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USCCB responds to SCOTUS health care ruling
Patheos ^ | June 28, 2012 | Deacon Greg Kendra

Posted on 06/29/2012 3:15:28 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

The bishops released a statement a short time ago:

Today the United States Supreme Court issued a decision upholding as a tax the provision of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) that requires individuals to purchase a health plan—the so-called “individual mandate.”

For nearly a century, the Catholic bishops of the United States have been and continue to be consistent advocates for comprehensive health care reform to ensure access to life-affirming health care for all, especially the poorest and the most vulnerable. Although the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) did not participate in these cases and took no position on the specific questions presented to the Court, USCCB’s position on health care reform generally and on ACA particularly is a matter of public record. The bishops ultimately opposed final passage of ACA for several reasons.

First, ACA allows use of federal funds to pay for elective abortions and for plans that cover such abortions, contradicting longstanding federal policy.The risk we identified in this area has already materialized, particularly in the initial approval by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) of “high risk” insurance pools that would have covered abortion.

Second, the Act fails to include necessary language to provide essential conscience protection, both within and beyond the abortion context.We have provided extensive analyses of ACA’s defects with respect to both abortion and conscience.The lack of statutory conscience protections applicable to ACA’s new mandates has been illustrated in dramatic fashion by HHS’s “preventive services” mandate, which forces religious and other employers to cover sterilization and contraception, including abortifacient drugs.

Third, ACA fails to treat immigrant workers and their families fairly.ACA leaves them worse off by not allowing them to purchase health coverage in the new exchanges created under the law, even if they use their own money.This undermines the Act’s stated goal of promoting access to basic life-affirming health care for everyone, especially for those most in need.

Following enactment of ACA, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) has not joined in efforts to repeal the law in its entirety, and we do not do so today. The decision of the Supreme Court neither diminishes the moral imperative to ensure decent health care for all, nor eliminates the need to correct the fundamental flaws described above.We therefore continue to urge Congress to pass, and the Administration to sign, legislation to fix those flaws.



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For nearly a century, the Catholic bishops of the United States have been and continue to be consistent advocates for comprehensive health care reform to ensure access to life-affirming health care for all, especially the poorest and the most vulnerable. Although the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) did not participate in these cases and took no position on the specific questions presented to the Court, USCCB’s position on health care reform generally and on ACA particularly is a matter of public record....

....Following enactment of ACA, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) has not joined in efforts to repeal the law in its entirety, and we do not do so today. The decision of the Supreme Court neither diminishes the moral imperative to ensure decent health care for all, nor eliminates the need to correct the fundamental flaws described above....

As the article states, "the bishops ultimately opposed final passage of ACA for several reasons". The reasons the USCCB opposed the legislation were these:


1 posted on 06/29/2012 3:15:36 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Catholics are socialists. John Roberts is a Catholic. The Supreme Court has 5 Catholics and 3 Jewish people. While Clarence Thomas is also a Catholic, he is an exception because the socialist trend that can be traced to the church is a concept not usually seen among black Catholics. Their reasons for supporting the Democrats are usually different.


2 posted on 06/29/2012 3:21:08 PM PDT by JimWayne
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To: Alex Murphy
"For nearly a century,..."

For nearly six months you have not posted anything and your first post back is a piece excerpting lines critical of the USCCB. Tell me again that you don't have an agenda.

Peace be with you.

3 posted on 06/29/2012 3:22:02 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: JimWayne

As a recent convert, I take exception to you saying Catholics are socialists. I am far from a Socialist, but find my Savior in the Catholic faith more than I did as a follower of Obama’s sister congregation in the UCC. In fact, his being the Synod speaker before his election was my pivoting point in looking for a new Church.

Do the Catholics have their faults: Yes. I was turned off in the brief subsection of “social justice”.

Are the Catholics just as uncomfortable? I dare say yes, judging by how I was met by this question. Under Obama, Catholics have had their Social Justice subverted. Not Government mandated Social Justice, but Charitable Social Justice, is the subject. That seems to me, gets confused.


4 posted on 06/29/2012 3:43:10 PM PDT by surroundedinCT
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To: Natural Law
From the article "For nearly a century, the Catholic bishops of the United States have been and continue to be consistent advocates for comprehensive health care"

For 30 hours the dominate news is the Supreme court and nationalized health care, and on freerepublic, you don't want it discussed?

What bizarre anti-conservative agenda must you have?

5 posted on 06/29/2012 3:47:57 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Alex Murphy

Alex — long time no see.


6 posted on 06/29/2012 3:48:16 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: surroundedinCT

Conservatives are trying to unravel the hold that the democrat party and Catholic church has over the Catholic voter and part of that is analyzing Catholic leadership and teachings.

