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Orange Order parade in front of Catholic Church
BBC News ^ | 07/15/2012 | BBC

Posted on 07/15/2012 9:34:46 AM PDT by ConservativeTerrapin

Orange Order in Belfast celebrates the July 12 marches in front of a Catholic Church.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJo9mk4aQwg


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: belfast; catholic; ireland; orangeorder
Well, this won't help their cause.
1 posted on 07/15/2012 9:34:54 AM PDT by ConservativeTerrapin
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To: ConservativeTerrapin

Time for the green to serve some beatdowns!


2 posted on 07/15/2012 9:40:49 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: ConservativeTerrapin
Apparently quite a few Catholic-hating bigots in the English colony of Ulster want to bring back the “Troubles.”

Making the IRA look more respectable is all that the idiot bastards are doing.

3 posted on 07/15/2012 9:47:03 AM PDT by Happy Rain
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To: ConservativeTerrapin

Do these morons know the muslims are at the gate?


4 posted on 07/15/2012 9:49:13 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: ConservativeTerrapin
threatened him with a Sheleighleigh... they are just begging for it
5 posted on 07/15/2012 10:14:33 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: ConservativeTerrapin
Orange Order in Belfast celebrates the July 12 marches in front of a Catholic Church.

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

A JOHN KNOX lookalike is to welcome the Pope to Scotland. The actor has been hired by the Catholic Church to play the leader of Scotland's Protestant Reformation in a pageant of the country's historical figures. The 25 characters will parade in front of the pontiff's Popemobile on Princes Street, Edinburgh, during his visit in September. Knox's surprise inclusion by Catholic Church leaders follows accusations that this year's 450th anniversary of the Reformation is being ignored by the Scottish Government....

....Also depicted will be Mary Queen of Scots, Bonnie Prince Charlie, William Wallace, St Andrew, Robert the Bruce, Eric Liddell, St Ninian, St Margaret, St Columba and Alexander Fleming.

-- from the 2010 thread John Knox to be included in pageant during Pope's visit to Scotland


6 posted on 07/15/2012 12:34:24 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2898271/posts?page=119#119)
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To: ConservativeTerrapin

Tiocfaidh ár lá


7 posted on 07/15/2012 12:35:50 PM PDT by triSranch ( Home of J.C. Calhoun and the Birthplace and Deathbed of the Confederacy)
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To: Chode
threatened him with a Sheleighleigh...

"My name is Sheleighleigh and you better watch yo ass."

8 posted on 07/15/2012 2:25:34 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I miss Harriet Miers.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Yeah, gee, Alex we know there’s no difference between Catholics including a actor playing the part of a long-since-dead Protestant and hundreds or even thousands of scumbag bigot Protestants marching in celebration of their forefathers conquest and suppression of Ireland. Yeah, no difference at all.


9 posted on 07/15/2012 2:27:54 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Jeff Chandler
"My name is Sheleighleigh and you better watch yo ass."


10 posted on 07/15/2012 2:32:13 PM PDT by tpmintx (Problem: The people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who VOTE for a living.)
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To: vladimir998

How did Ireland become Catholic, Vlad? Did it just spring out of the ground like a leprechaun, fully formed? Seems I recall some difficulties in that regard, historically speaking. If you want to rely upon Patrick, be aware that I’m aware of failed efforts preceding him, rather gory for all involved.

This has far more to do with politics than religion. The two were rather thoroughly intertwined in the past with state churches, however that is no longer the case, though you may very well rue the day for all I know.

Aren’t you a monarchist, by the way?


11 posted on 07/15/2012 2:41:39 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Chode

shillelagh


12 posted on 07/15/2012 2:50:18 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: Bigg Red
see what the internets spell check gets me...
13 posted on 07/15/2012 3:35:55 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: RegulatorCountry

You wrote:

“How did Ireland become Catholic, Vlad?”

Christianity was brought to Ireland by Catholics.

“Did it just spring out of the ground like a leprechaun, fully formed?”

