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The Elephant in the Room: Mitt’s Mormon Faith [Which is why one-third still don't know he's Lds]
ThyBlackMan.com ^ | July 10, 2012 | Kevin M. Jackson

Posted on 07/11/2012 5:53:57 AM PDT by Colofornian

(ThyBlackMan.com) If you remember during the 2008 Presidential election, there was a strong effort to try to expose the faith of then Senator Obama. Many tried to label him an extremist because of his connection with the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright.

I am curious to know if Mitt Romney will receive the same type of treatment given the lack of knowledge that most Americans have about the Mormon faith. I think that faith must be on the table since it was a factor in the previous election. Perhaps the reason it has not be raised is because the GOP leaders know that up to 25% of their base absolutely will not vote for a Mormon regardless of his credentials.

Let’s take a look at some of the beliefs of GOP Presidential Candidate, Mitt Romney Mormon’s faith. All of the information provided was taken from the Mormon Faith Tenets.

According a Christian Post article,” What do Mormons Believe? Ex-Mormon speaks out, October 18, 2011 by reporter Devenish the following items were cited about Mormon beliefs:

I took the time to itemize some of the different beliefs that Mitt Romney believes in to show that he is not a perfect candidate just because he seemingly names the name of Christ. We have to be careful with the Trojan Horses the GOP sends our way in the name of religion.

I challenge all of the African American pastors to consider if they want to vote for someone who believes totally different from what they preach every Sunday. If you can vote for Mitt Romney with a clear conscience knowing his religious beliefs, his insensitive policies that do not benefit the African American community then go for it. If you have reservations, then you must consider our current commander and chief.

Staff Writer; Kevin M. Jackson


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From the article: If you remember during the 2008 Presidential election, there was a strong effort to try to expose the faith of then Senator Obama. Many tried to label him an extremist because of his connection with the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright. I am curious to know if Mitt Romney will receive the same type of treatment given the lack of knowledge that most Americans have about the Mormon faith. I think that faith must be on the table since it was a factor in the previous election.

(But you don't understand, ThyBlackMan...faith was allowed to be on the table in '08 due to anti-Obama sentiment; but if you're anti-Romney, that = "anti-Mormon"...and the very same ones who had zero qualms about Zero's religious ties suddenly emerged as "Thou shalt keep religion to thyself" re: Romney.

From the article:

Well, this writer simply doesn't know that even 12 yr old boys become part of the Mormon "priesthood"...so Lds don't use "priesthood" as "clergy"...so in Mormonism -- while Mitt Romney was 31 years old -- a 12 yo white boy had more standing in the Mormon church than ANY black man. That boy could grow up to get married in the Mormon temple; no black man could. That boy could hold eventual "callings"; no black man could.

***************************** This mentions the polling data which say still a third of people don't know Romney is Mormon...http://www.mediaite.com/online/mitt-romney-is-a-mormon-get-over-it/

From the article: The Mormon faith teaches that God the Father was initially a regular man who had a wife and they both lived on a celestial planet. They conceived and produced celestial offspring which gave birth to spirits that created Jesus, the devil and mankind. Once babies are born, they receive one of these spirits. (Journal of Discourses Vol. 6 page 265)

(List for me the differences 'tween Mormonism and Scientology again)

Mormons do not believe in hell

(Clarification needed: Mormons believe in hell; just not eternal hell...which, when you consider a parallel of somebody who says they believe in heaven -- just not eternal heaven -- kind of amounts to the same thing)

1 posted on 07/11/2012 5:54:02 AM PDT by Colofornian
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From the article: Mormons believe that the gospel will be propagated through the Book of Mormon, not the bible. (Doctrines and Covenants section 10)

Yet, strangely, the Book of Mormon ISN'T the source for ALL kinds of key Lds teachings...yet the Doctrine & Covenants repeatedly claims the Book of Mormon contains the FULNESS of the Mormon gospel! Mormon "sacred" things not found in the Mormon "sacred" BoM:

