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ORDER. TRAITIONS. GOD's ORDER.
Faith | GOD-inspired

Posted on 07/15/2012 4:03:53 AM PDT by jesus4life

Remember the LORD in all things.


TOPICS: Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Ministry/Outreach
KEYWORDS: god; holyspirit; jesus; order
TO ALL,

The head of every man is CHRIST. The head of CHRIST is GOD.

Please pray the LORD's PRAYER and please read:

1 CORINTHIANS 11:1-16

Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.

3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.

9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?

14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

GOD BLESS US ALL,

Jesus4life

1 posted on 07/15/2012 4:04:09 AM PDT by jesus4life
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To: jesus4life

What are Traitions? And what do they have to do with these passages?


2 posted on 07/15/2012 4:08:20 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: jesus4life
Well, since you bring it up,

Our Lord actually said this:

I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

He was pretty clear about it.

I don't see anything in there about holy spirits, sons, saints, moshiachs, flag officers, etc.

Just sayin'

Hear O Israel the Lord our God the Lord is ONE.
3 posted on 07/15/2012 4:19:29 AM PDT by golux
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To: sr4402

sr4402,

Glad you asked first.
That’s called a TYPE O. LOL!!
It was meant to say TRADITIONS!! Lol. I didnt even see that( yet, it’s hard from a small screen at times).

No one is perfect, and sometimes the iphone loves to do it’s own “ word correct”, and sometimes I just type it wrong. Again, no one is perfect.

The passage is more important to focus on. Unfortunately when we post things we have to put something in the boxes or we can’t post. So, I just put words there that are from the actually passage or near it.

GOD BLESS US ALL,


4 posted on 07/15/2012 4:32:07 AM PDT by jesus4life
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To: golux

AMEN! But please read more carefully.

GOD BLESS US ALL,


5 posted on 07/15/2012 4:37:17 AM PDT by jesus4life
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To: jesus4life

Thanks for the Scripture!

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:16-17)


6 posted on 07/15/2012 4:55:13 AM PDT by Letmarch75
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To: sr4402

What’s even more hilarious is that, I said to GOD just now, “ Hey, with all the things you all humans to make up with extension of languages ( ebonics, english, british english, etc...), is “ traition” even a word”.

Didnt get an answer for that. Because honestly I didnt really focus on it.

So, I went to dictionary.com and google. NOPE!! It isnt even a word.

But, you never know, it may become one now. LOL!!

Have a great day, because every day is already blessed by the LORD.

GOD BLESS US ALL,


7 posted on 07/15/2012 4:59:13 AM PDT by jesus4life
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To: jesus4life

Lets try that again corrected. LOL!! Read again:

What’s even more hilarious is that, I said to GOD just now, “ Hey, with all the things you ALLOW humans to make up with extension of languages ( ebonics, english, british english, etc...), is “ traition” even a word”.

Didnt get an answer for that. Because honestly I didnt really focus on it.

So, I went to dictionary.com and google. NOPE!! It isnt even a word.

But, you never know, it may become one now. LOL!!

Have a great day, because every day is already blessed by the LORD.

GOD BLESS US ALL,


8 posted on 07/15/2012 5:01:08 AM PDT by jesus4life
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To: Letmarch75

AMEN! You’re welcome, and all thanks and praise to the LORD.

GOD BLESS US ALL,


9 posted on 07/15/2012 5:02:03 AM PDT by jesus4life
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To: jesus4life
The Father is to the Son as the nature of man is to the person that he is. The Son is to the Holy Spirit as the person is to his personality (attitude).

In both cases, the three aspects describe the oneness, the totality of God and the totality of man.

Like length times width times height equals the finite dimensions of an object and/or the infinite directions of space.

So, God is 1 x 1 x 1 = 1, the three are One.

Not one plus one plus one, which states that the three are three. So God is One person with three aspects, not God is three persons. To say otherwise would be to say that man is created in triplicate. Which is clearly not so because when I look in the mirror I can only see one of me.

10 posted on 07/15/2012 5:27:22 AM PDT by Eastbound (3-7-77)
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To: jesus4life

OK, it’s traditions. OK, how do the passages relate to traditions?


11 posted on 07/15/2012 5:38:08 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: Eastbound
So God is One person with three aspects, not God is three persons

But that is the way the Lord Jesus Christ presents God in John chapter 14 by stating what each of the three persons attributes are.