No, Christianity was brought to Ireland - by Catholics. Most historians agree that the earliest Irish Christians - travellers, merchants, mercenaries - were converted within the Roman Empire. They brought the faith back to Ireland. All of them were Catholic. Later, missionary bishops were sent to Ireland. All were Catholic.

“Seems I recall some difficulties in that regard, historically speaking.”

Historically speaking?

“If you want to rely upon Patrick, be aware that I’m aware of failed efforts preceding him, rather gory for all involved.”

I don’t think you’re nearly as aware as you claim. You might want to read some of the works of Patrick Wormald.

“This has far more to do with politics than religion.”

Protestants make that claim. It is just as easy to say it is “racial” as some people in Ireland claim.

“The two were rather thoroughly intertwined in the past with state churches, however that is no longer the case, though you may very well rue the day for all I know.”

I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. When exactly was the Presbyterian Kirk - the Protestants in question are Presbyterians - ever THE state church of Ireland??? Never happened (unless you’re counting the handful of years when Cromwell ruled). Again, I don’t think you know as much as you claim.

“Aren’t you a monarchist, by the way?”

If I am or not is irrelevant to this discussion.


14 posted on 07/15/2012 3:52:50 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: triSranch
Ná faoin riail na Gearmáinise.
15 posted on 07/15/2012 4:04:58 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: RegulatorCountry

Henry II of England converted the whole country of Ireland to Catholicism with the help of Dermot MacMurrough (deposed king of Leinster province, seen by nationalist Irish as a traitor) and Strongbow (the alias of Richard de Clare, Second Earl of Pembroke, a Norman lord who led the Norman invasions). Pope Alexander III gave assent to Henry II’s rule over Ireland following this.


16 posted on 07/15/2012 4:12:23 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Happy Rain
It’s not possible to make a Marxist terror organization look “more respectable”.

BTW, as far as the Orange Order goes, the king they are named after eliminated the absolute monarchy of James II/VII and re-established parliamentary democracy in its place; also, the 1689 Bill of Rights was passed by the subsequent parliament.
17 posted on 07/15/2012 4:20:36 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: EEGator

You mean the Marxists?


18 posted on 07/15/2012 4:22:09 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Wow. Even lily white Irish are "indigenous pipples" with their own Communist "army of national liberation."

When do we rednecks get one?

19 posted on 07/15/2012 4:28:13 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Olog-hai
Henry II of England converted the whole country of Ireland to Catholicism with the help of Dermot MacMurrough (deposed king of Leinster province, seen by nationalist Irish as a traitor) and Strongbow (the alias of Richard de Clare, Second Earl of Pembroke, a Norman lord who led the Norman invasions). Pope Alexander III gave assent to Henry II’s rule over Ireland following this.

Hey! How dare you destroy the mythology if an "indigenous pipple?"

20 posted on 07/15/2012 4:31:39 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Olog-hai

“if”=”of”


21 posted on 07/15/2012 4:32:48 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Would it upset them to know that there is no independence for either Ireland or England under the European Union and their “ever closer union” doctrine . . . ? They are one country again; they have been since 1973.


22 posted on 07/15/2012 4:34:12 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Would it upset them to know that there is no independence for either Ireland or England under the European Union and their “ever closer union” doctrine . . . ? They are one country again; they have been since 1973.

There has been no independent England since 1707. In fact, much more so than Scotland, Ireland, or Wales, England has been completely subsumed into the "United Kingdom." And since devolution it is the only "country" in the UK without its own parliament/assembly and therefore technically does not legally exist. England is in fact a giant federal district for the United Kingdom.

23 posted on 07/15/2012 4:38:21 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
James Connolly was an ardent communist. (He got the main train station in Dublin renamed after him.)

Hero Terrorist Bobby Sands had this to say about what kind of “republic” he wanted a so-called united Ireland to be:
I was only a working-class boy from a Nationalist ghetto, but it is repression that creates the revolutionary spirit of freedom. I shall not settle until I achieve liberation of my country, until Ireland becomes a sovereign, independent socialist republic.

