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The Mormon Ethic of Civility
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Posted on 07/03/2012 11:17:17 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

The political world is astir. Economies are faltering. Public trust is waning. Individuals feel vulnerable. And social cohesion wears thin. Meanwhile, stories of rage and agitation fill our airwaves, streets and town halls. Where are the voices of balance and moderation in these extreme times? During a recent address given in an interfaith setting, Church President Thomas S. Monson declared: "When a spirit of goodwill prompts our thinking and when united effort goes to work on a common problem, the results can be most gratifying." Further, former Church President Gordon B. Hinckley once said that living “together in communities with respect and concern one for another” is “the hallmark of civilization.” That hallmark is under increasing threat.

So many of the habits and conventions of modern culture — ubiquitous media, anonymous and unsourced online participation, politicization of the routine, fractured community and family life — undermine the virtues and manners that make peaceful coexistence in a pluralist society possible. The fabric of civil society tears when stretched thin by its extremities. Civility, then, becomes the measure of our collective and individual character as citizens of a democracy.

A healthy democracy maintains equilibrium through diverse means, including a patchwork of competing interests and an effective system of governmental checks. Nevertheless, this order ultimately relies on the integrity of the people. Speaking at general conference, a semiannual worldwide gathering of the Church, Elder D. Todd Christofferson of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles asserted: “In the end, it is only an internal moral compass in each individual that can effectively deal with the root causes as well as the symptoms of societal decay.” Likewise, Presiding Bishop H. David Burton emphasized that the virtues of fidelity, charity, generosity, humility and responsibility “form the foundation of a Christian life and are the outward manifestation of the inner man.” Thus, moral virtues blend into civic virtues. The seriousness of our common challenges calls for an equally serious engagement with reasonable ideas and solutions. What we need is rigorous debate, not rancorous altercations.

Civility is not only a matter of discourse. It is primarily a mode of engagement. The technological interconnectedness of society has made isolation impossible. Of all the institutions in the modern world, religion has had perhaps the greatest difficulty adjusting to the reality of give and take with the public. Today, and throughout its history, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints continuously encounters the legitimate interests of various stakeholders in its interaction with the public. Rather than exempting itself from the rules of law and civility, the Church has sought the path of cooperative engagement and avoided the perils of acrimonious confrontation.

Echoing this mode of civil engagement, President Monson declared: “As a church we reach out not only to our own people but also to those people of goodwill throughout the world in that spirit of brotherhood which comes from the Lord Jesus Christ.” Speaking of civility on a personal level, Elder Robert D. Hales of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles taught Latter-day Saints how to respond to criticism: “Some people mistakenly think responses such as silence, meekness, forgiveness, and bearing humble testimony are passive or weak. But, to ‘love [our] enemies, bless them that curse [us], do good to them that hate [us], and pray for them which despitefully use [us], and persecute [us]’ (Matthew 5:44) takes faith, strength, and, most of all, Christian courage.”

The moral basis of civility is the Golden Rule, taught by a broad range of cultures and individuals, perhaps most popularly by Jesus Christ: “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise” (Luke 6:31). This ethic of reciprocity reminds us all of our responsibility toward one another and reinforces the communal nature of human life.

Similarly, the Book of Mormon tells a sober story of civilizational decline in which various peoples repeat the cycle of prosperity, pride and fall. In almost every case, the seeds of decay begin with the violation of the simple rules of civility. Cooperation, humility and empathy gradually give way to contention, strife and malice.

The need for civility is perhaps most relevant in the realm of partisan politics. As the Church operates in countries around the world, it embraces the richness of pluralism. Thus, the political diversity of Latter-day Saints spans the ideological spectrum. Individual members are free to choose their own political philosophy and affiliation. Moreover, the Church itself is not aligned with any particular political ideology or movement. It defies category. Its moral values may be expressed in a number of parties and ideologies.

