Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Vatican urged to rescind threats to excommunicate Chinese bishops
Global Times ^ | July 5, 2012 | Xinhua

Posted on 07/05/2012 2:30:14 PM PDT by NYer

The State Administration for Religious Affairs on Wednesday urged the Vatican to rescind its threats to excommunicate two Chinese bishops, who are to be consecrated without papal approval, and return to the "correct path of dialogue."

The threats of excommunication are "extremely unreasonable and rude," a spokesperson said in a statement.

Yue Fusheng and Ma Daqin will be consecrated on Friday and Saturday in Heilongjiang Province and Shanghai, respectively.

The Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association was forced to begin to consecrate elected bishops in the 1950s after the Vatican threatened to impose excommunication.

The association has so far consecrated more than 190 elected bishops, which has helped to guarantee and promote the healthy development of Chinese Catholic churches, according to the spokesperson.

Continuing the practice of the Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association consecrating elected bishops is necessary to spread the word of Catholicism in China, as there have been no bishops in several of the country's dioceses for some time, the spokesperson said.

The practice is also the strong aspiration of the majority of priests and believers and a manifestation of religious freedom, according to the spokesperson.

"Any repudiation or interference with this religious practice is a restriction of freedom and an intolerant act. It is detrimental to the healthy development of Catholic churches in both China and the world," the spokesperson said.

The Chinese government is willing to discuss any issue, including the consecration of bishops, with the Vatican, but the government will continue to support the Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association in independently selecting and consecrating its bishops before the two sides reach a consensus, the spokesperson said. 



TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: china; epochtimes; falungong; pope; propaganda; tianenmensquare; vatican

1 posted on 07/05/2012 2:30:22 PM PDT by NYer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 07/05/2012 2:31:08 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

You forgot the obligatory (BARF) on this malodorous bit of ChiCom propaganda.


3 posted on 07/05/2012 2:35:49 PM PDT by MeganC (January 20, 2013: The End of an Error)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer
No negotiations with the Chinese Communists!! Assuming that the Hong Kong and Macau governments don't interfere in such matters (not necessarily a safe assumption) then Catholicism can be spread to mainland China from those areas.
4 posted on 07/05/2012 2:41:25 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Bill Ayers Was *Not* "Just Some Guy In The Neighborhood")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer
Not for Chairman Mao!

Not for Comrade Lin Piao!

Not for Obozo!

Not for Her Imperial Hillariness!

Not for Mittler!

Not EVER!!!

5 posted on 07/05/2012 2:59:49 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NoKoolAidforMe

Ping!


6 posted on 07/05/2012 3:04:31 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Gay State Conservative

Hong Kong and Macau are both part of the PRC now.


7 posted on 07/05/2012 3:16:16 PM PDT by iowamark
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: iowamark
Hong Kong and Macau are both part of the PRC now.

Understood.But they're both called "Special Administrative Regions" and are,to a noticeable degree,self governing.This is due to the treaties that Britain and Portugal negotiated with the PRC before the handover.The people and institutions of these "regions",surprisingly,have *much* more freedom than do those of mainland China.After my earlier post I did some research that suggests that the Catholic Church in Hong Kong is not,in fact,interfered with by the HK or the PRC governments.I'd wager that same id true of the Church in Macau.

8 posted on 07/05/2012 3:33:42 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Bill Ayers Was *Not* "Just Some Guy In The Neighborhood")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Gay State Conservative

I have a lawyer friend practicing in Hong Kong. She sees the central government’s policy there as based on slow assimilation. Gradually, over years, pro-Beijing elements are gaining more and more control.

I don’t know if the Catholic Church there has been approached by the “Patriotic” association, but I’d be surprised if there wasn’t at least some overtures made. I’ll ask her today.


9 posted on 07/05/2012 3:46:31 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: NYer
China is very afraid of outside churches using the pulpit to cause problems. To be fair, that was done in the no so distant past.

I know that the church that the LCMS partners with in China has a unique arrangement in that they have to train native Chinese in China to be pastors (which is the mission strategy anyway). From the people I have talked to there, the state doesn't pay a lot of attention to WHAT the pastors learn, just that they are free from outside control.

The arrangement wouldn't be possible for the Catholic Church, with the Pope making appointments of bishops. That and the church the LCMS deals with is based more in the south, by Hong Kong, and has the freedom associated with that area.

10 posted on 07/05/2012 4:20:45 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Maybe instead of excommunicating them, the Vatican could create an ‘Episcopalian Ordinaire’, where they would be recognized as Episcopalian Anglican, not Catholic.

This would work on a bunch of different levels.


11 posted on 07/05/2012 5:22:45 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
No. The government bishops are outside the line of Apostolic Succession. They are not bishops in the Catholic Church. Some government bishops have, in the past, been so consecrated openly and some secretly but their allegiance is to the Church thereafter and the Church knows that they are loyal. That is why it consecrates them. Some of the Government Catholics are actually Catholics and partake of the Eucharist in genuine but underground Masses while also attending the Government Charade.

In the case of the Anglicans, the priests have gone through Catholic seminary training and been properly ordained.

12 posted on 07/05/2012 6:02:55 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Actually the Vatican does not “excommunicate” bishops not properly ordained in the Church. They were never communicants to begin with. It would be the same as “excommunicating” a Jain.


13 posted on 07/05/2012 6:07:19 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: NYer

How about the Chinese rescind threats to imprison bishops consecrated without government approval?


14 posted on 07/05/2012 6:37:08 PM PDT by Petrosius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson