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The Reflections of Brigham Young on the Nature of Man and the State [What Mitt's profs taught him]
BYU Studies ^ | 1962 | J. Keith Melville

Posted on 07/05/2012 7:41:04 PM PDT by Colofornian

The pre-mortal period is a period of organization, growth, and purposeful development...This organization of the spirits from the "intelligence" which is co-eternal with God is for the express purpose of exaltation, to become "Gods like himself..."...

...Brigham Young said:...The Lord has organized mankind for the purpose of increasing in that intelligence and truth...until he is capable of creating worlds on worlds, and becoming gods...Believing that "the power of choice of all intelligent inherit from the Gods of eternity...is innate."...

...Complete independence of action is an attribution of deity, and only those most valiant during their probation on earth who will be crowned as gods in the Celestial Kingdom will be unfettered.

Mormonism discovered in the individual a god in embryo: a being whose essence is progression and whose eternal existence as an intelligence demands freedom...

...From the human position he pragmatically accepted the constitutional justification of slavery. He also justified Negro servitude as a penalty resulting from the violation of the cosmic system of law. He believed that the curse began with Cain because Cain denied Abel his earthly posterity. Instead of killing Cain, the Lord placed a mark on him and his posterity, withholding the priesthood from the negroes until "all the other descendants of Adam have received the promises and enjoyed the blessings of the priesthood thereof." This curse was perpetuated through the lineage of Ham into the post-diluvian period, and Brigham Young accepted the additional curse of Ham's posterity to be the "servants of servants" until God decrees elsewise...

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Dr. Melville is associate professor of political science at Brigham Young University.

(Excerpt) Read more at byustudies.byu.edu ...


TOPICS: History; Moral Issues; Other non-Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: antichristian; brighamyoung; gods; godsinembryo; inman; racism
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The publisher of this was BYU. The author, J. Keith Melville, died in 1995 after serving as a political science professor at BYU for 42 years. Melville was also the chairman of the Utah Democratic Party. (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Keith_Melville)

So, if you want to know the kind of "political science" that Mitt Romney received at BYU during his time there from February 1969 thru 1971...look at Melville's teachings.

You know, if I had been a Christian student in a Christian college...and if people had quoted what my Christian college profs had written, I'd be honored. For some reason, when we quote Mormon officials and Mormon profs -- what they published with Mitt's tuition and the rest who wanted to honor Brigham Young's name and teachings -- that problem is somehow our fault!

From BYU Studies, 1962, the poly sci prof @ BYU for 42 years: The pre-mortal period is a period of organization, growth, and purposeful development...This organization of the spirits from the "intelligence" which is co-eternal with God is for the express purpose of exaltation, to become "Gods like himself..."...Brigham Young said:...The Lord has organized mankind for the purpose of increasing in that intelligence and truth...until he is capable of creating worlds on worlds, and becoming gods...Complete independence of action is an attribution of deity, and only those most valiant during their probation on earth who will be crowned as gods in the Celestial Kingdom will be unfettered. Mormonism discovered in the individual a god in embryo: a being whose essence is progression and whose eternal existence as an intelligence demands freedom...

Well, Mitt's delivering two "valiant" efforts to be THE leader of the FREE world...which is actually a lesser position than his current "god in embryo" status as his supposed future crowning as a "god" in the Mormon celestial kingdom.

Betcha ya won't hear this angle discussed by the Mormon rep in the Barbara Walters interview that will run Friday night on ABC re: ABC's piece on heaven. For both more on this, and for more on Mormons running their own worlds in their polytheistic worldview, see:
THE TOP TEN MOST SURPRISING 'MORMON TEACHINGS' ABOUT MORMON HEAVEN and AFTER-LIFE [Vanity] -- see #2, #3, #5 in chart.

You know, we've had deists as past presidents; could be the first time we've ever had a polytheist!

1 posted on 07/05/2012 7:41:21 PM PDT by Colofornian
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From Dr. Melville's BYU published piece from the 1960s -- talking about Brigham Young himself:

...From the human position he pragmatically accepted the constitutional justification of slavery. He also justified Negro servitude as a penalty resulting from the violation of the cosmic system of law. He believed that the curse began with Cain because Cain denied Abel his earthly posterity. Instead of killing Cain, the Lord placed a mark on him and his posterity, withholding the priesthood from the negroes until "all the other descendants of Adam have received the promises and enjoyed the blessings of the priesthood thereof." This curse was perpetuated through the lineage of Ham into the post-diluvian period, and Brigham Young accepted the additional curse of Ham's posterity to be the "servants of servants" until God decrees elsewise...

