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Tha Names of The Arab Nations...Islam in Prophecy pt 4
http://billrandles.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/the-names-of-the-arab-nations-islam-in-prophecy-pt-4/ ^ | 07-08-12 | Bill Randles

Posted on 07/08/2012 6:38:50 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles

We have been looking at the considerable attention the Word of God gives to the origin and fate of the Arab people. Genesis, the foundational book of the Holy Bible, contains history and prophecies of both Ishmael and of Esau, their character and descendant’s fate to the end days.

In the rest of scripture, there is also great interest in the Arabs, and their progeny. These children of Abraham are major players in the drama that is the end of the world. The Hebrew prophets speak almost as much about the fate of the Arab nations as they do the Jewish state.

As I said in the introduction, the key is to juxtapose the modern names for the people and regions, over the ancient ones.

Edom - Edom is a major figure in end times Bible prophecy. Edom is another name for Esau who we looked at in the last chapter, the twin brother of Jacob. God assigned Esau the area of southern Jordan around Mt. Sier, which is why Edom is sometimes referred to as Mt. Seir such as in Ezekiel 35. Son of man, set thy face against mount Seir, and prophesy against it, And say unto it, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O mount Seir, I am against thee, and I will stretch out mine hand against thee, and I will make thee most desolate.(Ezekiel 35:2-3)

There are several ways to designate the Edomite people; the political Kingdom of Edom is long gone, but the geographic region is well known, and of course there is the spiritual identity of those who have taken up Esau’s ancient hatred of the Jews.

The Edomite Kingdom was defeated by David and Saul and made subject to Judah for centuries as a vassal state. They would play a role in the destruction of the temple by Nebuchadnessar, rising up against their former rulers, cutting off escape routes and openly gloating in the destruction of the Jewish people.

Eventually they intermarried with the Ishmaelites, and Midianites, and Moabites, and comprise much of the Middle Eastern Arabs.

Geographically the Edomites are the Arabs of southern Jordan.

Spiritually the Edomites are the Muslim Arabs who hate Israel, boast in inhabiting the Holy land, and have possessed the temple mount. Edomites rejoiced in the horrors that befell the Jews in 70 AD, and 120 AD, cutting off any escape routes the Jews would have used, and collaborating with the Romans enslavers of Israel.

Centuries later and in the same character, the middle eastern Muslim Arabs cooperated in the Nazi holocaust, rioted and performed pogroms in order to block the British from receiving any Jewish refugees fleeing from the Holocaust into the Holy Land, under British rule.

The prophet Obadiah proclaims the indictment against Edom in his short prophecy,

For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever. In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them.But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day that he became a stranger; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress.Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of their calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity;Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossway, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress.(Obadiah 10-14)

The Philistines-The Philistines were not Arabs, they were Greeks or Phoenicians, and were eventually wiped out by Israel. But there is a modern Arab people who have taken for themselves the name of the Philistines, ‘Palestinians’. It is they who have been granted by the World community the Gaza coastal area , which was once the dominion of the five Philistine cities . I speak of the mixed Arabs who either inhabited or who immigrated into the Holy Land shortly before and ever since the 1948 rebirth of the Jewish state. For the most part they are Muslim, and have been at war with Israel from her start. They took upon themselves the identity “Palestinians” in 1967 that they might gain legitimacy for the establishment of their state.

God has something to say to Palestinians, ie Philistines, regarding the end times.

Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because the Philistines have dealt by revenge, and have taken vengeance with a despiteful heart, to destroy it for the old hatred; Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will stretch out mine hand upon the Philistines, and I will cut off the Cherethims, and destroy the remnant of the sea coast. And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them. (Ezekiel 25:15-17)

In Biblical times, there were five Philistine cities, Ekron, Gath (the city of Goliath), Askelon, Ashdod with Gaza being the most prominent. Gaza is today, of course, the coastal region from which Jews were expelled in 2005, and where the terrorist entity Hamas has since seized control.