1. Church organizational structure and titles of leaders [Hey, we don't need to provoke pagans into laughter by coming up with religious titles like the bishopric, do we?]
2. gods...plural [due to insistance by some FReeper Mormons that they only worship one godhead, a few FI have begun referencing that belief as polymonotheism]
3. Plurality of wives doctrine [Ah. Polymonogamy]
4. Word of Wisdom [I guess the people of South America weren't very wise about Brazilian coffee]
5. God is an exalted man [Who knew this facebook boy would make it big? Hmm...a god who worshiped his own god/gods once upon a time, eh?]
6. Celestial marriage [If you want to become an eternal polygamist, current Lds church policy says you can...just make sure you secure permission of anybody you've divorced & get "married" to your multiple SERIAL spouses one at a time in the temple for eternity]
7. Men may become Gods ["Hey, God, move over...you can go ahead & take my measurements for my throne"]
8. Three degrees of glory [Mormons tout resurrection for all; yet John says there's a resurrection unto "damnation" (John 5:29) -- not too glorious]
9. Baptism for the dead [monopoly on the religio-necro industry, that's for sure! I think we should call this a polymonopoly on necro-baptisms...when are they going to open up fast-food-like windows to meet the demand to grow with more genealogical records online?]
10. Eternal progression [at least til you hit the ceiling of your assigned glory...you terrestials aren't getting out!]
11. The Aaronic Priesthood [yeah, like the Bible -- apostle Paul -- says, these 12-year-old "elders" better keep to one wife!]
12. Temple works of washings, anointing, endowments, sealing; along with temple -- at least for its newly re-purposed usage [I guess the people of the Book of Mormon times weren't very "sacred" compared to contemporary Mormons]

From the article: Mormons believe that you can own your own planet if you are a good Mormon, married in the temple and tithe.

Strange that many Lds deny this obvious repeated teaching STILL taught in Mormon courses to its young today!

2 posted on 07/11/2012 5:57:15 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
could be worse...

could be Islamic

could be a Scientologist


3 posted on 07/11/2012 6:01:54 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Colofornian

While I find most of the bullet points odd, at best, I don’t consider even one of them relevant when voting for a President of the United States. The real problem with Romney is his political views, which make him one of the ten worst major party nominees for president in history. The only relevant question is whether (a) being so far to the left is completely disqualifying or (b) running against the very worst occupant of our White House in history is enough to earn Romney our votes. His church’s views on the Trinity or on the geographic location to which Jesus will return strike me as completely irrelevant.


4 posted on 07/11/2012 6:03:14 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Colofornian

Fine,this strong effort to expose Obamas religion in the last campaign seems to have fallen flat as recent polls show many still don’t know what obamas religion is,so I would love to revisit that debate.We could , look in depth at Black Liberation Theology and see that all Obama thinks about is a Marxist Black ideology.So by all means bring it on


5 posted on 07/11/2012 6:05:36 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Colofornian
Strange that many Lds deny this obvious repeated teaching STILL taught in Mormon courses to its young today!

Mitt Romney. The Presidential Candidate from the Planet Kolob.

7 posted on 07/11/2012 6:14:33 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Vaquero

you are absolutely correct.

colofornian would rather have a practitioner of Islam as president than a mormon.

God save America from 4 more years of Obama.


8 posted on 07/11/2012 6:17:01 AM PDT by IWONDR
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To: Colofornian

single issue poster alert.


9 posted on 07/11/2012 6:18:41 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: jimt

It’s his full time job...


11 posted on 07/11/2012 6:23:04 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Colofornian

Yawwwnnnnnn....

Next subject.


12 posted on 07/11/2012 6:23:36 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: Colofornian

There is nothing about the beliefs of Mormonism that strikes me as any stranger than the beliefs of other religions if one views them objectively. I’m not denigrating any faith but they all have elements that don’t succumb to reason in an objective sense.


14 posted on 07/11/2012 6:26:17 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: Colofornian

a 12 yo white boy had more standing in the Mormon church than ANY black man.
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Or any woman white or black...

and that 12 year old kid STILL has more standing than women...

