Posted on 07/20/2012 8:34:15 AM PDT by NYer
There's no difference between them. None will go to Hell.
Izzat so? Prove it.
Their parents might, however!
Depending on the Judge, so might you and/or I.
As much as I disagree with the disingenuous approach, I will credit the SPPX with recognizing the first mark of the true church. To the above, we can add: Where there are bishops under the pope, there is the Church, even if one is dealing with a progressivist bishop. Remember, the 12 Apostles included a renegade who turned traitor.
As much as I disagree with the disingenuous approach, I will credit the SPPX with recognizing the first mark of the true church. To the above, we can add: Where there are bishops under the pope, there is the Church, even if one is dealing with a progressivist bishop. Remember, the 12 Apostles included a renegade who turned traitor.
It is one thing to recognize. It is quite another to separate from the Church on a spectacular basis. At that point, it isn't about the theology, it is about the individual ego.
It has been well pointed out upstream that if individuals were more concerned about the Church, they'd stay in it and contest the goings-on, rather than pull out and pout.
Again, I ask what separates Lefebvre from Luther, Zwingli and Calvin? They thought that they were the true Catholics...
I agree wholeheartedly. For that reason, I posted the comment. We’re on the same track ;-)
Again, I ask what separates Lefebvre from Luther, Zwingli and Calvin?Let' see, did Luther reject dogmatic teachings of the Church? Did he reject any of the Sacraments? Did Calvin? Zwingli? Well, yes. They all did. And how many of the Sacraments or dogmas of the Church have the SSPX rejected? Oh, none? Maybe there is a difference?
Remember, the 12 Apostles included a renegade who turned traitor.Indeed. So should we blindly follow the Modern Judas types who promote heresy, who deny actual dogmatic teachings of the Church and who fill seminaries with left wing queers? Read "Goodbye, Good Men" by Michael Rose if you doubt these things happen.
Then there is hope. The various traditionalist Catholics (Mel Gibson's father's bunch e.g.) also do not reject dogmatic teachings of the Church, or so we think. I'm not so sure about that bunch...
Very good. When individuals think that they know Catholicism better than the Magisterium, that way lies madness, or at least Protestantism.
Then there is hope.There is, and more, we are certain that the Gates of Hell will not prevail. The Eternal Church will be here, today and forever.The SSPX is a tiny part of a giant, eternal structure but they are not either the whole Church nor a "new" church.
“Izzat so? Prove it.”
So you’re one of the ones who don’t believe in Limbo of the Unborn? I’m not surprised.
So you’re one of the ones who don’t believe in Limbo of the Unborn? I’m not surprised.
Put up or shut up. Prove it. Prove it from Scripture and from the Church Fathers. But prove it. No more mealy mouthed mantras.
You pose your hypothetical question to me about the fate of unborn children. I answer your question honestly. And now you demand proof of my answer?
Back at you: Are you going to Heaven?
Put up or shut up. Prove it.
Check your catechism. I don’t have time to educate you.
Catechism of the Catholic Church Sections 1213-1284
Or is the Catechism too good for you?
It is not hypothetical. Your answer is not honest. And you have no proof of what you say. I notice that you have ducked the whole issue of 'knowledge of salvation'. Are you saved? If so, how do you know? You claim that all aborted children go to heaven. Prove it.
Back at you: Are you going to Heaven?
Only the Judge can say. I am not the Judge.
Gosh. Just when we were making quality time together.
Catechism of the Catholic Church Sections 1213-1284
\ Thank you for at least the indication that you have some knowledge of the Catechism. And the aborted babies fall within this section where?
Or is the Catechism too good for you?
It is a guide for my life. I do not presume to know Catholicism more than the writers or to define my own way according to my emotions, the state of my stomach, or whether my wife has bitched at me this morning over coffee.
I never said all aborted children go the heaven.
You asked me if aborted babies are damned to “eternal hellfire”? I said, “No”.
Big difference and you know it.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
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