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“Jesus Didn’t Condemn Homosexuality”
Apologetics Press ^ | Not Dated | Kyle Butt, M.A.

Posted on 06/30/2012 6:03:19 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta

By and large, the American culture is aggressively promoting the sinful lifestyle of homosexuality. In the midst of such pressure, many people who call themselves Christians are caving in and accepting this perverted lifestyle in spite of God’s clear teachings against it (Butt, 2003). Just recently, the country singer Carrie Underwood stated that her Christian faith lead her to support gay marriage (Nilles, 2012). In truth, the life and teachings of Jesus Christ could never be accurately understood to lead a person to conclude that homosexual marriage is moral (Miller and Harrub, 2004).

One of the most common arguments made in support of homosexuality is that Jesus Christ did not explicitly condemn the practice. Supposedly, since Jesus never stated specifically: “Homosexuality is a sin,” then His failure to denounce the lifestyle can be interpreted to mean that He approved of it. This reasoning is riddled with error.

First, Jesus explained to His followers that He did not have time to teach them everything they needed to know. He told them that the Holy Spirit would bring to their remembrance all that He had taught, and would include additional teaching that He had not had time to cover. He told His disciples: “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth has come, He will guide you into all truth” (John 16:12-13). When we look to the inspired writings of the New Testament, we see the authors boldly and specifically condemning the practice based on the revelation they received from the Holy Spirit (Miller and Harrub, 2004). Thus, it is wrong to suggest that only the “words in red” are Jesus’ teachings. On the contrary, He foretold that more teaching would be done after His return to heaven due to the fact that the apostles “could not bear” all of it at the time.

Second, even if Jesus did not explicitly condemn the practice (though He actually did, as will be noted later), that certainly could not be used as evidence that He condoned the practice. For instance, where does Jesus explicitly state that bestiality is wrong? Where in the New Testament does Jesus state that polygamy is wrong? Where are the “words in red” that specifically condemn pedophilia? Are we to suppose that the Son of God condoned using crystal meth because there is not an explicit statement from Jesus’ mouth that says “do not smoke crystal meth?” The idea that silence from Jesus on a subject means He approved of or condoned the practice cannot be substantiated.

Finally, it must be considered that Jesus did, in fact, speak against homosexuality. On numerous occasions, Jesus condemned the sins of adultery (Matthew 19:18), sexual immorality (Matthew 19:9) and fornication (Matthew 15:19). These terms describe any type of sexual intercourse that is not within the confines of a marriage ordained by God. Jesus then proceeded to define exactly what God views as a morally permissible marriage. He stated:

Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh”? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate. (Matthew 19:4-6).

By defining marriage as between one male and one female, Jesus effectively condemned all other arrangements, including but not limited to one man and two women, one woman and two men, three men and one woman, three men and three women, one man and one man, one woman and one animal, etc. You can see the overwhelming logic of such. For Jesus to have to explicitly condemn every assortment of genders and numbers would be absurd. When He defined marriage between one man and one woman, He clearly showed that such an arrangement is the only one authorized by God.

Several years ago a man named Cory Moore “legally married his 2004 Cherry ES-335” Gibson guitar (“Man Marries Guitar,” 2007). He said: “The day I got her, I just knew she was the one…. I know it seems weird, but I really love her—like, really love her, with all my heart. I just wanted to make it official” (2007). Are we to conclude that because Jesus never specifically condemned a man marrying his guitar then the Son of God approved of such? To ask is to answer. In 2006, 41-year-old Sharon Tendler married a dolphin (“Woman Marries Dolphin,” 2006). Jesus never said one word explicitly about refraining from marrying a dolphin. Does that mean His “silence” should be viewed as approval? Not in any way.

Homosexuality is a sin. It always has been, and it always will be. The inspired New Testament writers repeatedly teach that to be the case. Jesus explained that the Holy Spirit would bring to the inspired writers information that they could not handle at the time of His departing. In addition, Jesus did explicitly define marriage as being between one man and one woman. The ruse to suggest that Jesus approves of homosexuality because He never expressly condemned it cannot be sustained logically, nor can it be defended on any type of moral grounds. The person who presumes to claim to be a Christian, and yet supports homosexuality, misunderstands the teachings of Christ and needs to repent and stop approving of a perverted, destructive practice that Jesus condemns (Matthew 19:1-9).