In fact he has authority over his own mother...

so much for family...

an upside down out-of=control household is not a “nice family” by any means...

and definitely not Biblical...


15 posted on 07/11/2012 6:33:39 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Colofornian

JFK’s Catholicism was in issue in the 1960 election, and he won. There’s a way to fight this.


16 posted on 07/11/2012 6:38:09 AM PDT by jeffc (Welcome to the United Socialist States of America)
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To: P-Marlowe

* Mormons do not believe in the trinity.

[False: mormons believe in 3 separate beings in what they call the God Head: God, The Father, His Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. a slightly different interpretation of the Trinity than other Christian faiths.]

* Mormons do not believe in grace.

[False: mormons absolutely believe that it is only through the atoning grace of our Good Lord that mankind is saved.]

* Mormons do not believe in the original sin of man.

[False: mormons believe that Christ atoned for all our sins, including Adam’s, and as it says in the Bible, suffer little children to come unto me as such is the Kingdom of Heaven]

* Mormons do not believe in hell.

[False: mormons believe in what they call outer darkness, where those who deny Christ are sent.]

The writer of this article needs to get his facts straight by talking to a mormon before repeating what other non- or ex-mormons may have said or written.


17 posted on 07/11/2012 6:38:51 AM PDT by IWONDR
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To: Colofornian

I have mixed feelings about Romney’s relationship to Mormonism. Part of me worries that he believes in it and part of me says that Mitt Romney doesn’t really believe in anything but increasing his personal power over the rest of us. I’m not sure which is worse.


18 posted on 07/11/2012 6:45:08 AM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Colofornian
If you remember during the 2008 Presidential election, there was a strong effort to try to expose the faith of then Senator Obama.

I'll read the article after I stop laughing at the introduction sentence. That may take hours.

19 posted on 07/11/2012 6:48:38 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: scram2; Colofornian; Jim Robinson

Every day I stop by FR, mostly to lurk and peruse the articles posted. Rarely do I get half way through the first page before I find an article posted that’s purposely harmful to Mitt, and most often not relevant to the presidency. It’s tiresome frankly. For me personally, it is the single reason I’ve stopped contributing.

I believe I stand with many at FR that believes, that Miit is far from our favorite candidate, or first choice for that matter. But if you think that 4 more years of Obama, regardless of the house and senate count, is going to be better for this country in the near term or the long term, you’re delusional.

All the people on this site who say they support our military and are doing their best to tear down Romney, is supporting another 4 years of this madness. Obama despises our troops. I don’t believe for one second that Romney does. Yes, I’m tired of the RINO’s as much as anyone, but I believe this is a unique situation. Romney can be managed with a majority in both houses. Obama will push the envelope in his second term regardless of the house or senate (see russia comments). He’ll push it to the point that forces the Republicans to act and many will lose they’re spines. I’d rather take the chance of managing or reversing the decay than to help accelarate by electing BHO.


20 posted on 07/11/2012 6:59:35 AM PDT by TheRake
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To: IWONDR
Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

21 posted on 07/11/2012 7:01:48 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: IWONDR

Mormons do not believe in the Trinity.


22 posted on 07/11/2012 7:02:01 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: muir_redwoods
There is nothing about the beliefs of Mormonism that strikes me as any stranger than the beliefs of other religions if one views them objectively.

Oh really? Check out the ritual that mormons must undergo in order to gain "exaltation" and sit next to their god in a made-up kingdom.

Pay attention to the "law of consecration" which Mitt has sworn to uphold, which dedicates everything he will ever have to the mormon church.

You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.

LDS secret temple ceremony

Elite mormons, which Mitt is, can have their salvation guaranteed while they still live!