Moab and Ammon-These are the names of Lot’s sons who were born of incest after he fled Sodom and Gommorah. Geographically, Amman and Moab are the inhabitants of central and northern Jordan. The capitol of Jordan is called Amman. The Ammonites and Moabites were bitter resisters of Israel. When Israel made her Exodus, God told her not to molest them, take their land, and to pay for anything they took on their way through Moabite land. But the Moabites feared them nonetheless, and abused them, as the story of Balac and Balaam attests.

Lebanon- Israel’s northern neighbor, features in several prophecies of the end. Lebanon was once considered the only Christian country in the middle east. When the 1967 six-day war broke out ,it set in motion events which would considerably alter the make up of this country.

Terrorists fled into Lebanon from Israel and Jordan, setting up enclaves in the south to launch attacks on northern Israeli towns. The mayhem they brought to the nation led to a bloody civil war in the 1970’s, pitting Lebanese Militias composed of Christians (Maronite,Philangists et al), and various strains of Muslim Jihadis , (PLO, Hezbullah, Salafists) as well as the Lebanese army.

As in all civil wars there have been atrocities on both sides. Philangist militias massacred hundreds of Palestinian Refugees in the Sabra and Shatila camps, supported by the Israeli defense forces. The PLO and mixed groups of foreign Muslim foreign fighters overran Christian towns such a Damour slaughtering hundreds of men, women and children without mercy.

The nation of Syria took advantage of Lebanon’s weakened state, arming the Muslim rebels and eventually invading Lebanon, occupying much of it and has controlled it to this day, arming Hezbullah, controlling elections and even assassinating popular elected leaders.

The U.N. and even the United States shed much blood trying to keep the warring factions from slaughtering each other, for example this was the setting for the 1983 Marine Corps barracks bombing .

In 1982 Israel invaded Lebanon after repeated terror attacks upon her cities , eventually cornering Yasser Arafat and the PLO in Beirut, only to have to stand down , allowing the U.N. to give Arafat and his terrorist army safe passage to Tunisia rather than the extermination that he and the terrorist apparatus of the PLO faced by the surrounding IDF.

Israel occupied southern Lebanon for 28 years, until domestic pressure forced them to withdraw in the year 2000. The credit for this withdrawal was given by the Muslim world to Hezbullah, the Shiite “party of Allah” and is considered to be the first modern victory of Islam over Israel.

The prophets speak much indeed of Lebanon regarding the last days, but specifically “Tyre and Sidon” . That is, the region of southern Lebanon, currently dominated by Hezbollah. It’s terrorist leaders have been raining rockets on Israeli cities with seeming impunity as of late.

“Now what have you against me, Tyre and Sidon and all you regions of Philistia? Are you repaying me for something I have done? If you are paying me back, I will swiftly and speedily return on your own heads what you have done. For you took my silver and my gold and carried off my finest treasures to your temples You sold the people of Judah and Jerusalem to the Greeks, that you might send them far from their homeland.(Joel 3:3-4)

Syria- The modern nation of Syria is about one half of the Biblical Assyrian Empire. The other half would be roughly the modern country of Iraq. Usually the area we refer to as Syria is referred to by the name of its major city, Damascus. There are 67 mentions of Damascus in the word of God. Thus says the LORD:
“ For three transgressions of Damascus, and for four,
I will not turn away its punishment,
Because they have threshed Gilead with implements of iron.
4 But I will send a fire into the house of Hazael,
Which shall devour the palaces of Ben-Hadad.
5 I will also break the gate bar of Damascus,
And cut off the inhabitant from the Valley of Aven,
And the one who holds the scepter from Beth Eden.
The people of Syria shall go captive to Kir,”
Says the LORD. (Amos 1:3-5)

Iraq- is the modern name for roughly eastern half of the Assyrian Empire. In the Bible it is referred to as Assyria, Babylon , or as the Land of the Chaldees. *Saudi Arabia-The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is of recent origin, it came about as a result of the cooperation that the Saud family gave the British in World War I, and has only been in existence since 1932.

Biblically the region is referred to as Dedan, Sheba, Midian and Kedar. Dedan and Sheba were sons of Abraham through Keturah, and Kedar was a son of Ishmael.