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1 posted on 06/30/2012 6:03:23 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Turning Sodom into a smoking crater isn’t condemnation?


2 posted on 06/30/2012 6:04:55 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

Did you read the article?


3 posted on 06/30/2012 6:08:25 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta (In the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Well obviously not. Duh.

LOL


4 posted on 06/30/2012 6:10:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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5 posted on 06/30/2012 6:14:11 PM PDT by narses
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Excellent post.
Bad title, but excellent post.


6 posted on 06/30/2012 6:15:15 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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Baptist ping


7 posted on 06/30/2012 6:15:15 PM PDT by WKB (There are too many coincidences in this world...... for this world to be a coincidence.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Jesus did specify that pedophiles should get the death penalty.

He also.never said Jewish law, which condemns homosexual conduct, was wrong in any particular.


8 posted on 06/30/2012 6:18:13 PM PDT by Argus
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Oh, please.

Homosexuality is unnatural, unChristian and just plain wrong. It’s not hard.


9 posted on 06/30/2012 6:18:32 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

The immature are very talented at “parsing words.” Remember being told, “I better not catch you doing XXXX.” You and your friends interpreted as “I can XXXX as long as I don’t get caught.

The people looking for justification for sinful behavior are immature. If they were emotionally mature and still wanted to practice the behavior, they would simply do it without regard to justification.


10 posted on 06/30/2012 6:21:55 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Rev 6: 3-4)
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To: Tau Food

Read the article.


11 posted on 06/30/2012 6:27:57 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Argus

He also.never said Jewish law, which condemns homosexual conduct, was wrong in any particular.


Jesus seemed to have removed the dietary laws and the ban on associating with gentiles, both in Acts Chap 10.


12 posted on 06/30/2012 6:29:29 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Rev 6: 3-4)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

 

Freedom not Sodom!


There's freedom in America, the land of the red white and blue;

but there still must be laws, things you just can't do.


You can't marry your sister, your brother, or the family pet;

a sheep, or a goat - at least not yet!


That how is it with homosexuality, what the Bible calls sodomy;

men lying with men as with women, is perversity!


That they're not designed that way, tis easy to perceive,

but yielding to sinful desires, man is soon deceived.


A moral wrong is not a civil right; like the sin itself, that's confusion;

calling evil good and exchanging light for darkness, is sure delusion!


History tells us where this will lead, from societies now in dust,

When a nation casts off the laws of God, and follows it's own lusts.


Promoting a sin which sends one to Hell from an early grave,

dishonors God and robs man of the Life He gave.


There's but one answer: the Risen Jesus gave Himself for our sins;

Repent and believe, then truly follow Him!

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Gal. 6:18 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Rom. 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

1Cor. 6:9-11 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.


 


13 posted on 06/30/2012 6:33:52 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

I pointed those scriptures to a coworker of mine. He said he wasn’t a Christian. Those were rules for us, not him. I stopped arguing right then and there.


14 posted on 06/30/2012 6:35:17 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Jesus Christ is God incarnate. His name is The Word of God.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

The people already had the Old Testament. They already knew what God had said about immorality and sexual sins, including homosexuality.


15 posted on 06/30/2012 6:35:30 PM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

God made man and women uniquely compatible and complimentary, in more ways than the physical aspect, and only joined them in marriage. (Gn. 2:18-24; Mt. 19:3-5) Homosexual unions are condemned by God in the Scriptures by design and decree, in principle and in precept.

However, some of the first Christians were likely former homosexuals, (1Cor. 6:9-11) and there is room at the cross for all who want the Lord Jesus over sin, and believe upon Him to save them who died for them, and rose again. And who thus are baptized and follow Him, to the glory of God.


16 posted on 06/30/2012 6:45:16 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

The polygamists say that the LORD Jesus Christ also condoned serial adultery...