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 305:

Calling & Election To Be Made Sure

Contend earnestly for the like precious faith with the Apostle Peter, "and add to you faith, virtue," knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness, charity [D&C 4]; "for if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Another point, after having all these qualifications, he lays this injunction upon the people "to make your calling and election sure." He is emphatic upon this subject--after adding all this virtue, knowledge, etc., "Make your calling and election sure." What is the secret--the starting point? "According as His divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness." How did he obtain all things? Through the knowledge of Him who hath called him. There could not anything be given, pertaining to life and godliness, without knowledge. Woe! woe! Woe to Christendom!--especially the divines and priests if this be true.

Salvation is for a man to be saved from all his enemies; for until a man can triumph over death, he is not saved. A knowledge of the priesthood alone will do this.

Bruce R. McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3:325-353.

But in the most express and proper usage of the terms, "The elect of God comprise a very select group, an inner circle of faithful members of the Church.... They are the portion of church members who are striving with all their hearts to keep the fulness of the gospel law in this life so that they can become inheritors of the fulness of the gospel rewards in the life to come.

"As far as the male sex is concerned, they are the ones, the Lord says, who have the Melchizedek Priesthood conferred upon them and who thereafter magnify their callings and are sanctified by the Spirit. In this way, 'They become the sons of Moses and of Aaron and the seed of Abraham, and the church and kingdom, and the elect of God.' " (Mormon Doctrine, 2nd ed., 217.) See Commentary 2: 267-269, 271-278, 283-285.

[4] What is meant by making an election sure?

It is with election as with calling: the chosen of the Lord are offered all of the blessings of the gospel on condition of obedience to the Lord's laws; and they, having been tried and tested and found worthy in all things, eventually have a seal placed on their election which guarantees the receipt of the promised blessing.

[5] What is meant by having one's calling and election made sure?

To have one's calling and election made sure is to be sealed up unto eternal life; it is to have the unconditional guarantee of exaltation in the highest heaven of the celestial world; it is to receive the assurance of godhood; it is, in effect, to have the day of judgment advanced, so that an inheritance of all the glory and honor of the Father's kingdom is assured prior to the day when the faithful actually enter into the divine presence to sit with Christ in his throne, even as he is "set down" with his "Father in his throne." (Rev 3:21.)


I don't know of any other religion with such beliefs.

23 posted on 07/11/2012 7:03:13 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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To: Colofornian

Thanks for the info. All of the Mormons I know are fine, upstanding, scandal free, citizens. This makes me think Romney would make an outstanding president.


24 posted on 07/11/2012 7:03:28 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: IWONDR

Mormons do not believe in Grace.


25 posted on 07/11/2012 7:03:47 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: IWONDR
So exactly how does a ex-Mormon know less about Mormonism than an active one...

On just one point alone in your post I have been told by ACTIVE Mormons on this very forum that the Trinity does not exist, it was made up by man.

The Mormon interpretation does not very SLIGHTLY from the Christian, it clearly delineates between Christian Monotheism and older heretical Polytheism, a very big difference...

The rest of the points are equally valid...

26 posted on 07/11/2012 7:07:18 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: IWONDR

Mormons do not believe in the original sin of man.


27 posted on 07/11/2012 7:07:36 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: IWONDR

Mormons do not believe in Hell.


28 posted on 07/11/2012 7:09:13 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Vaquero
Hey . Why not start a thread in the Religion Forum about those two belief systems, it could be interesting. This thread is about mormonISM.
29 posted on 07/11/2012 7:09:52 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: norwaypinesavage

His politics not withstanding...


30 posted on 07/11/2012 7:16:08 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Colofornian

And don’t forget Obama and the commie Demorats will go after Romney for his church history of discrimination against blacks.

It will take everything we have to get this Marxist/Muslim usurper out of our White House.


31 posted on 07/11/2012 7:16:51 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: svcw
Hey . Why not start a thread in the Religion Forum about those two belief systems, it could be interesting. This thread is about mormonISM.

I acknowledge but reject your thesis....this thread is about politics masquerading as religion...

32 posted on 07/11/2012 7:17:22 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Salvation is for a man to be saved from all his enemies; for until a man can triumph over death, he is not saved. A knowledge of the priesthood alone will do this.