You may not know that Catholic Christians are a democrat voting block and always have been.


7 posted on 06/29/2012 3:53:33 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: surroundedinCT

Conservatives are trying to unravel the hold that the democrat party and Catholic church has over the Catholic voter and part of that is analyzing Catholic leadership and teachings.

You may not know that Catholic Christians are a democrat voting block and always have been.


8 posted on 06/29/2012 3:53:33 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12
"What bizarre anti-conservative agenda must you have?"

Not nearly so anti or bizarre as some FReeper's anti-Catholic agenda.

"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first." - John 15:18

Peace be with you

9 posted on 06/29/2012 3:55:25 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law

If you want to defend that 100 year record of liberals pushing for nationalized health care then do it, so far your posts are nothing but an attempt to hijack the thread and to stop any of us from learning anything about this.

This can be a start to understanding the almost perfect record for more than a hundred years of Catholics supporting Democrats and their agenda.


10 posted on 06/29/2012 4:23:44 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: surroundedinCT
In fact, his being the Synod speaker before his election was my pivoting point in looking for a new Church.

Why not one of the churches whose adherents have a culture of supporting the free-market? Protestants fled Europe to escape socialism imposed by the Catholics.

11 posted on 06/29/2012 4:28:01 PM PDT by JimWayne
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To: ansel12; Religion Moderator
"so far your posts are nothing but an attempt to hijack the thread..."

That is an attempt at mind reading.

My intention is not to hijack the thread, but to prevent the hijacking of the issue for use in another attack on Catholicism and Catholics.

‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ - Matthew 25:45

Peace be with you.

12 posted on 06/29/2012 4:32:32 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law
Here's the whole story.

USCCB responds to SCOTUS health care ruling

The bishops released a statement a short time ago:

Today the United States Supreme Court issued a decision upholding as a tax the provision of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) that requires individuals to purchase a health plan—the so-called “individual mandate.”

For nearly a century, the Catholic bishops of the United States have been and continue to be consistent advocates for comprehensive health care reform to ensure access to life-affirming health care for all, especially the poorest and the most vulnerable.Although the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) did not participate in these cases and took no position on the specific questions presented to the Court, USCCB’s position on health care reform generally and on ACA particularly is a matter of public record.The bishops ultimately opposed final passage of ACA for several reasons.

First, ACA allows use of federal funds to pay for elective abortions and for plans that cover such abortions, contradicting longstanding federal policy.The risk we identified in this area has already materialized, particularly in the initial approval by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) of “high risk” insurance pools that would have covered abortion.

Second, the Act fails to include necessary language to provide essential conscience protection, both within and beyond the abortion context.We have provided extensive analyses of ACA’s defects with respect to both abortion and conscience.The lack of statutory conscience protections applicable to ACA’s new mandates has been illustrated in dramatic fashion by HHS’s “preventive services” mandate, which forces religious and other employers to cover sterilization and contraception, including abortifacient drugs.

Third, ACA fails to treat immigrant workers and their families fairly.ACA leaves them worse off by not allowing them to purchase health coverage in the new exchanges created under the law, even if they use their own money.This undermines the Act’s stated goal of promoting access to basic life-affirming health care for everyone, especially for those most in need.

Following enactment of ACA, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) has not joined in efforts to repeal the law in its entirety, and we do not do so today.The decision of the Supreme Court neither diminishes the moral imperative to ensure decent health care for all, nor eliminates the need to correct the fundamental flaws described above.We therefore continue to urge Congress to pass, and the Administration to sign, legislation to fix those flaws.


13 posted on 06/29/2012 4:47:20 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Natural Law
Jey praragraph that was omitted because the Bishops say it still has faults and those need to be fixed.

The decision of the Supreme Court neither diminishes the moral imperative to ensure decent health care for all, nor eliminates the need to correct the fundamental flaws described above.We therefore continue to urge Congress to pass, and the Administration to sign, legislation to fix those flaws.

14 posted on 06/29/2012 4:49:03 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Natural Law

My intention is to learn more about this 100 year effort by the Catholic denomination to nationalize American health care, today is the first I have heard of this.


15 posted on 06/29/2012 4:50:29 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Salvation
For nearly a century, the Catholic bishops of the United States have been and continue to be consistent advocates for comprehensive health care reform to ensure access to life-affirming health care for all,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

U.S. Bishops: Socialists/communists for “nearly a century”!

( They are breaking the first Commandment. They worship government and God is merely an afterthought. )

16 posted on 06/29/2012 4:52:18 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: Natural Law
My intention is not to hijack the thread, but to prevent the hijacking of the issue for use in another attack on Catholicism and Catholics.