17 posted on 06/30/2012 6:47:04 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Nothing like an ill worded title to bring out the non-article reading Freepers. :>)


18 posted on 06/30/2012 6:47:38 PM PDT by WKB (There are too many coincidences in this world...... for this world to be a coincidence.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Homosexuality succeeded in certain societies. Eg. Greece & Rome.

It did not succeed in countries such as Judea and other countries that were small enough to not become despotic.

Islam was against Homosexuality but under Mohamed that started to change (very quickly).


19 posted on 06/30/2012 6:49:32 PM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Matthew 5:17


20 posted on 06/30/2012 6:49:42 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Liberals vote the way they feel, conservatives vote the way they think. NRA <BCC><)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Well then Yashua didn’t condemn smoking or snorting cocaine either so I guess by that logic it’s okay.


21 posted on 06/30/2012 6:49:56 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Ambition Without Talent Is Sad - Talent Without Ambition Is Worse")
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To: Dallas59

homosexuality doesn’t make sense to the average person who believes in survival of the fittest and procreation for evolution of the species, unless I missed something.


22 posted on 06/30/2012 6:52:52 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Dallas59
I pointed those scriptures to a coworker of mine. He said he wasn’t a Christian. Those were rules for us, not him. I stopped arguing right then and there.

Good Man. It is a wise man who knows not to waste oxygen on an argument with the ignorant.

23 posted on 06/30/2012 6:54:17 PM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

And the N.T. establishes the distinction btwn ceremonial typological laws and moral laws, and which exist in more than one type. But which does not translate into an abrogation of basic moral laws, which the N.T. manifestly upholds, esp. as regards sexual immorality.

See http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Homosex_versus_the_Bible.html for an extensive examination of prohomosexual polemics, by the grace of God.


24 posted on 06/30/2012 6:55:22 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: SkyDancer; GiovannaNicoletta

Friendly fire? Read the article if you think it is supporting the title.


25 posted on 06/30/2012 6:59:54 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Bookmark


26 posted on 06/30/2012 7:01:26 PM PDT by sport
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To: cripplecreek

Anyone notice the authors last name. Just saying.


27 posted on 06/30/2012 7:01:26 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.

These words have been used to forbid divorce

That didn't work too well
28 posted on 06/30/2012 7:04:22 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: WestwardHo

“Jesus Christ is God incarnate. His name is The Word of God.”

The Word......

The Law.

The fulfillment of the Law, Incarnate, is the Messiah.

The sword coming from the Messiah’s mouth is the Word which will divide and rend asunder... It will distinguish who will stand with Him and who will be numbered with the apostates and those who will NOT turn from their wicked ways.

The Law is eternal, unchangeable.... immutable.... and carries an immense penalty (unless one is in God’s grace and shelter).

It has NOT been abrogated or done away with.

Until those who practice perversion turn from their wicked ways, and call upon the Lord of Heaven, and ask for forgiveness, they will reap what they sow.

And it will be the whirlwind of destruction. (again, if they are outside God’s grace.)


29 posted on 06/30/2012 7:06:50 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Great article.


30 posted on 06/30/2012 7:07:39 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

So much for “Jesus Take the Wheel.” I guess Carrie decided she wanted to drive instead. No pun intended.


31 posted on 06/30/2012 7:09:42 PM PDT by ducttape45
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To: daniel1212
However, some of the first Christians were likely former homosexuals, (1Cor. 6:9-11) and there is room at the cross for all who want the Lord Jesus over sin, and believe upon Him to save them who died for them, and rose again. And who thus are baptized and follow Him, to the glory of God.

Exactly!

And it is ONLY through the cross that Homosexuality can be cured as it is both a sin and a disease brought on the individual by continually choosing to server self over God.

Furthermore, all sin, can only be cured through the cross; it is the only method/cure given to man to resolve the issue of sin in man.
32 posted on 06/30/2012 7:14:23 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: cripplecreek
Jesus did that? Who would have thought...
33 posted on 06/30/2012 7:17:24 PM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: starlifter

Nuked it from orbit.

It was the only way to be sure.


34 posted on 06/30/2012 7:21:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: WKB
Nothing like an ill worded title to bring out the non-article reading Freepers. :>)

Yes, it seems to work every time!     ;^}

35 posted on 06/30/2012 7:22:53 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: huldah1776

So if one is an evolutionist, it makes no sense; homosexuals cannot naturally procreate and then take advantage of “survival of the fittest”.