Furthermore, the Church views with concern the politics of fear and rhetorical extremism that render civil discussion impossible. As the Church begins to rise in prominence and its members achieve a higher public profile, a diversity of voices and opinions naturally follows. Some may even mistake these voices as being authoritative or representative of the Church. However, individual members think and speak for themselves. Only the First Presidency and the Twelve Apostles speak for the whole Church.

Latter-day Saint ethical life requires members to treat their neighbors with respect, regardless of the situation. Behavior in a religious setting should be consistent with behavior in a secular setting. The Church hopes that our democratic system will facilitate kinder and more reasoned exchanges among fellow Americans than we are now seeing. In his inaugural press conference President Monson emphasized the importance of cooperation in civic endeavors: “We have a responsibility to be active in the communities where we live, all Latter-day Saints, and to work cooperatively with other churches and organizations. My objective there is ... that we eliminate the weakness of one standing alone and substitute for it the strength of people working together.”


TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: 52kmissionaries; civility; proselytizing; restorationgospel
Does the mormon Ethic of Civility take into account that it has 52,000 missionaries going worldwide and claiming to Christians that their faith is false and the only way to salvation is through being baptized and confirmed mormon and taking part in mormon temple covenants?

Every day, Christians on FR are bashed for posting information taken for the most part from LDS sources. The term in the article, "The Church hopes that our democratic system will facilitate kinder and more reasoned exchanges among fellow Americans than we are now seeing."

The Flying Inmans and all other FReepers who see mormonism as heresy join in that "hope".

Just because Romney is the "presumptive nominee" doesn't mean that the doctrines and practices of mormonism are to be seen as "hands off". Romney stands by his faith 100%. The country is entitled to know just what that means.

1 posted on 07/03/2012 11:17:27 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: greyfoxx39

Our current President is muslim. Guess who I’ll side with?


2 posted on 07/03/2012 11:57:49 AM PDT by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: greyfoxx39
Romney in the White House plus Reid as Senate Majority Leader = Massive increase in "Hate Speech" laws....Just as Salt Lake will order.

Who benefits the most ? Muslims.

3 posted on 07/03/2012 12:01:15 PM PDT by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: grellis

See post 3.


4 posted on 07/03/2012 12:02:06 PM PDT by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: grellis

Careful now, this political, er, religious, er, cultural attack on Romney is posted in the religion forum. You wouldn’t want to hijack this thread to compare the Islamic demonic religion with the LDS inc demonic religion, would you?


5 posted on 07/03/2012 12:04:04 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: greyfoxx39
I hope Romney is in agreement with the following LDS teachings:

Doctrine & Covenants 98:

5 And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me.

6 Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land;

Doctrine & Covenants 101:

77 According to the laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the brights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles;

80 And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.

6 posted on 07/03/2012 12:04:32 PM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Max in Utah

“brights” - rights


7 posted on 07/03/2012 12:10:45 PM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: greyfoxx39

The internet will survive.


8 posted on 07/03/2012 12:16:51 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Max in Utah

Thank you for this post, Max. It helps (me, at least).


9 posted on 07/03/2012 12:52:33 PM PDT by KGeorge
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To: Max in Utah
Agree, Max...

It is very disappointing, however, that this great nation can't produce a presidential nominee for the Republican party who has demonstrated over the course of a career that he truly believes and highly values those doctrines with a semblance of consistency....

I do view him as much better than Obama, but then again, that isn't saying much...

10 posted on 07/03/2012 1:07:50 PM PDT by JustTheTruth
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To: greyfoxx39
Does the mormon Ethic of Civility take into account that it has 52,000 missionaries going worldwide and claiming to Christians that their faith is false and the only way to salvation is through being baptized and confirmed mormon

I have never had any trouble telling Mormon missionaries that I am not interested. Among all the proselytizers I have encountered I would say that they are indeed probably the most civil.

My experience working with Mormons has made me feel that they can probably be trusted a lot more than members of many other groups to do a good job in running things. Of course Romney would be under pressure as president to not harm the reputation of Mormons.