North Africa; consisting of Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Tunisia ,Morocco and Ethiopia, is a region that is in tumult as Islamists seek to hijack popular movements for democracy which have toppled several governments. The Biblical names for the regions are Egypt, Ethiopia, Cush, Put, Libya, and Cyrene. Some of the non-Arab nations featured in Bible prophecy, are Iran, which is called Persia ,or Elam. Turkey, which is called Gomer, Togarmah, and Yavan , or Greece. Remember that Turkey was the Greek mainland, and that many of the books of the New Testament were written to Greek churches in what is now called Turkey.

The Unifying feature of all of these nations is Islam. It is Islam that unites these nations in a common visceral hatred of the west. It is also Islam that is currently causing these people to churn and roil in revolutions, throwing off the secular dictators who had tried to keep them by force in the modern world.


TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Theology; Worship
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1 posted on 07/08/2012 6:38:58 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

Thank you for this. Funny, I was actually looking for this list.


2 posted on 07/08/2012 6:46:09 AM PDT by mom4melody
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To: mom4melody

praise God! Have a good day of rest! Psalm 92


3 posted on 07/08/2012 6:50:21 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

As I read this and other articles you have posted I begin to wonder why the antiChrist villain in the Left Behind books was European. I have read several other books that also give the antiChrist European roots. From what you have posted, and from most other Biblical sources it seems to me that the only logical conclusion is that the antiChrist will not be European, but moslem. In fact, the moslem 12th imam, a figure that they believe will one day return and annhialate the Jews, is a perfect parrallel to the man described as the antiChrist in the Bible. Why do you think Lehaye and Jenkins chose a European antiChrist for their Left Behind book series?


4 posted on 07/08/2012 7:17:20 AM PDT by gop4lyf (Socialism is the political dream of the unachiever, the excuse maker, and the lazy.)
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To: gop4lyf

Here is a short answer, they do so because Daniel 9 said of the Anti-Chrst(The Prince that shall come), that His people will be the ones who destroyed the temple. I admit I lean toward this view as well, although I see why there is a growing consensus that AC will be MUSLIM. The ROman Empire had an eastern and a western dimension, so it could be either way. Another reason is because “Anti” means a substitute for, therefore they reason He must be some kind of a pseudo christian. Anyone else out there want to comment?


5 posted on 07/08/2012 7:28:08 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

The people who destroyed the 1st Temple, or the 2nd? I cannot remember who destroyed the 1st. Was it the Babylonians?


6 posted on 07/08/2012 7:48:08 AM PDT by gop4lyf (Socialism is the political dream of the unachiever, the excuse maker, and the lazy.)
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To: pastorbillrandles

If that passage has been misinterpreted to mean the destroyers of the 2nd, when it meant the 1st, then that would also indicate a moslem antiChrist.


7 posted on 07/08/2012 8:01:15 AM PDT by gop4lyf (Socialism is the political dream of the unachiever, the excuse maker, and the lazy.)
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To: gop4lyf
Yes, it is very insteresting how the Mahdi/12th Imam predicted by the moslims fits the antichrist so well. But you would think that when Jesus comes back people would have to be insane not to recognize him after all the stuff predicted in revalation comes to pass. But Satan has it all planned out well. The muslim hadith talks about the coming of the dajal (the muslim version of the antichrist, who opposes their mahdi) at the end of times. They say the dajal will fight against their mahdi and will be the hero of the infidels and work miracles and muslims have to be careful not to be "led astray"(sounds like Jesus's second coming....hmmm). So the muslims have it all backwards. They will welcome the antichrist as their hero and view the messiah as the antichrist.

The muslims also claims Jesus (Isa) as one of their prophets but say he never actually died on the cross. They say he wil come back with the mahdi at the end of times and break the cross and destroy the infidels. Sounds like satan's ultimate dream...

8 posted on 07/08/2012 9:34:33 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: gop4lyf; pastorbillrandles

I too read the Left Behind series. In regards to the anti-christ being European.......look at Europe today.

They are being overwhelmed and over taken by the moos-limbs.


9 posted on 07/08/2012 9:40:53 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: pastorbillrandles; gop4lyf; DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
The shape of the locusts

First you need a map of the Middle East, here's one.

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/middle_east_pol97.jpg

Print, then rotate the map 90 degrees so that west becomes north, in a sense.