Hmm...Melville taught this and was rewarded with a 42-year BYU career. BYU prof Randy Bott teaches similar racist ideas repeatedly -- and then finally gets called on carpet in 2012 -- and is let go.

For more on Bott and BYU prof racism, see:

* Racist principles were taught to older Mormons such as Professor Randy Bott [Admits Lds columnist]

* Thinking Strategically about a Ban Disavowal [Mormon racism re: ban of blacks] Key quote from above article -- from a Mormon non-profit org leader (Kevin Barney): ...if Romney gets the nomination, then we’ll see this issue blow up in such a way that the last few days will seem like a harmless firecracker...

* Racist Remarks by popular BYU Religion Professor Spark Controversy

* Is Mormonism Still Racist? Comments from a BYU professor stir up a troubling past

* BYU Professor makes controversial statements about Blacks & LDS Church

* Faith, truth and priesthood restriction (Mormon racism)

2 posted on 07/05/2012 7:45:31 PM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: Colofornian

I think Romney ought to run for mayor (or maybe God) of Colorado City, Arizona.


3 posted on 07/05/2012 7:45:45 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Colofornian

So, when Romney was at BYU, he was taught to be a racist? Can you imagine what kind of horrible things a student like Romney had to write in his blue book essay exams to pass his courses at BYU?


4 posted on 07/05/2012 7:51:05 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Colofornian
Stop selling yourself short. There are plenty of people doing that for you.

Part 1

Part 2

5 posted on 07/05/2012 8:00:51 PM PDT by bigheadfred (MY PET TAPEWORM OBIWAN IS AN INSANE MILITARY HATING LEFTIST)
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To: Tau Food
So, when Romney was at BYU, he was taught to be a racist?

He got to be 32 years old before his CHOSEN RELIGION decided to ease up on the black folks.





"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)





Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

 

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

 

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

 



 

6 posted on 07/05/2012 8:07:50 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Tau Food
[What Mitt's profs taught him]

What they are teaching NOW!!!


 
 
Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

 
 
Timeline...    Subject...
 
0:59           "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16           "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."


7 posted on 07/05/2012 8:09:02 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so." Brigham Young

What a prophet!

I can just picture Willard writing notes in the margins of his text books -

"Never, ever succumb to temptations of the flesh presented by dark beauties."

"Stick to the blonde girls; there's no sense in taking any imprudent risks."

8 posted on 07/05/2012 8:15:59 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Colofornian

“Mormonism discovered in the individual a god in embryo”

Son of Homunculus? For lurking Libtards, Goggle “homunculus”.

Freepers, we have a commie/Muzzie to defeat. Theological disputations, no matter how much fun they may be, will not keep commies away. Don’t be distracted by Leftard media created Straw Dogs.


9 posted on 07/05/2012 8:16:28 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Tau Food

Hello again, Tofu. Been reading your posts.


10 posted on 07/05/2012 8:18:51 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: GladesGuru

These are shills. No sense arguing with them, unless you can pay them more than John Podesta.


11 posted on 07/05/2012 8:19:55 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Colofornian

Ah yes, another attack Milt Rominy religion thread. ... Odd how predictable this is becoming. Would you even be posting LDS opposition threads if Milt was not running?


12 posted on 07/05/2012 8:34:06 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Elsie

It’s amazing, Elsie. If the general public actually sees the quotes that you have carefully collected, Mr. Romney will not succeed. Good people just won’t stand for it.


13 posted on 07/05/2012 8:34:34 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Mamzelle
Hello again, Tofu. Been reading your posts.

Well, gosh, you're making me blush, Mamzelle.

14 posted on 07/05/2012 8:41:40 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Tau Food

It might have depended upon from whom it was delivered and why. We’ve expected the leftist commie media to do this exposing, but I really didn’t think it would be fed to them, with ‘hate Romney because he’s a Mormon’ written all over it from Freerepublic. And done under the auspices of our religion forum, too!


15 posted on 07/05/2012 8:43:17 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN
We’ve expected the leftist commie media to do this exposing,

Who are you purporting to speak for when you use the pronoun we?

Are there people who don't think the general public should be exposed to these quotes and history?

