Posted on 07/15/2012 9:34:46 AM PDT by ConservativeTerrapin
Orange Order in Belfast celebrates the July 12 marches in front of a Catholic Church.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJo9mk4aQwg
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Would it upset them to know that there is no independence for either Ireland or England under the European Union and their “ever closer union” doctrine . . . ? They are one country again; they have been since 1973.
There has been no independent England since 1707. In fact, much more so than Scotland, Ireland, or Wales, England has been completely subsumed into the "United Kingdom." And since devolution it is the only "country" in the UK without its own parliament/assembly and therefore technically does not legally exist. England is in fact a giant federal district for the United Kingdom.
I was only a working-class boy from a Nationalist ghetto, but it is repression that creates the revolutionary spirit of freedom. I shall not settle until I achieve liberation of my country, until Ireland becomes a sovereign, independent socialist republic.
The Westminster parliament has been traditionally known as the English parliament. Of course, under Cameron and the other “liberal conservatives”, it’s just an arm of the EU.
Marie Stopes (Planned Parenthood in GB) ought get into this business - selling weapons to each side, keeping the unfit population in check just the same as birth control and abortion.
“Orange Order in Belfast celebrates the July 12 marches in front of a Catholic Church.”
Ah, yes, and why not...it’s time for the 12th Fortnight, after all... :)
And this past Friday (the 13th) they held the reenactment of the Battle of the Boyne at Scarva, in County Down, a few miles south of Portadown on the Newry Canal. Funny, every year King Billie wins...
“Orange Order in Belfast celebrates the July 12 marches in front of a Catholic Church.”
Ah, yes, and why not...it’s time for the 12th Fortnight, after all... :)
And this past Friday (the 13th) they held the reenactment of the Battle of the Boyne at Scarva, in County Down, a few miles south of Portadown on the Newry Canal. Funny, every year King Billie wins...
King William, of Orange, btw, hence the name of the ‘Orange Order’. And his army was largely made up of German Catholic mercenaries. At Tipperary, after a long seige by Williams troops, it is said that the Catholic defenders behind the walls of the city, shouted to Williams troops, ‘Trade us Kings and we will fight you again!”
that’s O.K., they’re still wrong and the Catholics are still right....some things CANNOT change.
“...Terrorist Bobby Sands...”
Ah, yes, Bobby Sands. I lived in Portadown, Northern Ireland when he went on his hunger strike in the ‘Maze’ and after some weeks starved himself to death.
One of the engineers who worked for me there, a Catholic, knew Bobby Sands. We had an interesting discussion or two during the time of the hunger strikes.
That's history—still there is no reason for the Orange Catholic-haters, Catholics who still live on THEIR land if under English occupation, to rub their noses in it every July.
It would be like the US Calvary parading and celebrating every year on an Indian reservation their “victory” at Wounded Knee.
The Act of Union of 5/1/1707 abolished both the English and Scottish parliaments, replacing both with an All Union Parliament in London (capital of the Union, not of England, after that date).
Why would German Catholic mercenaries fight on the side of a Protestant king, to help disestablish a Catholic monarch?
You have your facts wrong. Ireland was completely Christian from the 5th century, although there were some regions that were temporarily pagan as a result of the Viking invasions. Ireland was Catholic for over 500 years before Henry II was even born.
Henry II sought and received permission to extend the Norman invasion to a then independent Ireland from the English Pope Adrian IV in 1155. The Norman Invasion of Ireland began in 1169 under Pope Alexander III and Maurice Fitzgerald. This was expanded a year later by a stronger force under Richard de Clare, 2nd Earl of Pembroke, in 1170, the year St. Thomas Beckett was martyred by the very folks you claim brought Catholicism to Ireland.
Peace be with you
“...to help disestablish a Catholic monarch?”
First of all, James II was already disestablished by the British Parliment and nobility. He had fled to France, then came back, to Ireland, to stir the shit. Ireland was a part of Great Britain, or whatever it was called then.
Second, mercenaries are in it for the money. Religion has little to do with it.
Third, neither the English nor the Irish had no respect for James II.
I was in Ireland when Pope John Paul II visited and had a large gathering at Drogheda, Republic of Ireland, in the Boyne Valley. The crowd was hudreds of thousands. The wags then said, if there had been this many Catholics here in 1690 things might have been different. The fact is, that most of the troops on either side were ‘Catholic’.
That is beside the point—The Irish were Catholics when the new English protestants started their eight hundred year tradition of mass murder, mass starvation ubiquitous looting, and stealing land from the peasants then letting them live on it for “rent” and the hate for Catholicism gave them, in their bloodthirsty avarice addled minds, the excuse to reduce the population of the Emerald Isle over those centuries to that of the Middle Ages.
We did ill to the Indians but they should have been better armed and organized because conquests go to the strong so they had nobody to blame but themselves. We fried tens of thousands of Japanese in Hiroshima, that was war and it was a fast way to end the war and the Japs certainly had it coming...
So should we refurbish a couple of B-29s to buzz modern day Hiroshima each year to brag and taunt them about the nuclear massacre?
William's force was diverse, comprised largely of Dutch, German, French Huguenot and even Danish mercenaries, and although there may have been a few Catholics, there are no credible accounts of large numbers of either Catholics or Germans. In interesting note, although there is often mention of Finnish troops serving under William, there were none. One of the largest contingents serving under William were the Fynske, Lutheran mercenaries from the Fyn region of Denmark.
Peace be with you
“William’s force was diverse...”
Agreed. What also is true is that William was a staunch Calvinist, and sought to stop the Papal claim on Europe...The efforts to make all of Europe subserviant to the Pope. His wish was that all of Europe would get along, Protestant or Catholic.
It has been suggested that his deepest drive was to create a Europe in which was religious toleration, along with which would come a cessation of religious wars, a curbing of papal power, and a European citizenry which could live in quietness and peace. These ends he accomplished.
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