"My Father's house" (verse 2) indicates the Father owns and has a place for His own.

The Father is glorified in the Son (what the Son does [verse 13].

And the Holy Spirit teaches us all things relating to them [verse 26] .

Each person and role is distinct here. The fact that God is three persons acting in unity is something that must be embraced by faith.

12 posted on 07/15/2012 5:58:56 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: sr4402
No problem here. God is another word for the triunity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Besides Him, there is no other. The equation is to make straight the way to understanding the relationship between the three aspects.

The father is the source. The Son is the executive -- executes the will of the Father. The Holy Ghost is the attitude(s) of the Father as manifested by the Son. They are in agreement, or are One.

Mankind reflects the same triunity. Man has a nature (the source or father of his being) whose personality reveals the type person he is. The same can be said of God. The source of Jesus Christ is the Father, whose personality (Holy Spirit) reveals to mankind The person of Christ, hence, God Himself. "I and my Father are One," said Jesus.

The three aspects together reveal the totality of God in the same way that length times width times height reveals the dimensions of an object and the three limitless directions of space.

13 posted on 07/15/2012 12:11:17 PM PDT by Eastbound (3-7-77)
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To: sr4402

I will have a private conversation with you, as it’s better to have a conversation one on one if some one does not actually see something mentioned; or needs to talk about it.

An open conversation on opinions ( which this can easily become), can cause confusion, controversy, etc... which is not what JESUS says for believers to do.

GOD BLESS US ALL,

Jesus4life


14 posted on 07/15/2012 9:56:59 PM PDT by jesus4life
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To: Eastbound

Eastbound,

Grace and peace.

It seem that there is a misunderstanding on something as you are saying something I have not said. So, I just emailed you privately as well to clear this up.

GOD BLESS US ALL,


15 posted on 07/15/2012 10:07:25 PM PDT by jesus4life
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To: jesus4life

Thanks for the mail. Please disregard my posts here. I was thinking out loud and using your post as a blackboard for my thoughts which were irrelevant to your post. Sorry.


16 posted on 07/16/2012 5:58:47 AM PDT by Eastbound (3-7-77)
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To: jesus4life
An open conversation on opinions ( which this can easily become), can cause confusion, controversy, etc... which is not what JESUS says for believers to do.

If you believe this then why post on FreeRepublic which is a discussion forum? Are you not posting this in the Religion section where many believers are?

Once something has been put in a title, it is also up for discussion. And perhaps a further explanation of what you believe about God's order and Traditions would be helpful?

17 posted on 07/16/2012 6:35:20 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: sr4402; All

Anything can be open for a discussion. But usually a person opens things for a discussion by asking a question. I have not asked any questions. But, instead just post bible passages to inspire ( as I have said before).

If someone who is a believer wants to debate or discuss over them, then that’s when I would expect them to understand to follow what the WORD says about debates/discussions/issues ( which I posted before). Which is one on one first, then if that doesnt work bring a witness, if that doesn’t work take it to the church, if that doesnt work then treat the person as a tax collector ( or stranger).

This is what JESUS ordered, and I ( just like I pray all believers) try to be obedient with as much as the gospel they know.

In speaking to a non-believer, then, I would constantly tell them what I am following from the WORD in a private email so that they know why I am not talking to them publicly. As many here have already experienced.

I pray all read this message for furhter understanding on these kinds of matters.

We are all a work in progress, all in different levels of faith, and all reaching for the goal ( I pray).

Love to you and all people in the holy precious name of Jesus Christ,

GOD BLESS US ALL,


18 posted on 07/16/2012 8:56:33 AM PDT by jesus4life
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I have not asked any questions.

But I did: "how do the passages relate to traditions?" since you used that word in your Title: "ORDER. TRADITIONS. GOD's ORDER". You obviously had something in mind with that important title. Would you please explain it.

Why duck the question?

19 posted on 07/16/2012 1:14:14 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: sr4402

MATTHEW 18:15-17


20 posted on 07/16/2012 3:02:50 PM PDT by jesus4life
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To: jesus4life
Matthew 18:15-17: "15 “If your brother or sister[a] sins,[b] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector."