Bruce R. McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3:325-353.
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Well that doesnt leave any room for a belief in the soul saving Blood of the LORD Jesus Christ that He shed on the Cross for us does it ???


33 posted on 07/11/2012 7:22:03 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: svcw

I thought this thread was about how Mitten’s faith was an “elephant in the room” regarding his qualifications for President of the United States. Frankly, I can’t see how someone who does not believe in Grace, vs. someone who does, would decide to ban some kinds of guns (or not), or push for a flat tax, or prosecute Wall Street crimes such as those committed by Jon Corzine and Jamie Dimon, or go after the people involved in Fast and Furious. Etc.

Perhaps you or another on this thread can enlighten me how such metaphysical beliefs could amount to the elephant in the room, as regards these questions. As far as I can tell, it makes no difference, and for that matter, I don’t see much difference in the way Romney would respond to the issues I raised, vs. Obama. (E.g. signing an “assault weapons” ban as he did.)


34 posted on 07/11/2012 7:26:24 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: muir_redwoods

I agree with your conclusion and note that this country has among its many values as provided under the Constitution, freedom of religious belief. I don’t belief as Mr. Romeny does, but unless he would attempt to impose his religious beliefs on me or others, that is, and should be, irrelevant to the presidential race. Any attempt by him to force his beliefs on others in his capacity as President would violate the First Amendment, in my view.

That does not mean that his religious beliefs have no impact on his policy positions, but that is true of anyone. Is there anything about his Mormonism that would take away from important policy positions regarding: the economy, foreign affairs, immigration, etc.? That would be a valid discussion, but to attack Romney, or anyone, on account of his faith strikes me as wrong-headed.


35 posted on 07/11/2012 7:26:45 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: Vaquero

So Mormonism is political?

Well don’t tell them that, they deny it every time...


36 posted on 07/11/2012 7:30:31 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22
"His politics not withstanding..."

Not withstanding what?

Romney is a right of center Republican who supports:
Killing ObamaCare
Lower tax rates
Energy Independence
Life for all unborn children
American Exceptionalism
Strong Military

You don't like these?

37 posted on 07/11/2012 7:33:40 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: ejonesie22
So Mormonism is political? Well don't tell them that, they deny it every time...

no...I said the article was political...you can tell by the title ‘The Elephant in the Room: Mitt's Mormon Faith (Which is why one-third still don't know he's Lds)’

38 posted on 07/11/2012 7:38:27 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Colofornian

You are so boring that you make this webiste boring.


39 posted on 07/11/2012 7:50:14 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Colofornian
The ten tribes of Israel will return back to Missouri.

Which two tribes won't be there and where are they going?

then you must consider our current commander and chief.

He had me until he said that.

I'll consider Virgil Goode, thank you.

By the way, he's the Commander in Chief, not and

40 posted on 07/11/2012 7:54:13 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: norwaypinesavage
Romney is a right of center Republican who supports: Killing ObamaCare Lower tax rates Energy Independence Life for all unborn children American Exceptionalism Strong Military

His mouth says that, but his record doesn't.
41 posted on 07/11/2012 7:56:02 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: Vaquero

Ok?
If you really think that, how about a compare and contrast of the two you mentioned plus mormonISM against the campaign.
Rather than just say (the two you mentioned) are worse, tell us why you think that.
Why are they worse?
What would be the difference if one system were elected over the other?
Why would mormonISM be better than the other two, (just guessing that’s what you think)?
Throw in some of the words of their leaders, what do you think would be the end result based on their history, if they could follow through on their respective systems.
It appears you want this thread to be about politics,
go beyond a sound bite: “the other two would be worse”.


42 posted on 07/11/2012 7:57:29 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Vaquero
So the article should be ignored, or the fact that Mitt is the most prominent Mormon should be...

Exactly how should it be handled given it is religious but mentions a politician who is a practitioner of said faith...