I get confused about conservatism when some Catholic freepers post against what I took to be conservative views.

Are conservatives against the government taking over health care, or for it?

17 posted on 06/29/2012 4:55:07 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Salvation

oops

The paragraph...


18 posted on 06/29/2012 5:00:40 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: wintertime

**( They are breaking the first Commandment. They worship government and God is merely an afterthought. )**

Where are you getting this idea? Can you explain this?

The Liturgy of the Word focuses on Jesus Christ. (Other readings are read in addition to a Gospel.)
The Liturgy of the Eucharist focuses completely on Jesus Christ.


19 posted on 06/29/2012 5:03:26 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ansel12

Do you have some examples?

Are you really confused? Or are you just saying that?


20 posted on 06/29/2012 5:04:39 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Yes, this thread, are conservatives supposed to be for the 100 year effort of the Catholic church to do this to America, or against it?


21 posted on 06/29/2012 5:14:00 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

What do you think Jesus would say? What did he say in the Beatitudes?

What did God say in the Old Testament in the Commandments given to Moses?


22 posted on 06/29/2012 5:26:29 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ansel12

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2901106/posts?page=14#14

I’m with the Bishops. There are still many faults in this so called healthcare nonsense, and they need to be addressed.

Am I or you supposed to be taxed up the ying yang so that someone else can have an abortion?

I don’t want to pay that tax, if that is how my money is going to be spent? Would you want your money spent that way?


23 posted on 06/29/2012 5:29:16 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

So I take it that is the way a Catholic says that yes, the 100 year effort to socialize medicine in America was good and that it is conservative to support that.


24 posted on 06/29/2012 5:36:01 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Salvation

I believe there is confusion by some between the Catholic Church’s position as it relates to providing life-affirming health care for all and the insistence by some that health care be provided/paid for by the government.

Apparently, some have no idea the extent of the Catholic Church’s long established healthcare complex, from hospitals, to hospices, nursing homes, etc. If, as they said they would, the Catholic bishops shut down all the church-related healthcare facilities, the US would be in very serious trouble.

Those Catholic Church-related facilities have provided scaled-fee or free services to the poor and vulnerable of any denomination for generations. And, they have provided the services far better than the govt could ever do.


25 posted on 06/29/2012 5:36:43 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Salvation

So the left is right? Jesus is against conservatism and wants socialism to take over America?

The push to replace Americans with immigrants is part of this leftist agenda of the Catholic church and the majority of Catholic voters.

This is another one of those educational threads for me, I see it in the Catholic vote, but I didn’t know that it was so fundamental to the Catholic agenda in America.


26 posted on 06/29/2012 5:40:29 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

That is NOT what I said.


27 posted on 06/29/2012 5:48:28 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ansel12

This is NOT what I said.


28 posted on 06/29/2012 5:49:24 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: EDINVA

Ed,
I like your words, life-affirming healthcare.

Thanks.


29 posted on 06/29/2012 5:50:10 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: surroundedinCT

Recent convert and I take exception to the socialist comment. Hell the USCCB is suing the feds over Obamacare. That’s more than can be said for SCOTUS. At least someone is standing up for the freedoms of Americans.


30 posted on 06/29/2012 5:59:45 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: Salvation

I don’t see how any Catholic in good conscience can pay the fine.


31 posted on 06/29/2012 6:01:55 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: Salvation

I asked you “are conservatives supposed to be for the 100 year effort of the Catholic church to do this to America, or against it?”

I interpreted your answer as a yes and then I thought that you said something about Jesus wanting the United States to socialize medicine.


32 posted on 06/29/2012 6:20:10 PM PDT by ansel12
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Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.


33 posted on 06/29/2012 6:24:25 PM PDT by narses
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To: Alex Murphy

I wonder why the Bishops do not come out strongly for repeal of Obamacare.It is a very bad law and yes it now the law of the land.The law is for abortion and euthanasia.The Bishops are supporting Obama in his quest for European Socialized Medicine which allows for more abortions,euthanasia and killing young defective chidren.The Bishops have been poorly informed on the dangers of this law from the beginning.
As with Roe v Wade Obama got his law.He does not care how.We must now repeal Obamacare and repeal Obama.


34 posted on 06/29/2012 6:28:02 PM PDT by ardara
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To: ansel12; Religion Moderator

**I thought that you said something about Jesus wanting the United States to socialize medicine.**

Is your mind-reading flawed?


35 posted on 06/29/2012 6:30:49 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Post 22 wasn’t about God wanting America to socialize medicine?