16 posted on 07/05/2012 8:50:34 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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THX 1138 place marker


17 posted on 07/05/2012 9:01:43 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: MHGinTN
“Ah yes, another attack Milt Rominy religion thread. ... Odd how predictable this is becoming. Would you even be posting LDS opposition threads if Milt was not running?”
__________________________________________________

No He wouldn't!

You have to just love these Obama supporters.

18 posted on 07/05/2012 9:12:44 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: Mamzelle
I have a confession to make. Out of curiosity, I just spent a few minutes reading a couple of pages of your posts.

I'm impressed! You're obviously very bright, very articulate and, aside from Romney, I don't much disagree with much of what I read. I'll keep an eye out for your posts.

So there, take that!

19 posted on 07/05/2012 9:15:01 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: MHGinTN

You’re beginning to confuse me there MHG...


20 posted on 07/05/2012 10:26:55 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Tau Food; Salvation

Can you imagine what kind of horrible things a student like Romney had to write in his blue book essay exams to pass his courses at BYU?

- - - - - -
Actually I can. When I was at BYU, I got kicked out of one class for explaining to the teacher that he confused the Immaculate conception and perpetual virginity of Mary in his diatribe against the Catholics (the professor was Roger Keller who is still there IIRC).

I also got a C- on a decent paper for insisting that God was Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient (class was Topics in LDS Theology) because I ‘strayed from the topic’ which was why God was none of those things. I later showed a paper to another professor at MBI and he told me I was an “A” paper in his opinion.

BYU is designed to find spouses and brainwash, nothing else.


21 posted on 07/06/2012 12:07:21 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: GladesGuru
Freepers, we have a commie/Muzzie to defeat.

Theological disputations, no matter how much fun they may be, will not keep commies away.

Don’t be distracted by Leftard media created Straw Dogs.



Christians, we have a Deceiving MORMON to defeat.

Theological disputations, no matter how much work they may involve, will rescue some from the BIG LIE that calls itself MORMONism.

Don’t be distracted by MORMON 'apologists' trying to conjure up a big COMMUNIST boogieman!!!

22 posted on 07/06/2012 5:07:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MHGinTN
"‘hate Romney because he’s a Mormon’ written all over it from Freerepublic."

When he hates infidels more than he loves his children, a Muslim can send his children off to be suicide bombers.

When he hates Mormons more than he loves his country, a Freeper can send his children off to vote for Obama.

23 posted on 07/06/2012 5:08:18 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: Mamzelle
No sense arguing with them, unless you can pay them more than John Podesta.

No sense arguing with them, unless you can do better than any other MORMONs have done in the past.

Better just to be above it all and dismiss them with a wave of the Imperial Hand.

24 posted on 07/06/2012 5:09:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MHGinTN
Would you even be posting LDS opposition threads if Milt was not running?

I think you know the answer to this already; as YOU used to be one who participatged quite well in exposing the HERESY that is MORMONism.

25 posted on 07/06/2012 5:11:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Tau Food
Good people just won’t stand for it.

Neither will BAD ones!!

26 posted on 07/06/2012 5:11:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MHGinTN
...with ‘hate Romney because he’s a Mormon’ written all over it from Freerepublic.

But what can we do about it?

Jim lets the MORMONs type that kinda stuff; so take it up with him!

27 posted on 07/06/2012 5:13:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MHGinTN
...with ‘hate Romney because he’s a Mormon’ written all over it from Freerepublic.

Then there is the...

VOTE for Romney because he’s not a COMMIE!

mantra that is being sung SO loudly!
28 posted on 07/06/2012 5:15:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MHGinTN
...with ‘hate Romney because he’s a Mormon’ written all over it from Freerepublic.

Then there is the...

VOTE for Romney so we can expose MORMONism for 4 years, all over, instead of just on FR!!

(I wonder how THAT would work out??)
29 posted on 07/06/2012 5:16:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MHGinTN
...with ‘hate Romney because he’s a Mormon’ written all over it from Freerepublic.

Then there is the...

DON'T vote for Romney because you have principals;
then we'll blame YOU because Mitt is such a bad candidate!!

Sigh...
30 posted on 07/06/2012 5:18:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Artcore
You have to just love these Obama supporters.

I rest my case.

31 posted on 07/06/2012 5:19:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Artcore
You have to just love these Obama supporters.

You have to just love these tolerant MORMONs.



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

32 posted on 07/06/2012 5:21:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: norwaypinesavage
When he hates Mormons more than he loves his country, a Freeper can send his children off to vote for Obama.