43 posted on 07/11/2012 8:00:56 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I don’t see any of that as one whit stranger than virgin birth, bodily ascent into heaven, the resurrection of the dead, talking snakes, burning bushes, or separating seas.

I’m not ridiculing any article if faith; I just ask you and others to view your own beliefs objectively before you criticize other beliefs


44 posted on 07/11/2012 8:05:02 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: norwaypinesavage
Really?

Killing ObamaCare Romney's advisers who wrote obamaCare, they have said Romney will not repeal obamaCare.

Lower tax rates Romney's record does not demonstrate that proclivity, he uses the phrase "the one percenters", hardly a tax cutting phrase.

Energy Independence Huh?

Life for all unborn children Not possible since Romney supports abortion. That has been his view since he became an adult, he governed that way (free and $50 abortions), he campaigned for senate and governor as rabid pro-abortion. Romney's history until the last week or so is pro-abortion.

American Exceptionalism Maybe, except he wants to tax job creators, IE those nasty one percenters.

Strong Military Maybe, he does equate his sons campaigning for him as the same as military service.

H46>Just so you are aware, this is the religion forum.

45 posted on 07/11/2012 8:07:52 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: TheRake
Every day I stop by FR, mostly to lurk and peruse the articles posted. Rarely do I get half way through the first page before I find an article posted that’s purposely harmful to Mitt, and most often not relevant to the presidency. It’s tiresome frankly. For me personally, it is the single reason I’ve stopped contributing.

And yet you get to keep spouting your opinions, even after admitting that you're a FReeloader. Isn't F.R. wonderful.

Not denigrating people who feel they can't afford to give, just those who try to influence policy and opinion by withholding contributions.

Let me ask, "TheRake", if you're a church goer, do you cut back on your contributions because of all the hypocrites in church or the church already has enough money or something the Pastor or Priest teaches that you disagree with? Don't bother to answer that, consider it rhetorical, since you've already shown us your character.

46 posted on 07/11/2012 8:11:23 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Pollster1

Romney’s mormonISM beliefs are his core, they make him who he is and color every decision he makes, for that reason to know something about mormonISM would help you know about Romney.


47 posted on 07/11/2012 8:11:56 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: norwaypinesavage
I love all of those of course, but like with all things Mitt they are just words.

In response I have one word.

Romneycare.

And I would not be to quick on the Life for Unborn Children thing.

Have you not been on FR in a few years, read the numerous documents about Mitt's actions (not his words, they are meaningless)...

If you do you'll see your "right of center" is a tick off...

48 posted on 07/11/2012 8:12:52 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: TheRake

Well said. Unfortunately it will sail right over the heads of the “my way or the highway” members who cannot seem to grasp the primary is OVER and now it the time for the Party to get behind its’ nominee whether they personally approve of him not.

It is amazing to see people here who actually believe there is no difference, NONE, between the Marxist, ant American, Congress skirting putz in the WH and Romney.

I am convinced that at least some of them are liberal plants no matter how long they have been registered. Personally I have been a registered member of a couple of far Left sites for over 10 yrs ( as have others here mentioned they are also) and take great delight in dropping very subtle bombs now and again just to get the morons riled up at each other.

For some inexplicable reason people here on FR equate length of time registered as some sort of proof of Conservative credentials. It’s nuts but there is no explaining the lack of common sense in some folks.


49 posted on 07/11/2012 8:24:00 AM PDT by scram2
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To: IWONDR
Three gods of mormonISM is not the Trinity.

The (lds) grace is not grace at all if one has to work for salvation, Grace is a free gift. The lds jesus is not capable of giving this free gift, he is so insufficient, the 'believer' has to help him out.

The lds do not beleive in original sin, of course, Adam is incapable of sin since he is a god.

The lds 'hell' is not hell at all, it is just the lowest level of the lds celestial state of being, and you don't get your own planet.

The writer of the article uses the words and teachings of lds, that's pretty much the same as 'talking to an lds member", well better really because most lds members don't have a clue what lds actually is founded on.

50 posted on 07/11/2012 8:24:12 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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