36 posted on 06/29/2012 6:33:48 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ardara; Alex Murphy
I wonder why the Bishops do not come out strongly for repeal of Obamacare

Because it is not the bishops' role in life to figure out the provision of health care. It is their role to oppose making every American complicit in abortion and provision of contraception through ACA, and that is what they are doing.

If the Protestants, being a bunch of spineless cowards, did not rolled over and played good puppy to the government on moral acceptability of contraception, we would not have any of that, by the way.

Gee thanks Luther, you damn jerk.

37 posted on 06/29/2012 6:39:53 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: ansel12

The Beatitudes are greatly misunderstood by some.

Right now, are we not the persecuted?

“Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness sake.”

Isn’t having to pay for contraceptive coverage and abortions for non-believers wonderful....../sarcasm off

Yes, Catholics and good Christians are being persecuted right now.

“Blessed are the lowly for they shall inherit the earth.”

In a recent Old Testament reading, all the craftsmen and rich people were sent off to Babylon, and only the lowly were left in Israel — the very poor. Yet Christ says they will be blessed.

It has nothing to do with social justice.

Without Christ, there is no social justice — I believe that’s an Archbishop Chaput quote.


38 posted on 06/29/2012 6:50:13 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: annalex

The Bishops supported a law that provides for more abortion and euthanasia.


39 posted on 06/29/2012 6:51:39 PM PDT by ardara
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To: surroundedinCT

and there is a failure likely in your parish and mine to promote subsidiarity. The Church built many of the hospitals in this country, the Church should do a better job supporting medical missionary work to rural areas in this country. That and listening to doctors regarding tort reform would address a lot of the true ‘access’ issues we have in this country.


40 posted on 06/29/2012 7:03:43 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: Salvation

100 years of the Catholic church pushing to socialize America, and that predates abortion of course, it goes back into a time when the goal was pure socialism.

I can see why Catholics choose people like Obama and Clinton, and Al Gore, it is the left wing political agenda that they embrace.


41 posted on 06/29/2012 7:08:27 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: annalex

The Protestants voted against Obama as they do every democrat candidate for president.

Catholics voted for Obama, and as we learn here, they have been pushing for socializing medicine for a 100 years.

Personally I consider conservatives better voters and the liberal voters as spineless cowards and good puppies to government.


42 posted on 06/29/2012 7:13:02 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Salvation
"Here's the whole story."

Thank you, but I had already read it, but it was clear that those so anxious to turn the issue into an exercise in anti-Catholicism did not. Even the editing of the article for the purpose of posting was dishonest.

I have said it before, but Catholics are treated differently by the secular world because we are different. Individualism is a great working principle for the secular world; for business, and constitutional politics, but it is antithetical for a Church based upon charity and social justice. Catholics are called to communion and unity in the body of Christ. Our mission requires that we serve Jesus by serving those the world has rejected, those the world has abused, the broken, and the sinners. We are called to forgive those who hate us. The world will hate us for this, but it hated Him too.

Peace be with you

43 posted on 06/29/2012 7:19:28 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I was looking for the part where the bishops opposed the law, because it violated the commandment that “y’all shalt not steal”. Funny... I couldn’t find it.


44 posted on 06/29/2012 7:22:32 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: ansel12; Sirius Lee; lilycicero; MaryLou1; glock rocks; JPG; Monkey Face; RIghtwardHo; ...
ansel12 wrote:
The Protestants voted against Obama as they do every democrat candidate for president.
Uh, no, that just isn't true. How the Faithful Voted
Overall, 45% of Protestants voted for the Democrat, an increase of five points since 2004.

45 posted on 06/29/2012 7:24:05 PM PDT by narses
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To: Natural Law
"FReeper's anti-Catholic agenda."

What about the bishops' anti-"y'all shalt not steal" agenda? Address that and quit trying to change the subject to some imaginary persecution complex.

46 posted on 06/29/2012 7:26:33 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: narses

Uh yes, the Protestant vote as it always does went Republican.

54% of Protestants voted pro-life Republican, just as 54% of the members of the Roman Catholic denomination voted pro-abortion Democrat.


47 posted on 06/29/2012 7:31:22 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Natural Law

BTTT!


48 posted on 06/29/2012 7:40:21 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Natural Law; ansel12; Religion Moderator

>> “That is an attempt at mind reading.” <<

.
Nonsense; its an assessment of facts in evidence.


49 posted on 06/29/2012 7:42:10 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: ansel12
Please read what I type. I don't like words being put in my mouth.

“Catholic social ministry begins and ends with Jesus Christ,” he said. “If it doesn’t, it isn’t Catholic.”

Archbishop Chaput


50 posted on 06/29/2012 7:42:43 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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