Also if one is a creationist it makes no sense from that perspective. (God created male and female....) there is no procreation for homosexuals there either.

It seems that all bases are covered in regards to rebuttals to homosexuality.

In my opinion, there are two genders, and two alone.

Anything else is a state of mind (and soul/spirit) that ignores physical and spiritual reality.


36 posted on 06/30/2012 7:24:02 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
i'm prolly wrong but, i don't remember him condemning murder either, so...
37 posted on 06/30/2012 7:24:07 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Preaching to the perverted is like giving singing lessons to a pig.

It's expensive, it doesn't work, and it annoys the pig.

Pray for them, but don't hold much hope. Few of them return from the madness they impart upon themselves.

38 posted on 06/30/2012 7:28:07 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

I’m a Buddhist and in Buddhism scriptures are very clearly written that homosexual is against the precepts.
I’m wondering if I can use it to against the homosexual...just wondering.....
By the way it was written almost 3000 years ago and taught for 3000 years. So now Buddhism is BAD & Evil?


39 posted on 06/30/2012 7:32:45 PM PDT by color_tear
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Jesus absolutely condemned homosexual behavior, when He (the Holy Spirit) inspired Paul to write of its evil.


40 posted on 06/30/2012 7:35:09 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: uncbob

Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.

These words have been used to forbid divorce

That didn’t work too well


Jesus told the Pharisees that God allowed them divorce because the were a “Stiff Necked” people.


41 posted on 06/30/2012 7:35:58 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Rev 6: 3-4)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Jesus didn't have to condemn homosexuality. He never condemned prostitution either.

If we look at the story of the Woman at the Well, what did Jesus do? He never condemned. He forgave her of her sins, and told her to "go and sin no more."

That same example is directly applicable to all sinners, whether prostitutes, homosexuals, or whatever.

Go and sin no more.

42 posted on 06/30/2012 7:36:55 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Chode

He condemned it when He handed down the Ten Commandments.


43 posted on 06/30/2012 7:37:51 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: WestwardHo

Exactly what I’ve thought.


44 posted on 06/30/2012 7:39:28 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Don't be afraid to see what you see. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: daniel1212
It seems that the Apostle Paul writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit wrote: Romans 1:18-27

For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

So with that, I am unsure of what you mean.

45 posted on 06/30/2012 7:46:27 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Ambition Without Talent Is Sad - Talent Without Ambition Is Worse")
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To: rawcatslyentist

God is most glorified in saving the worst of sinners.
I thank God He preached to this pig, saved me from my sin, and put a new song in my heart.

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.


46 posted on 06/30/2012 7:53:14 PM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: Rutles4Ever
i believe the title said Jesus... like while he walked the earth
47 posted on 06/30/2012 7:57:36 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta; Sloth

Great article.. Apologetics Press has many learned bible scholars who write good articles on creation, evolution, bible history, etc. Dave Miller is one and I have his book The Silencing of God. It shows the history of how atheists, politicians have removed God from America’s founding, or is attempting too. The men @the A. Press have degrees in theology and either science or history. Two of them go to church with me and both work for NASA as chemical and nuclear scientists. There seminars on creation vs evolution are very good. We used to go to church with Kyle Butt until we moved. He is one of the best speakers on Bible history. Ping to you sloth, you might want to send this to your ping list.


48 posted on 06/30/2012 7:59:01 PM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
The person who presumes to claim to be a Christian, and yet supports homosexuality, misunderstands the teachings of Christ...

And I'll add to that, that they also have no understanding of who Christ actually is. Those who suppose that the condemnation of homosexuality came only from the God of the Old Testament are in for a surprise, because Christ is the God of the Old Testament.

49 posted on 06/30/2012 8:00:32 PM PDT by Semper Mark (Oh. Who's being naive, Kay?)
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To: Dallas59

Wise course.

But between you and me, he’s ignorant of this -

2 Thes 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:


50 posted on 06/30/2012 8:09:06 PM PDT by mbj
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