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To: Jack Hydrazine
It just wouldn't be a day on FR without some hateful anti-Catholic ranting, would it?

What color was synonymous with the ancient Roman Empire. Red. The Catholic Church? Red.

Okay, so exactly how is red associated with the Roman Empire? Purple was the color of authority, wealth, and power in Rome, not red. Senators wore purple-trimmed togas. The Emperor wore a toga that was entirely purple. Red? Well, scarlet, close to red, was the second most expensive dye in the ancient world, so it was associated with wealth and power also, among Jews, Romans, and everyone else (cf Exodus 39:1).

Red, "synonymous" with the Catholic Church? Really? Dave Hunt says that purple and scarlet are synonymous with the Catholic Church. He's wrong, too.

Here's the Papal flag. I don't see much red on it, just a thin red rope binding the two keys together. Most of it is silver and gold:

vatican flag

How many Nazis did the Church help flee Europe? According to Sam Donaldson about 60,000 via the Rat Line.

Yes, and we should all believe everything Sam Donaldson, that paragon of conservative historical wisdom and objectivity, says, right? Does Dan Rather agree with him? And where is Keith Olbermann in all of this? /s

I have no idea how many Nazis "escaped" via the "ratline". I strongly doubt there were ever *60,000* Nazis who could have been legitimately tried for war crimes but who escaped justice. Six thousand, perhaps.

The "ratline" was mostly run by one man, an Austrian bishop named Alois Hudal, who was definitely a Nazi sympathizer. When the Pope found out about it, Hudal's operation was shut down and he was disciplined.

Oh, and about that Pope? According to former Israeli consul to Italy Pinchas Lapide*, Pius XII saved 860,000 Jews from the Nazis. The lie that Pius XII "did nothing" or "was silent," or the worse lie that he was in league with the Nazis (Hitler wanted to kill him!) is the residue of a KGB disinformation operation. Should we regard the trash that the KGB put out during the Cold War as gospel truth, as much as anything Sam Donaldson says?

We Catholics are frequently accused of calling any disagreement with Catholicism "bigotry". That's wrong; we don't do that. But I have no compunction at all about calling this garbage "bigotry," because that's what it is.

Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly. -- Albert Einstein, quoted in Time magazine, 12/23/1940

*Lapide, Pinchas; Three Popes and the Jews; Hawthorn Books, 1967, p. 214

13 posted on 07/14/2012 2:15:52 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Campion

Within Jewish writings have always tied Edom, ancient Rome, the Catholic Church, and Christianity to Esav.

Like I said before the descendants of Esav and Yaakov now get along. Now it is a matter dealing with Esav’s grandson, Amalek, that we need to be concerned with now.


17 posted on 07/14/2012 3:19:49 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Campion

The Pope, Eichmann and the Nazi ‘Ratlines’
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/juliankossoff/100030163/the-pope-eichmann-and-the-nazi-ratlines/


21 posted on 07/24/2012 3:53:22 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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