But I'd still like to have some more assurances of the separation of LDS and state.

11 posted on 07/03/2012 1:59:34 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Max in Utah

Well, its a nice dream. SLC lds sure don’t.


12 posted on 07/03/2012 4:04:03 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: greyfoxx39

BookMark


13 posted on 07/03/2012 4:13:56 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Max in Utah
Well Max...has there been a recent change in the LDS temple endowment ceremony where the "Law of Consecration" has been removed? The one that Romney has sworn to uphold. You know, the one that that goes like this.

"You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion."

Scroll to "Law of Consecration"

Aren't the Doctrine and Covenants verses you posted in direct disagreement with the Law of Consecration that demands loyalty to the mormon church?

14 posted on 07/03/2012 4:46:36 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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To: greyfoxx39
I got yer 'civility'; right HERE!!



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

15 posted on 07/03/2012 5:00:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: grellis
Guess who I’ll side with?

The Deceived or the Deceiving MORMON??

16 posted on 07/03/2012 5:01:11 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Max in Utah
I hope Romney is in agreement with the following LDS teachings:

HOPE is what we got LAST time!

The FACTS are that Romney does NOT follow what his religious scripture commands HERE:

The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.
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58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.


 

58 Now, as touching the law of the apriesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.

59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit dsin, and I will justify him.

60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be bglorified.

64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife.

66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.


17 posted on 07/03/2012 5:04:19 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Max in Utah
I hope Romney is in agreement with the following LDS teachings:

You want to see what he has SWORN to uphold in a MORMON temple?

I'm sure that some of our enlightened ex-Mormons can post the VOWS and OATHS to which he has sworn.

18 posted on 07/03/2012 5:06:07 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: wideminded
But I'd still like to have some more assurances of the separation of LDS and state.

Good luck!




...the presidential campaign of Mormon Church founder Joseph Smith in 1844: “Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that ‘they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.’

Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church.

19 posted on 07/03/2012 5:07:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: grellis

I am happy to see someone write that statement.
I am equally glad that you understand that a candidates religion belief system can in fact be an issue for some voters.


20 posted on 07/03/2012 5:29:08 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Max in Utah
supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me.

This is what they are taught? JESUS would NEVER say that! This is from THE PIT! It's obvious they don't know God so they will believe whatever they are told to believe. No right or wrong, one big free for all - that's why mitt, evil himself, instituted same sex marriage and baby killing.

So now I know why mitt, THE LIAR, thinks it is his right to spend MILLIONS LYING about NEWT, THE WeThePeople, PRO CONSTITUTION candidate. Mitt doesn't give a flip about America and despises Newt and GOV PALIN, both proven PATRIOTS.

SATAN is the master of LIARS. Mormonism has NOTHING to do with God but satan.

"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter." Isaiah 5:20

21 posted on 07/03/2012 7:21:20 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: wideminded
Of course Romney would be under pressure as president to not harm the reputation of Mormons.

WHAT?! I never knew about mormonism before he came along claiming to be a conservative and pushing himself on the GOP ticket. It is because of this KNOWN LIAR - I KNOW Mormonism is from the pit! And most agree because mitt is assigned to evil - the lesser evil.

But I'd still like to have some more assurances of the separation of LDS and state.

You can't separate a man from his underwear.

EVIL can't go against itself for it is evil and never can be good but NEEDS to give the 'appearance' of good to DECEIVE. Evil lurks within and his record proves it!!

22 posted on 07/03/2012 7:34:44 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Elsie

I’ll side with the one who doesn’t actively want me and mine dead. I’ll take the Mormon over a muzzie any day.


23 posted on 07/05/2012 8:05:17 AM PDT by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: grellis
I’ll side with the one who doesn’t actively want me and mine dead. I’ll take the Mormon over a muzzie any day.

So you are more worried about your life in this world than other's lives in the world to come?

That's ok; for many of us have been there.

We now, however, have a bit longer range outlook.

24 posted on 07/05/2012 10:06:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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