I do not see how asking a simple question on an open forum is sin. Since you have indicated that you are not a preacher, therefore it is up to you to convince the members of the forum and I of your arguments.

Implying that a brother in Christ is a pagan or a tax collector is deeply offensive.

I implore you to please participate as a member of the FreeRepublic Forum.

21 posted on 07/16/2012 3:31:46 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: sr4402

tax collector and pagan are words in the passage. No implication is there.

Argument?? I dont have one.

Just sending out passages to inspire other believers. If possible awaken faith of non-believers ( that’s up to GOD).

But, arguements?? Can’t even say I have had any here since I have been here on this site. Discussions at best with certain people. But arguements? No.

Remember that JESUS said those words Tax collector or pagan in that passage, so, it would be HIM that you would be referring to as being deeply offensive.

Love to you and all people in the holy precious name of JESUS CHRIST who lives and reigns amongs us forever and ever.

GOD BLESS US ALL,


22 posted on 07/16/2012 4:43:18 PM PDT by jesus4life
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To: Eastbound

No worries my friend.

May you days and nights be full of blessings.

Have a great day as GOD already blesses every day.

GOD BLESS US ALL,


23 posted on 07/16/2012 4:45:54 PM PDT by jesus4life
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To: jesus4life
so, it would be HIM that you would be referring to as being deeply offensive.

Nope.

24 posted on 07/16/2012 4:52:49 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: sr4402; jesus4life
"The fact that God is three persons acting in unity is something that must be embraced by faith."

Just so I understand what you mean when you use the word, person, are you saying that God sees three of himself when he looks in the mirror or is that just metaphorically speaking?

Perhaps we can use jesus4life's reference to the Godhead as a point of departure here if you want to discuss it further.

The reason I brought it up to begin with was to select a part of jesus4life's scripture that isn't really all that clear to most folks and I believed I had something to offer as well, in that it's a body ministry.

25 posted on 07/16/2012 6:45:45 PM PDT by Eastbound (3-7-77)
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Eastbound,

We all have something to offer, as GOD gives us all a certain amount of gifts and wisdom that we can all learn from.

Yet we must be obedient in all things, as GOD has ordered, and is always watching.

As you have agreed below that what you were referring to was not mentioned by me ( and you apologized). So, it may be easier just to start your own topic, then, you would find the people who would want to have this discussion.

Or, you can stay here and continue. It’s your choice.

Tomorrow there will be a different passage and possibly different replies. I am only here because GOD wakes me up daily, I pray, then HE sends me passages to read, and GOD has me send them out on my phone, emails, and certain sites. What people want to discuss after is free for people to discuss or not discuss on the same post or make their own; it’s their choice. May we all respect their choices.

Normally if someone stays on topic, and obeys Matthew 18:15-17, I will have a conversation all day. As many here have had that experience with me. But, in obedience to Matthew 18:15-17, that’s the order in which I will give discuss/debate and give answers.

But first and foremost, I pray people seek GOD first, faith, prayer, and the WORD before they want to ask me any questions.

Love to you and all people in the holy precious name of Jesus Christ,

GOD BLESS US ALL,

Jesus4life


26 posted on 07/16/2012 11:05:21 PM PDT by jesus4life
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"Normally if someone stays on topic, and obeys Matthew 18:15-17, I will have a conversation all day. As many here have had that experience with me. But, in obedience to Matthew 18:15-17, that’s the order in which I will give discuss/debate and give answers."

It appears to me that you would rather play the role of pastor or prophet rather than just be one of the flock seeking answers or sharing information.

That being the case, don't you think your post would be better received if you posted it as a blog rather than under the religion category?

It's not my desire to follow some unified type church service which you apparently are aiming for here, with your requirement that we all read a specific portion of scripture before we begin to read the body of your original post.

Different rules for blogs than for general topics. You can specify the type responses you would like to receive from a blog post, because that's considered to be your own property, so to speak. Not so with the regular FR topics, including religion. So if you want to play the role of preacher and start a following, the blog would be the place to do it.

For your edification.

27 posted on 07/17/2012 1:43:31 AM PDT by Eastbound (3-7-77)
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To: jesus4life
"Normally if someone stays on topic, and obeys Matthew 18:15-17, I will have a conversation all day. As many here have had that experience with me. But, in obedience to Matthew 18:15-17, that’s the order in which I will give discuss/debate and give answers."

