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When GOD chooses you, no one can take you away from GOD.
Faith | God-inspired

Posted on 07/03/2012 11:28:20 AM PDT by jesus4life

GOD knows who GOD chooses.


TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Ministry/Outreach
KEYWORDS: chosen; god; holyspirit; jesus
To all ( next text on July 11),

GOD chooses who HE wants.

If you are GOD's then nothing will seperate you from GOD.

Please pray the LORD's PRAYER and please read:

ROMANS 8:31-39

31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?

32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things?

33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.

34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

36 As it is written:

“For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”[a]

37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.

38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,

39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

GOD BLESS US ALL,

Jesus4life

1 posted on 07/03/2012 11:28:28 AM PDT by jesus4life
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To: jesus4life

Good sound theology...except for appending the so-called “Lord’s Prayer”. Notice where in the story line of the Bible this prayer occurs. The Sermon on the Mount is a thorough-going description of the Law (continuing through Matt. 7:27). Why is this important? Because during this amplification of the Law Jesus also said, “You are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” Do we think this is the Gospel of grace? Not hardly.

The cross had not yet come. Jesus’ exposition of the Law astounded the listeners as impossible...and it is. It was intended to crush self-effort. No amount of self-developed righteousness will meet these requirements. And, just as the rich young ruler gave up when told the true weight of the Law, there is no hope for man...unless God chooses the man (your original point). Notice Matt. 19:26. What man cannot do, God will do for His elect.

When you mix the exposition of the requirements of Law with Paul’s remarks about God’s election you risk confusing the audience. That is, do you really believe that you want God to forgive you EXACTLY as you forgive others? Really? I want Him to forgive me beyond my lack of forgiveness. That is the Gospel Paul illuminated in Romans. And, you are correct...If God chooses you then nothing will separate you from God.

We have to take the Scriptures as they come to us, unfolding, developing, clarifying as they go. You will notice that most Roman Catholics hover on the Gospels, and have some disdain for Paul. This is because they can sense a change in the picture, an unwelcome change from “you must do” (Gospels) to a “you cannot do, God will do it for His elect” (Epistles). With your remarks, the water is muddied. But, let the story unfold. Your remarks are true, but quoting the so-called Lord’s Prayer to support them confuses the issue.


2 posted on 07/03/2012 12:30:39 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: jesus4life

“In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.”


3 posted on 07/03/2012 12:31:02 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Dutchboy88

I agree with you.

Your point about Catholic disdain for Paul is interesting. I can count on one hand the number of times I ever listened to O’Reilly on the radio, but one of the few times I tuned in Bill was berating a caller for referencing something in one of the Pauline epistles. He pompously lectured her on the superiority of the gospels over and above the epistles. He was so off-base that it would have been funny if it hadn’t been so sad.


4 posted on 07/03/2012 12:39:55 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

Amen!


5 posted on 07/03/2012 1:19:21 PM PDT by jesus4life
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To: Dutchboy88; All

To all,

Praise the LORD. We are all at different levels of faith, but for those that say they love the LORD, want to be obedient, and still have something to say, please don’t forget the way we must go about it in order to keep order;

MATTHEW 18:15-17
15“If your brother sins against you,b go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over.

16But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’c

17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

GOD BLESS US ALL,

Jesus4life


6 posted on 07/03/2012 1:39:03 PM PDT by jesus4life
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To: .45 Long Colt

O’Reilly, as you pointed out, is a stauch RC and as such will ordinarily speak with heavy “Law laden” tones. The Gospels are superior in every way for a Catholic, and each “homily” given is always from somewhere in those four books. They give most weight to Jesus’ words even though the Father’s words (in the OT) would (under the same assumptions) would be just as crucial. But, IMHO, this derives from a sincere effort to produce a desired, but unattainable, self-righteousness. To be at the mercy of God, to be left as either among the elect or among those created for destruction, is simply an unacceptable situation. Jesus’ remarks sound like they can change this.

Paul, unfortunately (?), clarifies that there is no hope...if God does not elect. That is what the entire letter to the Italians is about. When he says, “You will say to me then, ‘How can He still find fault, for who can resist His will?’” Paul is setting out the crux of the matter. We are really at His mercy and waiting to see if we are among the elect. God really is the Potter, and we the clay. He can make one for honor and one for destruction. This is distasteful to a “religionist”. They insist that the choice be presented and the man be allowed to be the “chooser”. It is unacceptable to the O’Reillys for God to decide who is rescued.

