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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Adding to the history of Catholicims in early America.


2 posted on 07/07/2012 7:49:49 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
What you have to do first is read through the Treaty of London (1604).

That's where the Roman Catholic King of North America (and a bunch of other stuff) divided the continent among various parties for settlement.

He, not the English, set aside a rather drought ridden, desolate, almost abandoned piece of territory called Virginia, to Protestants!

Catholics got the rest of the place ~ at the time he carved out Acadia for Scotland he had hopes for a Catholic King.

Even today it's not exactly clear how the English came to think of Virginia as THEIRS ~ so you'll have to read a lot more of that treaty.

BTW, the TREATY was crammed down the other powers throats. It was called Treaty of London since that is where the King of Spain thought a good place to meet to decide such matters ~ there were cartographers, expert explorers, etc.

The King of Spain specifically prohibited the Dutch from benefitting from all of this and set rules of reciprocal religious toleration for both Catholics and Protestants.

ANYWAY, history always marches on so by 1624, just before the blow up known as the Thirty Years War, there was a Protestant Dutch colony at New York, a Catholic Dutch colony at New Jersey (which seems to have started out long before the Spanish evacuated the region). The English had several settlements in diverse place. By 1638 there was also a Swedish colony in SE PA and Central Maryland.(relocated from Delaware)

All through the period of early settlement ~ for about a century and a half, King Philippe III's rules prevailed in both Catholic and Protestant territories in the Americas. IN Europe the final settlement of the 30 years war led to a different sort of toleration. But, America was huge, wild and wonderful so much of this really didn't matter.

To a degree the Spanish decree that all of North America be Catholic except that part set aside for Virginia prevailed right down to the very end when their own colonies sought independence. Still, when Mexico succeeded Spain, they kept that rule on Texas ~ you had to be Catholic to live in Texas ~ else you had the 3 month visitation rule.

Now, think of the problem the English, Swedish, Dutch and others had with the situation in America. The whole place was Catholic except a very small part reserved for them by the King of Spain. Worse, they held it under the stipulations established by the king ~ and that included a period of reciprocity due Catholic merchants, etc. Anyone else was excluded according to the rule set by the KIng of Spain.

Which means that the English, et al, probably didn't think all that much about it! Nor did the Catholics consider it all that terribly important either. They were free to go to zones set aside by the kIng of spain ~ e.g. to Canada, to Acadia, to New Spain ~ ...... ~ it's all in that Treaty the King of Spain imposed on America when he carved it up to facilitate development.

7 posted on 07/07/2012 8:16:32 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Salvation

Very interesting. Thank you for posting it.


20 posted on 07/08/2012 3:38:07 AM PDT by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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To: Salvation

Thank you for posting this.

As a child in a Maryland Catholic school, I learned much about the Calverts and the founding of Maryland, but don’t recall the part about an attempt at a colony in Newfoundland. Now, my curiosity is aroused on that point.

BTW, we visited St. Mary’s City last spring. They have added a lot of recreated buildings since we were there about 15 years ago. Wonderful visit. I was particularly moved by the rebuilt church, which had been constructed almost exclusively using authentic building materials and practices. Beautiful place.


25 posted on 07/08/2012 10:30:12 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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Just FYI, Catholics in Maryland were forbidden to:
Build Churches
Assemble
Priests were not allowed to appear in public in clerical garb
had to tithe to the Episcopal Church

Maryland, "The Catholic Colony" was for a long time not a great place for English Roman Catholics. In point of fact, it was larger Irish immigration and in particular, more aggressive Irish priests who turned that around.

Although it began to abate somewhat by the Civil War, America was officially, that is legally, anti-Catholic throughout the early period.

29 posted on 07/10/2012 5:46:59 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and FU Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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