24 posted on 07/15/2012 4:40:46 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Zionist Conspirator

The Westminster parliament has been traditionally known as the English parliament. Of course, under Cameron and the other “liberal conservatives”, it’s just an arm of the EU.


25 posted on 07/15/2012 4:42:33 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: EEGator

Marie Stopes (Planned Parenthood in GB) ought get into this business - selling weapons to each side, keeping the unfit population in check just the same as birth control and abortion.


26 posted on 07/15/2012 4:54:58 PM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: ConservativeTerrapin

“Orange Order in Belfast celebrates the July 12 marches in front of a Catholic Church.”

Ah, yes, and why not...it’s time for the 12th Fortnight, after all... :)

And this past Friday (the 13th) they held the reenactment of the Battle of the Boyne at Scarva, in County Down, a few miles south of Portadown on the Newry Canal. Funny, every year King Billie wins...


27 posted on 07/15/2012 5:14:45 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: ConservativeTerrapin

“Orange Order in Belfast celebrates the July 12 marches in front of a Catholic Church.”

Ah, yes, and why not...it’s time for the 12th Fortnight, after all... :)

And this past Friday (the 13th) they held the reenactment of the Battle of the Boyne at Scarva, in County Down, a few miles south of Portadown on the Newry Canal. Funny, every year King Billie wins...

King William, of Orange, btw, hence the name of the ‘Orange Order’. And his army was largely made up of German Catholic mercenaries. At Tipperary, after a long seige by Williams troops, it is said that the Catholic defenders behind the walls of the city, shouted to Williams troops, ‘Trade us Kings and we will fight you again!”


28 posted on 07/15/2012 5:32:24 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: ConservativeTerrapin

that’s O.K., they’re still wrong and the Catholics are still right....some things CANNOT change.


29 posted on 07/15/2012 5:34:55 PM PDT by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: Olog-hai

“...Terrorist Bobby Sands...”

Ah, yes, Bobby Sands. I lived in Portadown, Northern Ireland when he went on his hunger strike in the ‘Maze’ and after some weeks starved himself to death.

One of the engineers who worked for me there, a Catholic, knew Bobby Sands. We had an interesting discussion or two during the time of the hunger strikes.


30 posted on 07/15/2012 5:37:06 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Olog-hai
Hey the English invaders won—they murdered and starved enough Irish to conquer and claim a big chunk of Ireland to the North.

That's history—still there is no reason for the Orange Catholic-haters, Catholics who still live on THEIR land if under English occupation, to rub their noses in it every July.

It would be like the US Calvary parading and celebrating every year on an Indian reservation their “victory” at Wounded Knee.

31 posted on 07/15/2012 6:22:19 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("Obamacare like all Marxist fails, outlaws redress before increasing it's demand.")
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To: Olog-hai
The Westminster parliament has been traditionally known as the English parliament.

The Act of Union of 5/1/1707 abolished both the English and Scottish parliaments, replacing both with an All Union Parliament in London (capital of the Union, not of England, after that date).

32 posted on 07/15/2012 6:26:12 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Happy Rain
They’d still be druids if not for Henry II of England. The Irish didn’t come out of the box Catholic. Supporting the IRA is supporting Marxism, on top of that.

Besides, as I said, they’re already reunited under the aegis of the EU—Irish, English, Scottish, Welsh, Cornish, Manx and whatever other distinct ethnicities, all under one European overarching government with European law supreme over all of them. The Republic of Ireland had her independence for a mere twenty-four years, until de Valera signed it away via Ireland’s Third Amendment in 1972 and they joined what is now called the EU.
33 posted on 07/15/2012 6:32:37 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Alex Murphy
How dare you bring up anti-Protestant bigotry? You know it doesn't exist. /sarc


34 posted on 07/15/2012 6:36:16 PM PDT by Cinnamontea
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Why would German Catholic mercenaries fight on the side of a Protestant king, to help disestablish a Catholic monarch?