You will notice a significant difference in the way RCs use the term “grace”. If one listens closely, it is not an “unmerited favor” given to an undeserving sinner, but a “super juice” granted to the deserving, obedient observer of Roman Catholic tradition...the doer of the Law, the fulfiller of the sacraments. This difference in nomenclature places biblical epistleary theology at odds with their tradition. The RCs demand control (the keys) and it is reflected in all of their positions.

During the Reformation, some teachers read “...the rest of the story.” in the Bible and discovered that Jesus was teaching the Law most of His three years, (Recall the Sermon on the Mount, “...for this is the Law and the Prophets”). When the blood was shed, the curtain was torn, the Law was disappearing, and grace was shed abroad. The Gentiles (non-Jews) were included in the “New Covenant” in His blood (the cross) and the whole world changed. This is what Paul exposits...but the religionist hates to hear.

Thanks for the info on O’Reilly. Forgive me rambiling on a bit.


7 posted on 07/03/2012 1:39:39 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: jesus4life

Help me with this...

You quote Matt. 18?


8 posted on 07/03/2012 1:41:42 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

I am always aghast at the ease with which protestantism utterly and completely rejects Christ, and the disdain with which protestantism views the Gospels.

Clearly, protestantism IS NOT Christianity. It is “paulianity” ... a bizarre and false religion indeed. It invents for itself a false “gospel” (a truly satanic deception) of complete irresponsibility from St. Paul’s letters, and prefers its own invention to the Gospel of Jesus Christ Himself.


9 posted on 07/03/2012 1:47:36 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Dutchboy88

Check you mail.

GOD BLESS US ALL,

Jesus4life


10 posted on 07/03/2012 2:33:56 PM PDT by jesus4life
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To: ArrogantBustard; Dutchboy88

Just what is the “Gospel of Jesus Christ Himself”, if you don’t mind my asking.


11 posted on 07/03/2012 3:01:07 PM PDT by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: ArrogantBustard
"I am always aghast at the ease with which protestantism utterly and completely rejects Christ, and the disdain with which protestantism views the Gospels.

Clearly, protestantism IS NOT Christianity. It is “paulianity” ... a bizarre and false religion indeed. It invents for itself a false “gospel” (a truly satanic deception) of complete irresponsibility from St. Paul’s letters, and prefers its own invention to the Gospel of Jesus Christ Himself."

Just wanted to reprint this en toto so that the typical RC response can be viewed. Someday, you may wish to read the entire Book we call the Bible. In there you may find the words of life...if He has called you out of the darkness. Let go of the false traditions of men, cling to Jesus alone...if you can.

12 posted on 07/03/2012 3:36:05 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: jesus4life

**When GOD chooses you, no one can take you away from GOD.**

Wrong.

Jesus chose Judas Iscariot, and the devil took him away from the Lord.


13 posted on 07/03/2012 3:40:33 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: .45 Long Colt

The Gospels have the words of Christ in them. I’ll take them over the letters of St. Paul any day.

Is there some reason you do not like the words of Jesus?


14 posted on 07/03/2012 3:43:06 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: smvoice
"Just what is the “Gospel of Jesus Christ Himself”, if you don’t mind my asking."

I find that if you ask this of a RC, you will get, "Keep the sacraments, trust Christ (as evidenced by keeping the sacraments), and keep the sacraments." Did I mention, "Keep the sacraments"? Also, pray to Mary, believe in papal inerrancy ex cathedra, do penance, get ready for pergatory, pay indulgences (making a comeback), and try to be holy.

If you ask a person who has read the entire Bible, they will tell you that the Gospel of Jesus is the good news that He has elected some before the foundation of the world to trust Him, and Him alone, for their rescue. He has adopted them, forgiven them, clothed them in His righteousness (not their own), and is sanctifying them until the day of their final redemption. They are safe in His hands, filled with His Spirit, still failing as humans but looking to Him for righteousness, not themselves. Notice how much He does versus they do? Jesus does for us what we cannot do for ourselves.

15 posted on 07/03/2012 3:46:03 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Salvation
Jesus chose Judas Iscariot, and the devil took him away from the Lord.

Judas was always gone.

John 17:11-13

11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me,[a] that they may be one as We are. 12 While I was with them in the world,[b] I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept;[c] and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13 But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves.