Office of First President & Living Prophet®:

July 1st, 2012

URGENT!

 
Fellow MORMON Freeper Christians!!
 
Due to the lack of results with those Thorn's in our Flesh on FR with our STANDARD array of insults; we've come up with:
 
      You're a Commie Obama supporter!
 
That will SURELY get those Hateful Bigots to back off of us and DEFEND themselves!    Use it as often as possible!
 
Remember to stick to CONSERVATISM (you can even rag on Mitt, if you want - it makes your message seem more authentic that way.)
 
As always,
Tommy M.

33 posted on 07/06/2012 5:28:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

I doubt there are many Mormons on Free Republic. With all the bashing it’d be akin to the self-hating Jews who inhabit DU and my guess is that Mormon’s are a little less inclined to be so unstable.


34 posted on 07/06/2012 6:22:54 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: Elsie

Indeed I have and will continue to ... on the religion forum, not the religion forum twisted to serve the political hate of some who are exploiting the opposition tot ISM in order to spew hate for one or two Mormons.


35 posted on 07/06/2012 8:11:14 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Elsie

Indeed I have and will continue to ... on the religion forum, not the religion forum twisted to serve the political hate of some who are exploiting the opposition to the ISM in order to spew hate for one or two Mormons for political empowerment of the null set.


36 posted on 07/06/2012 8:11:52 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Elsie

You seem to forget this is the religion forum. On the political forums such mantras are appropriate. Twisting the religion forum to serve the hate Romney mantra is ... well, it’s unseemly at Freerepublic. Some have succeeded in blurring the differences in forums (example: twisting the religion forum to serve the political hate Romney mantra) into a hate Romney site, and that’s not what I thought Freerepublic was all about over the years. But then you knew that yet you try to blur the message you know I’m trying to send. I am certain you now the message I’m seeking to send because I explained it to you in freepmail, so this faux confusion is suspect.


37 posted on 07/06/2012 8:16:47 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Tau Food; ejonesie22
The 'we' is in reference to The Flying INmans, a group to which I once belonged ta FR. We did a lot of work to dig into MormonISM, the Doctrines and Covenant, the JOurnal of Discourses, the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price. For years this group has been exposing the clear heresies and blasphemies inherent in the ISM. I'll give you an example at the end of this post.

Since Milt Rominy (it rhymes with hominy, the tatseless corn product) appears to be the nominee of the republican party, oppsing little barry bastard commie in the general election, a subtle but now obvious change in use of the Religion forum and the material amassed to expose the ISM has arisen, where the previous 'campaign' was about opposing the ISM but is now twsited to be used solely to attack Romney, and occasionally to impugn Mormons, the adherents to the ISM. The adherents are not our enemy, well, not in the past, because they are duped by a cult. But this distinction has been blurred for exploitative purposes and those dedicated to exposing the ISM have been duped into serving a political agenda using the religion forum.

Here's an example dug fromt he pages of the LDS inc JOurnal of Discourses, which clearly illustrates why the ISM is anit-Christian ... and I sincerely hope you see why this is not a Christian perspective being taught by the LDS inc leadership when this was collected into their precious Jof D:

"We may talk of men being redeemed by the efficacy of his [Christ's] blood; but the truth is that that blood has no efficacy to wash away our sins. That must depend upon our own action." [ LDS Apostle Amasa M. Lyman, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 299, 1859]


38 posted on 07/06/2012 8:36:52 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Notary Sojac

pingaling .. this might help to clarify things a bit.


39 posted on 07/06/2012 9:03:52 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN; Elsie
I am certain you now the message I’m seeking to send because I explained it to you in freepmail, so this faux confusion is suspect.

I doubt it is "faux" confusion. Your explanations to me in Freepmail left me more confused about your positions than before.

The 'we' is in reference to The Flying INmans, a group to which I once belonged ta FR.

At least, you've publicly admitted what we have suspected - you mentally checked out awhile ago (and I do mean that in two senses).

twisted to serve the political hate...

Wow. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. How ironic is it when someone who constantly uses the phrase "little barry bastard commie" lectures others on political hatred? Perhaps, MHG, your hatred of Obama is clouding your judgment? Isn't possible that your accusations against the Flying Inmans are simply projections of your own internal turmoil? When a person is approached by several friends, it would be wise to listen.