Revelation 9

7 The shape of the locusts was like horses prepared for battle. On their heads were crowns of something like gold, and their faces were like the faces of men. 8 They had hair like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. 9 And they had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the sound of chariots with many horses running into battle. 10 They had tails like scorpions, and there were stings in their tails. Their power was to hurt men five months. 11 And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.

1. Horses prepared for battle, Turkey is the rider with an upraised arm.

2. Crowns of gold, Sinai

3. Faces of men, Jordan

4. Women's hair, Lebanon

5. Lions teeth, Jordan

6. Breastplates of iron, Iraq

7. Wings, Iraq

8. Tails like scorpions, Somalia and the UAE

Also, See: Amos 7:1
This is what the Sovereign LORD showed me: He was preparing swarms of locusts after the king’s share had been harvested and just as the second crop was coming up.

Second crop, ie the revived Ottoman Empire. Psalm 110:1
Of David. A psalm. The LORD says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”

Ottoman, it's an empire, it's a footstool.

http://www.naqshbandi.org/ottomans/maps/

Remember that Turkey was the Greek mainland, and that many of the books of the New Testament were written to Greek churches in what is now called Turkey.

Now you need a map of the 7 Churches of Revelation, oh here's one.

Print and rotate...

http://www.christianwalks.org/maps/seven_churches.htm

Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamon (Pergamos) , Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea form the outline of a (right) foot with Pergamos the heel mark! See: Genesis 3: 14, 15.

And... Job 41
1 “Can you draw out Leviathan with a hook,
7 Can you fill his skin with harpoons, Or his head with fishing spears?

Look at Turkey's head (good fishing in those waters). Now his arm, broken at Istanbul
Job 38:15
From the wicked their light is withheld, And the upraised arm is broken.

And...

Psalm 37:17
For the arms of the wicked shall be broken, But the LORD upholds the righteous.

For the record I did not crack the shape of the locusts, (Rev 9) a friend did who wishes to remain anonymous. Thank you all!
The AC is a Muslim...

As always there's Lots more...

10 posted on 07/08/2012 3:01:56 PM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (Chi ha-Olamim)
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To: pastorbillrandles; Titanites; Eleutheria5; jjotto; Zionist Conspirator
I'm sorry, but your statement The Edomite Kingdom was defeated by David and Saul and made subject to Judah for centuries as a vassal state. They would play a role in the destruction of the temple by Nebuchadnessar, rising up against their former rulers, cutting off escape routes and openly gloating in the destruction of the Jewish people.

Eventually they intermarried with the Ishmaelites, and Midianites, and Moabites, and comprise much of the Middle Eastern Arabs.

is wrong

Do read Maccabees to see the historical facts of what happened to the Idumeans. The Maccabees who fought against the Seleucids conquered the Edomites/Idumeans and forcibly converted them to Judaism.

Herod the Great was an Idumean and the Idumeans and Judeans became one people. Many Idumeans perished in the Jewish uprising and the remainder became one with the Judean people to be henceforth known as Jews

The Edomite nation hence perished

in the meanwhile their land was taken over by the Nabateans who had moved into Edom (when the Israelites were taken away by Nebuchadnezzar, the Edomiates moved in and the Nabateans took over Edom's former territory)

11 posted on 07/09/2012 12:35:08 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: gop4lyf
Daniel's was talking of the First Temple (Solomon's) which was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar II in 587 BC

the Second Temple was created thanks to the Persian king and it was destroyed or rather defiled by the Greeks of the Seleucid Empire. This defilement was ended by the Maccabees (read the Book of Maccabees to understand this)

The third temple was built by Herod the Great and destroyed during the Jewish revolt.

12 posted on 07/09/2012 12:44:16 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
The muslims also claims Jesus (Isa) as one of their prophets but say he never actually died on the cross. They say he wil come back with the mahdi at the end of times and break the cross and destroy the infidels. Sounds like satan's ultimate dream...

