, but the Orthodox will EVENTUALLY have to go underground, as Catholics have had to do. It will happen no matter what. That's what the commies do. There is no way to dance around the inevitability of it.

The Russian Orthodoxy's close relationship to authority may NOT translate so smoothly in the world of Chinese communism. Religion is NOT part of the Chinese COMMIE world view as Christianity requires serving the Lord, not The Chairman. Christians know that Jesus is the final authority, not The Chairman. Thus, persecution of Christians. How can the two co-exist in China? If it's a TRUE Christianity it can't happen. One can't serve two masters. The Chinese don't buy into the "Render unto Caesar" routine. I don't see it.

6 posted on 06/30/2012 6:15:53 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain
Part of being a Catholic is allegiance to the Pope, who is, according to Catholics the Vicar, Shepherd, appointed by Jesus to take after Peter, the Rock. Those who deny that simply aren't Catholics.

They may not be Roman Catholics but they certainly can be Orthodox Catholics.

7 posted on 07/02/2012 7:46:01 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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