35 posted on 07/15/2012 6:41:34 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
"Henry II of England converted the whole country of Ireland to Catholicism with the help of Dermot MacMurrough....

You have your facts wrong. Ireland was completely Christian from the 5th century, although there were some regions that were temporarily pagan as a result of the Viking invasions. Ireland was Catholic for over 500 years before Henry II was even born.

Henry II sought and received permission to extend the Norman invasion to a then independent Ireland from the English Pope Adrian IV in 1155. The Norman Invasion of Ireland began in 1169 under Pope Alexander III and Maurice Fitzgerald. This was expanded a year later by a stronger force under Richard de Clare, 2nd Earl of Pembroke, in 1170, the year St. Thomas Beckett was martyred by the very folks you claim brought Catholicism to Ireland.

Peace be with you

36 posted on 07/15/2012 6:56:46 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Olog-hai

“...to help disestablish a Catholic monarch?”

First of all, James II was already disestablished by the British Parliment and nobility. He had fled to France, then came back, to Ireland, to stir the shit. Ireland was a part of Great Britain, or whatever it was called then.

Second, mercenaries are in it for the money. Religion has little to do with it.

Third, neither the English nor the Irish had no respect for James II.

I was in Ireland when Pope John Paul II visited and had a large gathering at Drogheda, Republic of Ireland, in the Boyne Valley. The crowd was hudreds of thousands. The wags then said, if there had been this many Catholics here in 1690 things might have been different. The fact is, that most of the troops on either side were ‘Catholic’.


37 posted on 07/15/2012 7:04:54 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Olog-hai
The Irish were Irish long before Archbishop Becket's Norman murderer became King and all Kings try to convert the conquered to their religion—especially one who had to kiss the Pope's butt in order to prevent his whole kingdom from being excommunicated.

That is beside the point—The Irish were Catholics when the new English protestants started their eight hundred year tradition of mass murder, mass starvation ubiquitous looting, and stealing land from the peasants then letting them live on it for “rent” and the hate for Catholicism gave them, in their bloodthirsty avarice addled minds, the excuse to reduce the population of the Emerald Isle over those centuries to that of the Middle Ages.

We did ill to the Indians but they should have been better armed and organized because conquests go to the strong so they had nobody to blame but themselves. We fried tens of thousands of Japanese in Hiroshima, that was war and it was a fast way to end the war and the Japs certainly had it coming...

So should we refurbish a couple of B-29s to buzz modern day Hiroshima each year to brag and taunt them about the nuclear massacre?

38 posted on 07/15/2012 7:08:15 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("Obamacare like all Marxist fails, outlaws redress before increasing it's demand.")
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
"And his [William's] army was largely made up of German Catholic mercenaries.

William's force was diverse, comprised largely of Dutch, German, French Huguenot and even Danish mercenaries, and although there may have been a few Catholics, there are no credible accounts of large numbers of either Catholics or Germans. In interesting note, although there is often mention of Finnish troops serving under William, there were none. One of the largest contingents serving under William were the Fynske, Lutheran mercenaries from the Fyn region of Denmark.

Peace be with you

39 posted on 07/15/2012 7:19:30 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law

“William’s force was diverse...”

Agreed. What also is true is that William was a staunch Calvinist, and sought to stop the Papal claim on Europe...The efforts to make all of Europe subserviant to the Pope. His wish was that all of Europe would get along, Protestant or Catholic.

It has been suggested that his deepest drive was to create a Europe in which was religious toleration, along with which would come a cessation of religious wars, a curbing of papal power, and a European citizenry which could live in quietness and peace. These ends he accomplished.


40 posted on 07/15/2012 7:33:07 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Happy Rain

Guess I ought to stay out of the Religion forum, eh? That’s the kind of propaganda I heard out of the public schools when I was in Leixlip. With all due respect, it’s tiresome and it’s the same kind of anti-Anglo-Saxon sentiment that the European Union is poisoned with.