16 posted on 07/03/2012 3:47:58 PM PDT by xone
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To: Salvation
"The Gospels have the words of Christ in them. I’ll take them over the letters of St. Paul any day.

Is there some reason you do not like the words of Jesus?

This is as silly as the guy who has written the book demonstrating from Scripture that Sola Scriptura is wrong. Jesus said, "No man comes to the Me unless the Father draws him. And, I will raise him up on the last day." Unless you are a universalist, some of the human race has not been "drawn" and those who have not cannot come to Christ, irrespective of what they think is happening to them.

Recall, Jesus also said, "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.'" At least there will be some who don't realize that it is more important for Jesus to know them than it is for them to know Him (and do all kinds of religious things). I love the words of Jesus...in context.

17 posted on 07/03/2012 3:58:08 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

**Recall, Jesus also said, “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord,**

Notice it’s not St. Paul who will come to you on that day, but Christ!

LOL!


18 posted on 07/03/2012 4:09:50 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: .45 Long Colt

Bill O’Reilly is pro-homosexual agenda. Hardly the spokesperson for the Christian way of life.

I do find it interesting how many who defend the RCC, pay allegiance to Peter over Paul, but are not of Jewish origin.

Yet, Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles, while Peter was an Apostle to the Jews. Go figure.


19 posted on 07/03/2012 4:23:01 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Salvation
"Notice it’s not St. Paul who will come to you on that day, but Christ!"

Well, I hope that this is not the case. But, if it happens then I deserve it. I find myself saying with Paul, that I want to be found not having a righteousness of my own, derived from law (doing good things), but be found in Him having a righteousness from God. What say you?

20 posted on 07/03/2012 4:30:28 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Salvation

It’s not either/or.

“All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.” (2 Timothy 3:16)


21 posted on 07/03/2012 4:32:01 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: xone
"Judas was always gone.

John 17:11-13

11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me,[a] that they may be one as We are. 12 While I was with them in the world,[b] I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept;[c] and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13 But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves."

Excellent exegesis. This is how the Scriptures need to be used. Full picture, complete unfolding, reading the whole story. Thank you for this.

22 posted on 07/03/2012 4:33:22 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
Well, shucks, this was too easy as it was a sermon text a couple months ago.

that the Scripture might be fulfilled

Pretty good hint.

23 posted on 07/03/2012 4:37:09 PM PDT by xone
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To: jesus4life

Amen! Salvation is totally of the Lord.


24 posted on 07/03/2012 4:38:37 PM PDT by CrosscutSaw
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To: .45 Long Colt; Salvation

I believe both of you believe in the Word, in Christ and in the epistles.

While it may be tempting to argue against one another based upon denominational doctrines, we all are brothers in Christ.

God Bless.


25 posted on 07/03/2012 4:40:10 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: xone
"Pretty good hint."

LOL. Of course. Just saying...good job.

26 posted on 07/03/2012 4:44:44 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Cvengr

I would like to see more posts like yours.

God bless you!


27 posted on 07/03/2012 6:13:39 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: All; Dutchboy88

Oh Daddy!
Oh Daddy! My Father will always forgive me.

Why I sinned an broke the picket fence but Daddy will always forgive myself.

So I sinned again I broke the window Daddy will always forgive me.

I sinned and busted the pipes. Water is everywhere but Daddy will always forgive.

I do not have to humble myself Daddy will do it for me.

I have tears in me eyes Daddy does it all!

Why I am not responsible for myself. Daddy does it all by himself.

Oh Daddy declared me a spoiled brat.

I played with Matches. The Couch burned then caused the drapes to burn. Now No house anymore.

I have not seen my Daddy in a few weeks.

Why the last time he had a gun. He shot three bullets into my car.

I am three states away from Daddy.

He does everything I do not understand.

Oh Daddy! Oh Daddy!

I guess I am eternally separated

He did say “ I never want to see you again.”

Yet he still was running toward me with the Gun to get close to me.

I did not want to look like swiss cheese

Oh Dadddyyyyyy!!!

But Daddy I have tears in me eyes you do it all.

Daddy caught up with me!

I am now on a shelf being sold as Swiss Cheeseeeeee!

Oh!!! Daddy!

You do it All!

Echo!

Tears in me eyes!

Oh Daddddyyyyyyyyy

Don’t ya luv me anymore you do it all!!!

The above Swiss cheese was last seen on a ham sandwhich which was totally eaten.

The Parable of the no salt Swiss Cheeseeeeeee.........