Normally, I would raise those points with another FReeper through private mail rather than on the public forum but last time I contacted you, I was given this snarky response:

Bewarry [sic] of those who would write private messages maligning fellow Freepers, for that is the club mentality which runs on pernicious pride and ego needs.

40 posted on 07/06/2012 10:25:06 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Obama vs. Romney - clear evidence that our nation has been judged by God and found wanting.)
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To: MHGinTN; Colofornian; greyfoxx39; Elise; Zakeet
Ah yes, another attack Milt Rominy religion thread. ... Odd how predictable this is becoming. Would you even be posting LDS opposition threads if Milt was not running?

MHG, I'm quite taken back by your attitude. IIRC you were one of the original Inmans and you have been active on this forum in taking the LDS Church to task over its fabricated history and doctrines of demons.

Now that Mitt Romney is the apparent nominee for the GOP you have turned your guns on those of us who joined with you over the years to sound the alarm bells on the deception that is the LDS Church.

You know darned well that Colofornian would be posting Truth Files on the LDS Church no matter who the candidate for the GOP Nomination would be. Just because Mitt Romney has been chosen by the GOP-E to be the standard bearer for the party is certainly no reason for those of us who have concern not only for the souls of those trapped in this cult but for the souls of those yet to be trapped to cease from our appointed missions.

Your turnaround on the LDS issue is quite puzzling to me? Have you converted to the LDS Church? If not, then why are you carrying the water for them?

If so, then that would explain a lot.

I will not vote for Romney and it is not because he is a Mormon. It is because he is dishonest and because he has no principles and because he supported abortion and gay marriage and just a few weeks ago supported the idea of gays adopting children.

I think he will probably win the Presidency. Frankly if he wins the presidency then the MSM will turn on both the LDS Church and Romney and expose both of them for the hypocrites that they are. The LDS Church will most likely never benefit from Romney running as the GOP standard bearer. There is just too much stuff out there about their history and teachings that the MSM will glom onto and run with.

None of the stuff that Colofornian or Greyfoxx39 or Zakeet or Elsie posts on this forum is secret information. It is all out there and the MSM and Obama's surrogates will probably start using it en-masse after the GOP Convention.

Don't blame the Inmans that Romney is stuck in a strange non-Christian cult. That is Romney's choice and if it is an albatross around his neck, then he can repent of his adherence to doctrines of demons and turn to the real Christ like most of us Inmans did.

Again MHG, I am sorely disappointed that you have decided to carry the water for the LDS Church and try to prevent the Truth from coming out. The Truth will out. That is just the way it is. If the Truth hurts Romney's chances for election, then that is the price America and the GOP will have to pay for being unwise and choosing a chameleon candidate with no moral or political compass who believes that someday he will go to Kolob and become a God.

41 posted on 07/06/2012 10:36:27 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe

See number 38 above ... sheesh!


42 posted on 07/06/2012 10:52:34 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Artcore

These are not Obamao supporters. THAT specious insult is not called for. These are conservative Christians, but it appears —at least to me— that they have been manipulated into attack dogs toward Mitt Romney. Every thread on the ISM gets posted int he religion forum but immediately used to attack Romeny for his Mormonism. I don’t like the guy either, he’s a flaming liberal, wet-finger-in-the-wind man of deceits. But he isn’t the commie besoiling the White House wirth a gaggle of Chicago-style criminal thugs regulating everything in order to collapse the American eceonomy. How will Romney govern? That is entirely up to how much pressure we the people put on his sorry liberl butt. However, by twisting the religion forum into an attack Romney forum, Freerepublic has been manipulated into an assistant to the Obamao campaign doing what we thought only the media scum were low enought to do.


43 posted on 07/06/2012 10:58:18 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: CommerceComet

Feel bigger now, doctor?


44 posted on 07/06/2012 11:01:14 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN
I am still a bit confused, is the ISM now off limits until after the election? Did God call a truce on heretical teachings and such in deference to Earthly needs?

I have not seen a tremendous difference in the nature of posting. What I have seen is folks who have consigned themselves with Mitt's inevitable candidacy now focus on worldly issues whilst also more visibly chastising those still focused on the larger picture, the situations that have lead us to this worldly state, the dilution and weakening of Christianity in America. Sadly some of this chastisement has come from those Christians once aligned or at least tolerant (how that works I do not know but its part of the Oprah Christian world view I guess) with us in some form or fashion. I understand, Obama is a very formidable boogieman, one I too fear and have no desire to see return.