The theme of Jesus never actually dying is also Jehovah's Witness... and I think (but not sure) Mormon

13 posted on 07/09/2012 1:00:03 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: NoGrayZone
That's a generalization -- in all of central europe bar Germany, the population of Moslems is less than 1% and not growing that fast

in italy, norway, spain they are 2 to 4%

In France, Germany and the UK this is about 5%. In France much of the Moslems are non-believers (just like the Christians) -- about 55%. Ditto for Germany. The reasons are that the Moslems in France (Algerians) and Germany (Turks) are not as radicalised as Arabs or pakistanis. The UK has more Pakis and heavily radicalised

however, I don't expect any of these western European nations to succumb to islam.

Note that in the USA we have 0.8% of the population who are Moslems -- just like much of central europe

14 posted on 07/09/2012 1:04:46 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

The point is that Esau and Jacob (and Ishmael) are spiritual essences, not just what happened to DNA.

So if the Edomite kingdom perished, it’s spiritual essence essence will too.


15 posted on 07/09/2012 4:11:22 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Cronos

Just curious: Has the prophecy of Obadiah been fulfilled?


16 posted on 07/09/2012 4:14:22 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: pastorbillrandles

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17 posted on 07/09/2012 4:45:35 AM PDT by sport
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To: Cronos

Thanks Cronos. I should have said that the Edomite Kingdom was subjugated by David, ( 2 Samuel 8) maintained in subjection by Saul, and only remained as a vassal state until the reign of Jehoram,(2 Kings 8). I am going to devote another article in this series to
Edom in particular, in which I speak of the Herods, and the record of the Maccabees, and the prophecies of Ezekiel and Obadiah. According to Balaam’s prophecy, the struggle against the Edomites continues to the very end of time.


18 posted on 07/09/2012 6:38:57 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles
could be an internal Jewish problem then. But in Numbers I read And he shall possess Idumea: the inheritance of Seir shall come to their enemies, but Israel shall do manfully. and no more about Edom
19 posted on 07/09/2012 7:48:01 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: jjotto
in my opinion, yes, the Nabateans replaced the Edomites/Idumeans And they that are toward the south, shall inherit the mount of Esau, and they that are in the plains, the Philistines: and they shall possess the country of Ephraim, and the country of Samaria: and Benjamin shall possess Galaad.
20 posted on 07/09/2012 7:56:27 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

Thanks again Cronos. Remember that the prophecy in Numbers was a telling about what “this people” shall do “In the latter days”. Ezekiel 35, Psalm 83 and Obadiah have a future element to be fulfilled.


21 posted on 07/09/2012 7:57:30 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: Cronos
Do read Maccabees to see the historical facts of what happened to the Idumeans.

1)The Books of the Maccabees are not canonical scripture and were not written under the influence of Ruach HaQodesh. The Scriptural canon had already been closed by the 'Anshei-HaKenesset HaGedolah.

2)The Books of the Maccabees are part of the chrstian "old testament," and as all good chrstians know are not to be interpreted literally. They are poetic fugues of a primitive people who thought the earth was flat and that it was alright to kill Canaanites. Is this not so?

22 posted on 07/09/2012 12:00:51 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Say what you like, but I repeat what I said Do read Maccabees to see the historical facts of what happened to the Idumeans -- you don't have to take it as scriptural, but it is historical.
23 posted on 07/09/2012 12:12:47 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: gop4lyf

The Babylonians had already destroyed the first temple. Daniel 9 is a prediction of the second destruction, by the Romans (fulfilled in 70Ad)but ironically though sepaerate by 600 years they occurred on the same calender day, Tish ba aav(The ninth of AV)


24 posted on 07/09/2012 12:30:59 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: Cronos
Say what you like, but I repeat what I said Do read Maccabees to see the historical facts of what happened to the Idumeans -- you don't have to take it as scriptural, but it is historical.

How do you know it's historical? How do you know it wasn't influenced by the political situation and the biases of the author?

I'm confused. I thought there was no history in "the old testament." Is it historical or is it not historical? Is it the historicity of only the first eleven chapters of Genesis that you object to?

25 posted on 07/09/2012 12:47:17 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
ZC: I thought there was no history in "the old testament." -- keep thinking it.

Is it the historicity of only the first eleven chapters of Genesis that you object to? -- if you object to the historicity of the first 11 chapters of Genesis, then keep doing so.

26 posted on 07/09/2012 5:07:23 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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