28 posted on 07/03/2012 6:37:04 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: Dutchboy88

Amen!


29 posted on 07/03/2012 7:27:48 PM PDT by crghill (Silly Mormons, God is triune.)
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To: Salvation
Jesus chose Judas Iscariot, and the devil took him away from the Lord.

So then, the LORD wasn't quite powerful, sovereign enough to stop the devil? By your thinking then, we can't call him King of Kings nor LORD of Lords because he can't quite stop his foes. The only way Christ CAN be KING of kings and LORD of Lords is that Judas never belonged to Him in the first place, which someone has already shown. Christ Jesus, our Lord God, is either over all, or at the least has an equal.

30 posted on 07/04/2012 6:09:24 AM PDT by lupie
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To: Salvation; .45 Long Colt
Is there some reason you do not like the words of Jesus?

Is there some reason that you made that statement? Where is your proof that .45 Long Colt does not like the words of Jesus? I fail to see even any hint of that. I really fail to see why you say that - can you explain, using his words?

31 posted on 07/04/2012 6:13:40 AM PDT by lupie
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To: Dutchboy88; jesus4life
The cross had not yet come. Jesus’ exposition of the Law astounded the listeners as impossible...and it is. It was intended to crush self-effort. No amount of self-developed righteousness will meet these requirements. And, just as the rich young ruler gave up when told the true weight of the Law, there is no hope for man...unless God chooses the man (your original point). Notice Matt. 19:26.

Ha ha. Talk about being doctrinally subverted! If "God chooses the man" as Calvin and Zwingli had it, there is no basis for any hope at all.
32 posted on 07/04/2012 6:24:44 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: ArrogantBustard
Clearly, protestantism IS NOT Christianity. It is “paulianity” ... a bizarre and false religion indeed. It invents for itself a false “gospel” (a truly satanic deception) of complete irresponsibility from St. Paul’s letters, and prefers its own invention to the Gospel of Jesus Christ Himself.

No, it's not Paulianity; it's theological determinism in general and Calvinism in particular.
33 posted on 07/04/2012 6:29:46 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: lupie
So then, the LORD wasn't quite powerful, sovereign enough to stop the devil? By your thinking then, we can't call him King of Kings nor LORD of Lords because he can't quite stop his foes. The only way Christ CAN be KING of kings and LORD of Lords is that Judas never belonged to Him in the first place, which someone has already shown. Christ Jesus, our Lord God, is either over all, or at the least has an equal.
"The devil and wicked men are so held in on every side with the hand of God, that they cannot conceive, or contrive, or execute any mischief, any farther than God himself doth not permit only, but command. Nor are they only held in fetters, but compelled also, as with a bridle, to perform obedience to those commands." (Calv. Inst., b. 1, c. 17, s. 11.)

"when God makes angels or men sin, he does not sin himself, because he does not break any law. For God is under no law, and therefore cannot sin." (Zwingli, Serm. on Providence, c. 5, 6.)
Beware theological determinism. You'll wind up saying completely nutty things like the above.
34 posted on 07/04/2012 6:36:00 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Cvengr
While it may be tempting to argue against one another based upon denominational doctrines, we all are brothers in Christ.

Well, as Richard Weaver put it, ideas have consequences. And, I think, Calvin's doctrines or ideas have had some pretty grave consequences. I believe a good case could be made that modern empiricism, if not directly arising from Calvin’s theological determinism, was shaped and heavily abetted by it. From declaring that the motion of every atom in existence and every action taken by every man was the inevitable, non-contingent outworking of God’s will (though Luther said as much in On the Bondage of the Will), man’s appearance of will being at most an epiphenomenon and at worst an illusion, it was only a short jump to dumping God altogether and keeping a universe whose every phenomenon was the unavoidable product of previous phenomena and the unalterable cause of successive phenomena. Accordingly, man’s perception of himself as having significance, purpose, and will to effect change makes him as much the ghost in the machine now as he was formerly in the Calvinistic scheme only the outworking of God’s will decided before creation began.