I think back to the Movie "A Man for All Seasons" when after being betrayed by his former pupil and friend Richard Rich, Sir Thomas Moore says "Why Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world... but for Wales?"

In this case for many Conservatives here and on TBL among others I would replace "Wales" with "Romney"with Conservatism being betrayed..

I may have to vote for him, but I will not do so willingly for strictly political reasons. His record speaks for itself and I fear him in some ways as much as Obama, though on the whole Obama has far more potential for damage if not reigned in by a Republican congress. But the fact that Romneycare alone exists gives me pause.

As far as the LDS, simply because the man on the ticket is a member does not make the faith legitimate in the eyes of God or the knowledgeable Christian. Things of this world shall pass, but the battle of heaven never ceases for our convenience. That many seem to think that with their "well it ain't Islam" and such are why we are where we are as a nation, there is not hierarchy of right or wrong among faiths, you are either walking in the light or sitting in the dark. What the practitioners of any faith here on Earth do is for man to deal with, and do so with God as an ally not an after thought...

45 posted on 07/06/2012 11:53:07 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; greyfoxx39; Zakeet
See number 38 above ... sheesh!

38 above is just a bunch of baloney.

Like it or not Mitt Romney is the most visible adherent to MormonISM in the world today. More people are aware of the fact that Mitt Romney is a Mormon than are aware of the fact that Thomas Monson is his Religion's official Prophet.

So naturally any expose of MormonISM is going to be impacted by the fact that the most visible manifestation of that Religion is currently running for President of the United States.

So naturally any and all references to LDS Doctrine and History are going to have a political effect because Mitt Romney is an adherent to those peculiar doctrines and beliefs.

FWIW some of my family members and other church members were blatant racists who freely used the "N" word in a very derogatory manner when referencing black people while at church functions. These were the adults. So this thread is quite important both religiously and politically. Did Mitt Romney adhere to the blatantly racist doctrines taught by the church prior to the "Revelation" that God decided to relent to the Prophet and stop being the blatant racist that He apparently was prior to 1978? The Kimball revelation clearly stands for the proposition that GOD was the racist and that the forward thinking Mormon Prophet convinced GOD of the error of HIS ways.

MHG, I stand by what I said. You are carrying the water for the LDS Church apparently based solely on your fear that to tell the truth about what Romney believes might result in Obama being re-elected. Well whether or not Romney is going to be elected is really out of my hands and your hands since God has already ordained who HE has chosen to lead us for the next 4 years. If God wills it, then Romney will weather the storm of the criticism of his cult. If God wills otherwise, then he won't be the next president of the United States (but you can be assured that he might be the next President of the LDS Church).

Whatever it is, I am dismayed that you have chosen to carry the water for Mitt and his Religion on this forum.

Carry on.

46 posted on 07/06/2012 12:37:32 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe

‘CArry the water for LDSinc’ ... what an arrogant insult you’ve posted! In post #38 I make it very clear that I consider MormonISM to be anti-Christian. Yet you feel the need to insult me by mischaracterizing so it fits the perspective you WANT to hold. So be it as your perspective. Go in Peace, brother.


47 posted on 07/06/2012 12:48:26 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: bkepley
I doubt there are many Mormons on Free Republic. With all the bashing it’d be akin to the self-hating Jews who inhabit DU and my guess is that Mormon’s are a little less inclined to be so unstable.

Any place that a MORMON has the nerve to start spouting any of their HERESY will turn in to a BASH.

Bold
ANTIs
Spotlighting
Heresy

48 posted on 07/06/2012 2:17:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MHGinTN; Colofornian
‘CArry the water for LDSinc’ ... what an arrogant insult you’ve posted!

Since you decided to split hairs on my post, can I conclude that you are, in fact, admitting to be carrying water for Mitt Romney?

Yet you feel the need to insult me by mischaracterizing so it fits the perspective you WANT to hold

LOL!

Just what have you been doing with the Inmans? Need I say speck/log?

49 posted on 07/06/2012 4:02:17 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe

I expect you will see things a way that fits what you want to believe. That does not mean you are correct. Is this the religion forum or the smear Mitt with his religion forum? There seems to be little difference at this point. This is what I expected from the sleazy media, to try and assassinate the man by tying him to all the heresies and blasphemies in MomronISM. But I didn’t expect it from Freerepublic, or from several I have in the past thought of as friends. So it has come to this, fabricating a smear with which to try and ridicule into silence. Nice try


50 posted on 07/06/2012 5:39:59 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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