It appears to me that you would rather play the role of pastor or prophet rather than just be one of the flock seeking answers or sharing information.

That being the case, don't you think your post would be better received if you posted it as a blog rather than under the religion category?

It's not my desire to follow some unified type church service which you apparently are aiming for here, with your requirement that we all read a specific portion of scripture before we begin to read the body of your original post.

Different rules for blogs than for general topics. You can specify the type responses you would like to receive from a blog post, because that's considered to be your own property, so to speak. Not so with the regular FR topics, including religion. So if you want to play the role of preacher and start a following, the blog would be the place to do it.

For your edification.

28 posted on 07/17/2012 1:55:18 AM PDT by Eastbound (3-7-77)
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To: Eastbound

We are all in different levels of faith and understanding.

Pastor is JESUS
1 PETER 2:25:
For “you were like sheep going astray,” but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.

Prophets there are many, but I am just a messenger/friend of CHRIST as said in:

JOHN 15:15
15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.

All believers are ministers/messengers as it’s their duty to spread the WORD to others. Whether to one or many, we are all ministering in words or actions.

Matthew 18:15-17 is just a process JESUS says for us to follow, so, as a believer, I follow. When followed, it always works; when followed.

As far as the posting in a blog instead of this religious category?? The administrator came on here already and said that I was doing nothing wrong, and my posts were fine. That ended a debate people were trying to start with me and others about not liking the fact I am posting passages.

On that note, others came on and said to the people complaining to realize that if they dont like something, then just pass it by. Which is sound advice.

Honestly, there are many posts I see here that I am not into, but I just leave people to what they want to do. If you are not into the passages or the way in which the post is arranged, then you have a choice to move on to other posts or stay commenting on the post; it’s your choice. No human can please or satisfy everyone, as we are reminded in

PROVERBS 27:20:
20 Hell and Destruction are never full;
So the eyes of man are never satisfied.

I actually dont mind the responses/replies; definitely dont mind. I like conversation. Some are great, some are insulting, some are just people trying to cause problems, some are inspiring, and so on....whatever they are they are things to learn from in some way.

You perceive very wrongly about me, but only GOD knows an individual fully; so it’s expected. From reading responses and replies, people can only assume what a person is about. Assumptions are dangerous, because they are not facts, they are usually “fictitious facts “ of someone’s imaginations that fill spaces of what they dont understand about something or someone.

As I said before you can continue the discussion here or some where else. There is no where I said I wouldnt like to receive what you were thinking or saying. Never said I wouldnt answer questions or read what you are saying. I just said the process in which I would answer and discuss ( in obedience to JESUS CHRIST).

Please read carefully my responses and what I am saying on this matter, so that you dont assume and say things that I constantly dont think or say. It saves time and illeviates the need for apologies ( as you said an apology before when realizing you said something I did not say).

As far as a “ church” I am starting? Strange to hear that one, because in that case everyone here on this site and others is trying to start some kind of a church or trying to get people to join some kind of denomination. I haven’t promoted a church building I am a part of, haven’t glorified any denominations or put down any, havent’ said one church is better to go to than another, havent’ put down any other religions, and havent given places of references to contact me more than anyone else has which is FREEREPUBLIC mail.

Because everyone here has a side and an understanding they advertise, then if I am starting a “ church”, then that would go for everyone else as well.

GOD just wakes me up daily to send out bible passages; that’s all. There is nothing else into it.

My friend, just because I am not doing things the way you want, there is no need for a conversation of labeling ( as you say I am tryng to be a pastor or prophet and start a church). But if this is the route you want to go in order to get to something, then, that’s fine. We all can learn things from any where as we learn in:

1 CORINTHIANS 1:25-31:

25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26 For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.

27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty;

28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are,

29 that no flesh should glory in His presence.

30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption—

31 that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”

So, we can learn from anything, but, I pray this does not continue in this manner, because GOD is the only one to be praised.

love to you and all people in Jesus holy and precious name who lives and reigns forever and ever. Amen.

GOD BLESS US ALL,


29 posted on 07/17/2012 3:10:01 AM PDT by jesus4life
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To: jesus4life

Elvis has left the building.


30 posted on 07/17/2012 6:20:14 PM PDT by Eastbound (3-7-77)
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