In Calvinism, man is only an effect of God’s preexisting cause and completely unable to affect (or even effect) an outcome. In materialism, man is only an effect of preexisting material causes. In both he is truly nothing. In both he still feels as though he IS something. In both, there is no intrinsic value, only assigned value. In materialism, the value exists only to the degree that man assigns it to himself; the world is thus filled with all sorts of competing values decided, ultimately, by the exercise of power, either by philosophical dominance or by the kind exercised from the barrel of a gun. And none of this is due to any inherent individual freedom but to the outworking of a dialectic. In Calvinism, an all powerful God has decided that all men will be sinners and that a few may be saints, though none of that is contingent upon anything at all in man’s nature (or really, in a deterministic universe, whether material or theological, has any meaning at all).

And in Calvinism it isn't the death of Jesus that provides the basis of forgiveness for sin because a person's choice for salvation by God is not based on anything that would happen in the creation, because that would be contingent and we're told that it was decided solely through the counsel of his own will before the creation of anything--everything that he foresaw happening happened only because he had willed it to happen. So the incarnation and death of Jesus, people's faith in Jesus, and man's sin, bear no causal relationship between each other, because they all have the same cause: the secret counsel of God before the beginning of anything. That is, there’s an ultimate point to the universe, but man is not it, and he is arbitrarily assigned to salvation or suffering and will be rewarded or punished for a state of being he didn’t cause and is unable to alter.

In naturalism, he can at least, for a while, have the appearance of seeming to exert his will over himself and nature, even though the nature of the system ultimately undermines even this as he comes to realize that he is nothing more than a complex biological machine that is subject, at every level of organization, to dissolution by the physical forces of his environment without and by chemical or hormonal derangement within. That is, there is no ultimate point to the universe and, though he is part of it, his demise ultimately won’t make any difference to himself or to others because he and they are just brackets placed in an unbroken flow of existence, the “events” contained within those brackets called for a time this or that phenomenon or this or that being. Maybe the bracket marking off the beginning of what seems to be an individual consciousness will be far enough before the one marking off the end of it so that the events within can be called a human life. Maybe not.

At any rate, it isn’t any worse than Calvin’s and Zwingli’s view of man’s place in the universe as I quoted in a post above and do so again here:
“The devil and wicked men are so held in on every side with the hand of God, that they cannot conceive, or contrive, or execute any mischief, any farther than God himself doth not permit only, but command. Nor are they only held in fetters, but compelled also, as with a bridle, to perform obedience to those commands.” (Calv. Inst., b. 1, c. 17, s. 11.)

“...when God makes angels or men sin, he does not sin himself, because he does not break any law. For God is under no law, and therefore cannot sin.” (Zwingli, Sermon on Providence c. 5, 6.)
In materialism, man is without God and without hope. In Calvin’s theological determinism, man is still without hope other than in Calvin's version of a god that is an exigent, logic-chopping, moral pervert, strangely, though not surprisingly, made pretty much in the image of Calvin himself.
35 posted on 07/04/2012 7:50:21 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Salvation

Who says GOD didn’t choose judas for that!!

Please read:

JOHN 6:70


36 posted on 07/04/2012 11:23:18 AM PDT by jesus4life
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To: aruanan
"If "God chooses the man" as Calvin and Zwingli had it, there is no basis for any hope at all."

Well, if you consider God's selection of men to be no hope, I suppose you are right. But, those of use who are very thankful that the God of all mercies is the One choosing don't quite agree.

Even Jesus told his disciples:

John 15:16, "You did not choose Me but I chose you,..."

And, dozens of passages confirm that before we existed, it was just this situation:

Rom. 9:10ff, "And not only this, but there was Rebekah also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac; for though the twins were not yet born, and had not done anything good or bad, IN ORDER THAT GOD's PURPOSE ACCORDING TO HIS CHOICE MIGHT STAND, not because of works, but because of Him who calls, it was said to her, 'The older will serve the younger.' Just as it is written, 'Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.'"

Acts 13:48, "And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed."

Eph. 1:3ff, "Blessd be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just AS HE CHOSE US IN HIM BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, that we should be holy and blameless before Him."

I Pet. 1:1ff, "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are CHOSEN ACCORDING TO THE FOREKNOWLEDGE OF GOD THE FATHER, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, that you may obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood."

I could go on, and on, and on. Certainly sounds as though some found hope in God's choosing.

37 posted on 07/04/2012 11:41:23 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: lupie

Lupie,... there are different roles in the different persons of the Godhead. One God, three persons.

God the Father elects those who will be saved.

Jesus Christ presents to all humans the perfect example of our relationship to God the Father. Just because we choose something doesn’t mean He chose it. He has volition also, known as His Sovereignty.


38 posted on 07/04/2012 3:11:42 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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