41 posted on 07/15/2012 7:41:50 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Ireland is a socialist republic (though not completely free yet). Most of Europe is socialist, though Ireland managed it well in comparison (they didn’t stop reproducing to pay for it, as other European countries did, and their tax rates could still attract business and retain wealthy people).


42 posted on 07/15/2012 11:18:45 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2
The country that leads the European Union around by the nose is trying its utmost to coerce Ireland to raise its corporate tax rate as part of the push to “harmonize” taxes across the new “empire”. One may say all the ill things about the UK Parliament one wants, but the Irish PMs could indeed introduce legislation there and exert influence over the direction of the entire British Empire; not so in the European Union’s government where the European Parliament has no legislative power and instead acts as the European Commission’s rubber stamp (the appointed Commission has sole power to introduce bills and the authority to pass them—no separation of powers) . . . and Ireland surely has no politicians in the Bundestag/Bundesrat. Ireland has not been free since 1972, but the sheep seem to not have woken up to that fact yet.
43 posted on 07/16/2012 12:23:26 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Well, I suppose we Americans should thank the genocidal evils of the English anti-Catholic bigots—their callous cruelty forced a lot of great Irish to immigrate to these United States...

...my Dublin born paternal grandmother for one—oh,what a huge anglophile she was;)

44 posted on 07/16/2012 1:27:02 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Obamacare like all Marxist fails, outlaws redress before increasing it's demand.")
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To: Happy Rain
That was Irish on Irish cruelty. Remember that there was an Irish noble class as well. They exerted the same level of cruelty over their own no matter whether under human-sacrificing Druidism or either brand of organized Christianity. And it was their own will, too.

BTW, before the Irish named themselves and the island that the Romans called Hibernia after the false goddess Éire (aka Ériu, daughter of Mac Gréine or “son of the sun” in English—recognize the connection to Ba’al? whereas Éire was an earth goddess like Gaia), did you know that they called themselves by the name Britani . . . ?
45 posted on 07/16/2012 1:59:37 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Irish Nobility under English rule were treasonous collaborators and shameless toadies of the British “lords” who exported food from Ireland while millions starved on the streets--considered inconvenient “speed bumps” to the gilded English carriages collecting their “rents.”

You can't beat the Irish for grievances FRiend...but really, it doesn't matter now...my ancestors owned slaves in Virginia during the 17th and 18th Centuries and I don't bear any responsibility for it at all—people of their times judged through the ignorance of detached hindsight by their progeny cannot make them rest less easily in their graves.
The UK and Israel are America's most valued friends and allies and that is what counts- old historical grudges notwithstanding.

46 posted on 07/16/2012 2:58:51 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Obamacare like all Marxist fails, outlaws redress before increasing it's demand.")
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To: Olog-hai

You are right as rain..
Ba chóir na Stáit Aontaithe a ghlacadh Éirinn agus in Albain agus a dhéanamh leis.


47 posted on 07/16/2012 3:17:30 AM PDT by triSranch ( Home of J.C. Calhoun and the Birthplace and Deathbed of the Confederacy)
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To: Olog-hai

Ba chóir na Stáit Aontaithe a ghlacadh Éirinn agus in Albain agus a dhéanamh leis.


48 posted on 07/16/2012 3:18:39 AM PDT by triSranch ( Home of J.C. Calhoun and the Birthplace and Deathbed of the Confederacy)
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To: Olog-hai
"They exerted the same level of cruelty over their own no matter whether under human-sacrificing Druidism or either brand of organized Christianity."

Ireland maintained a Celtic legal system until the arrival of the Normans in which land and title belonged to a family forever. Fealty was pledged by a family or clan to which ever of the competing lords promised them the best deal.

This changed with the arrival of the Normans. the land was titled by the crown to whomever served their immediate interests best. The Irish have never completely accepted this and this has been the crux of the dispute for over 800 years.

49 posted on 07/16/2012 12:13:57 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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